Rumor: 2014/2015 Season Trade Rumours and Proposals VIII - The Road to Tradelemania

[since92]

We still have a interesting pieces that can be moved come the deadline or draft. Last year, Myers, Buffalo's centrepiece was borderline waiver material. Amazing what a year can do for value.

We have a bunch or winger prospects (Prince, Puempel, Paul) who should be competing for spots as early as next year or the year after. This will challenge the Stone's and Hoffman's currently in our line up and some will become available. They may not be top 3, but most project to be top 6. Packaged value should increase and we can hopefully pull off something Buffalo did today.

 

[Micklebot]

We are not keeping Methot unless he agrees to 4.5 or so per which he won't: look at Carolina, they are in a very similar position with Sekera and they are not going to pay him because they are smart about it. The Rangers paid Staal because they can afford to and because they are a great team that I think is contender worthy.

I'm done thinking this team is finally going to break through, we keep losing talent and important players. The players bought into their own hype going into this season and once it was clear they weren't living up to it things completely unravelled

This team and franchise would do good in accepting that they suck and stop trying to build themselves up to something they aren't. We currently suck and that's fine, we were great for a long time; but getting the younger players to buy into the baseless hype only creates this giant mess and hurts morale once reality hits.

We've been a 500 hockey team all year without Methot, then played 7 games with him before droping under 500 when Anderson got hurt.

I don't see us losing Methot, but if we do, we'll certainly go out looking for a replacement. We've bugeted his projected salary into the long term plans, so money shouldn't be an issue. I really can't see us trying to replace Methot internally.

I'm not saying we're a contender, but this years results aren't realistically indicative of how the team should be expected to perform, unless you think Methot will continue to miss 70% of every season. I suppose what I'm getting at is it's easy to surprise people when expectations are unrealistically low. Everyone that thought this team was a bubble team knew we had a small margin of error. I you told anyone we'd be losing Methot for 40 games, and Anderson now out 6 in a row and counting, you can pretty much bet they have us peg where we currently stand or lower.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

I doubt we keep Methot if he won't come down from Marc Staal money which is what he should be asking for if he wants to maximize his earnings

Carolina is rather similar to us: they are a much better team than their record indicates and were decimated by injuries and are looking a lot better since they got healthy.

Yet they have basically said they aren't going to pay Sekera Marc Staal money and that's the right move for teams on smaller budgets: very little margin of error means less appetite for risky contracts

I'm sure they'll try to replace him but I doubt it happens: we aren't getting a highly-sought after UFA and if we make a trade for a D then we will still be lacking the talent upfront to be a good team

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

I say we sell big time, it's worth it in this draft. Neil, Smtih, Legwand, Phillips and Michalek have no use on this team, it's not going anywhere anytime soon. I'd even be willing to trade Anderson if the right deal comes up, what's the point of having a goalie that's only going to steal games? Tank this year, next year we should suck again and we can pick up some really good pieces for the future, it's not like our core is getting old and running out of time.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Michalek helps us get to the floor

You can't just trade all your contracts for picks

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

Michalek helps us get to the floor

You can't just trade all your contracts for picks

Thanks bud I didn't know that. I was just listing off names that we could sell.

 

[SpezDispenser]

Wouldn't bother trading Michalek at this point. He's streaky as heck, but he's a third liner who we can use. Besides, he has no value.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

To who and for what

 

[Micklebot]

Michalek helps us get to the floor

You can't just trade all your contracts for picks

If we need to get to the floor, overpay someone that plays a key role, not a regressing bottom 6 guy that's becoming a defensive specialist. I like Michalek, but if we can get something of value for him, he's expendable.

I don't see how you can in one breath say we need to keep Michalek because he gets us to the cap floor, and then say a budget team needs to avoid overpaying (debatable) a key cog in Methot by ~1 mil a season. It's boderline lunacy.

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

If we need to get to the floor, overpay someone that plays a key role, not a regressing bottom 6 guy that's becoming a defensive specialist. I like Michalek, but if we can get something of value for him, he's expendable.

I don't see how you can in one breath say we need to keep Michalek because he gets us to the cap floor, and then say a budget team needs to avoid overpaying (debatable) a key cog in Methot by ~1 mil a season. It's boderline lunacy.

Thank you.


And also idk to who and for what dude, it's not my job.

 

[Xspyrit]

I don't expect any surprising result next year. I think this team will not be bubble team next year, but will be a bottom third team again.

I hope a new GM is brought in ASAP to clean out the old declining veterans (Phillips, Neil, Legwand, Michalek if anyone will take them) and bring in the new players that will gain experience and develop. Its past the time to rebuild (the current GM did not do a complete job of that), but rebuild is what is required to get the highly skilled prospects that this team requires to become a playoff team and a future Stanley Cup contender. Keeping old veterans who can no longer play a major role "on the ice" around is not the long term solution.

So what is the good way of rebuilding? Columbus? Oilers? Islanders? Sabres? Panthers? Canes? Avalanche?

2010-11 : Fisher, Kelly, Ruutu, Kovalev, Campoli
2011-12 : Kuba
2012-13 : Alfie-Gonchar
2013-14 : Spezza, Hemsky

That's all the vets let go in the last few years with only taking picks/prospects back or to free up some salary (except Chiasson in the Spezza deal)

Other facts to consider :

- Lowest payroll in the NHL (or about tied with Flames)
- Least amount of NHL games in experience
- 5th youngest team in age


Clearly, this team has been rebuilding since 2010-11, and it's astounding that some people still don't see it

We are not keeping Methot unless he agrees to 4.5 or so per which he won't: look at Carolina, they are in a very similar position with Sekera and they are not going to pay him because they are smart about it. The Rangers paid Staal because they can afford to and because they are a great team that I think is contender worthy.

I'm done thinking this team is finally going to break through, we keep losing talent and important players. The players bought into their own hype going into this season and once it was clear they weren't living up to it things completely unravelled

This team and franchise would do good in accepting that they suck and stop trying to build themselves up to something they aren't. We currently suck and that's fine, we were great for a long time; but getting the younger players to buy into the baseless hype only creates this giant mess and hurts morale once reality hits.

Just be smart and savvy about it, that's all. I never really listened to what is said in medias anyway, all I care is the pure info. The rest like opinions and quotes, I don't really care, it's sensationalism.

Ottawa is a small market team that can't afford to have a substantial drop in assistance. They need to sell hope. I pretty much knew it was 7th/8th or no playoffs this season. And since they are not making the playoffs this season, might as well draft as high as possible since this draft will be golden. It's a blessing in disguise. They are "tanking" well keeping games close and interesting.

Thing is they are not as "horrible" as some of the doom and gloom crowd around here pretend...

21-22-9, 77% (24/31) of those L were 1 goal games, (including games where we gave up an empty netter. I think there's one game we gave up 2)

And with a GF/GA differential of -3 on the season... Look at teams below them, they have differentials between -14 and -93

G/GP : 2.65 (0.06 goal away from the average 15th spot, that's 1 goal every 17 games)

GA/GP : 2.71 (0.11 goal away from the average 15th spot, that's 1 goal every 9 games)

5-5 F/A : 0.98 (0.09 goal away from the average 15th spot, that's 1 goal every 11 games)

PK is 11th at 83% and PP needs works (25th at 16.4%)

And they will probably get the opportunity to draft 8th overall, which will probably be a top-5 quality prospect in most years.

 

[bert]

Murray or the Next GM should be open for business now

Legwand, Michelak , Cowen, MacArthur ,Philips , Neil and Anderson

Cant see them moving MacArthur he was just extended close with Bobby and actually can contribute while working hard as a veteran presence he should have got the C.

With the amount of money and time invested in Cowen I don't think he is moving. Im sure they would move him if someone wanted to give something of value for him but that's not happening.

I don't like Lehners attitude at all, his sense of entitlement much like Cowens is a big part of his problem so I don't think moving a guy like Anderson is a good idea.

Everyone else can go.

I was really disappointed when Methot didn't step up on Ovechkin when he ran EK. I think they should re sign him but if someone offers a 1st plus they have to listen to the offer. Even though I think it would put the sens in the lottery next season too, which long term might be the best thing for the team.

I really hope this team can manage to get into the top 5 of the draft this year.

 

[God Says No]

If we need to get to the floor, overpay someone that plays a key role, not a regressing bottom 6 guy that's becoming a defensive specialist. I like Michalek, but if we can get something of value for him, he's expendable.

I don't see how you can in one breath say we need to keep Michalek because he gets us to the cap floor, and then say a budget team needs to avoid overpaying (debatable) a key cog in Methot by ~1 mil a season. It's boderline lunacy.

That's what I've been saying for a while. Instead of paying Michalek, we should have overpaid for a top 4 D.

 

[Icelevel]

Tim Murray mentioned that Kane was a guy they talked a lot about when he was AGM here.
Probably would have been a senator if Tim was still here.
As it is now, Buffalo is gaining on us. yeah slowly but they just started their engine.

 

[guyzeur]

Tim Murray mentioned that Kane was a guy they talked a lot about when he was AGM here.
Probably would have been a senator if Tim was still here.
As it is now, Buffalo is gaining on us. yeah slowly but they just started their engine.

Buffalo being that bad, it will be easier for them to gain on us

 

[h2]

I think Buffalo will be ahead after this next draft in terms of future outlook. Very nice core being built there.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

If we need to get to the floor, overpay someone that plays a key role, not a regressing bottom 6 guy that's becoming a defensive specialist. I like Michalek, but if we can get something of value for him, he's expendable.

I don't see how you can in one breath say we need to keep Michalek because he gets us to the cap floor, and then say a budget team needs to avoid overpaying (debatable) a key cog in Methot by ~1 mil a season. It's boderline lunacy.

I'm just saying that saying "we should trade Michalek" is an incomplete thought and doesn't say much

Also I'd overpay for Methot but I think that if Carolina isn't going to do it for Sekera we're not going to do for Methot. Having one borderline bad contract in Michalek means that having another compounds the pressure on the budget however, that's something worth considering. If we trade Michalek and get picks back then by all means, give MEthot 6 per

 

[mcnorth]

Don't overpay Methot, but keep Michalek to get to the floor...

"Asset management trophy" winners 2015... the Ottawa Senators!

Sheesh.

 

[ChocolateLeclaire]

Tim Murray mentioned that Kane was a guy they talked a lot about when he was AGM here.
Probably would have been a senator if Tim was still here.
As it is now, Buffalo is gaining on us. yeah slowly but they just started their engine.

This board lost their mind when we gave up what we did for Bobby Ryan, a much, MUCH better player than Evander Kane.

Can you imagine if we traded the haul that Tim did for a guy who will bolt in 3 years when he's had enough of the city of Buffalo?

Evander Kane is not some misunderstood angel. He's got more baggage tied to him than an airport terminal. To move the amount of pieces they did and downgrade their defense at the same time seems like such a backward move.

 

[Super Cake]

This board lost their mind when we gave up what we did for Bobby Ryan, a much, MUCH better player than Evander Kane.

Can you imagine if we traded the haul that Tim did for a guy who will bolt in 3 years when he's had enough of the city of Buffalo?

Evander Kane is not some misunderstood angel. He's got more baggage tied to him than an airport terminal. To move the amount of pieces they did and downgrade their defense at the same time seems like such a backward move.

Speaking of the Ryan trade, is it still too early to declare a winner of that trade?

 

[PeterSidorkiewicz]

We should like, trade guys and stuff and those trades should like make our team better.

 

[Micklebot]

We should like, trade guys and stuff and those trades should like make our team better.

Didn't you get the memo? We're tanking. We got to trade guys and stuff to make our team worse, then we can draft higher. That's why we all wanted Kane, he won't even play this year but the locker room drama he creates would have ensured us a top 5 pick.

 

[saskriders]

Michalek helps us get to the floor

You can't just trade all your contracts for picks

We could retain salary. That keeps us above the floor and raises the return price

 

[HispanicAtTheDisco]

Speaking of the Ryan trade, is it still too early to declare a winner of that trade?

Yes, we have to get an idea of what Ritchie can become before we pick a winner. Right this moment, I would say us because Bobby brings a lot to the table and the only one making an impact is Silfverberg due to Noesen's injuries and how Ritchie still has some development to gonthrough.

 

[Max Power]

This board lost their mind when we gave up what we did for Bobby Ryan, a much, MUCH better player than Evander Kane.

Can you imagine if we traded the haul that Tim did for a guy who will bolt in 3 years when he's had enough of the city of Buffalo?

Evander Kane is not some misunderstood angel. He's got more baggage tied to him than an airport terminal. To move the amount of pieces they did and downgrade their defense at the same time seems like such a backward move.

It took days for the city to recover from the riots
I thought most thought it was market value and were happy