Speculation: 2014-2015 Rumor Thread

[pinedak]

Flyers were offered MPS before in trade talks with Edmonton. They offered us 2 2nd rounders and MPS at the draft for Coburn and the Flyers said no. They wouldn't and shouldn't want anything to do with him.

Hey Blue fans, let's talk about Oshie

Philly needs not another centre nor RW trading for Oshie does little good for the flyers outside of win a few more shootouts.

 

[Psuhockey]

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I have been saying I want Methot for a while now. He is a player who is more dependable( as a player, not injury wise) than Coburn and could come in right around the same price or a little higher. There were rumors he was willing to go 5 years 25 million and if we move Coburn, MacDonald, Grossman, and Schenn or some of them, we can fit him in easily. The problem is who wants those players? Not too many people. I am hopeful Hextall can start transforming this defense but I have cautious optimistic.

I think Calgary could want Coburn. The temptation could be very big for Burke to makes moves to get into the playoffs if they remain in position at the deadline. I am not sure Coburn alone could get a 1st rd pick but I would add in Read too if necessary with Calgary adding something.

 

[Prongo]

I think Calgary could want Coburn. The temptation could be very big for Burke to makes moves to get into the playoffs if they remain in position at the deadline. I am not sure Coburn alone could get a 1st rd pick but I would add in Read too if necessary with Calgary adding something.

Hmm Read and Coburn to Calgary for a 1st rounder+Sven + 2nd rounder or something in 2016 might not be a bad deal for both sides. Calgary loves Read to, they were the other team he was considering before he ultimately signed with us. That also helps Calgary fans get over the fact that a move for Coburn is "short term" which is not what GM's would say. When you get a player for 18 months, that move is never looked upon as short term. I don't think Coburn would have a problem signing there either if the offer was fair.

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

I think Calgary could want Coburn. The temptation could be very big for Burke to makes moves to get into the playoffs if they remain in position at the deadline. I am not sure Coburn alone could get a 1st rd pick but I would add in Read too if necessary with Calgary adding something.

Coburn and Read for 1st, 3rd, Baertschi and maybe another prospect or later round pick? Not sure I would do that.

 

[FLYguy3911]

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I have been saying I want Methot for a while now. He is a player who is more dependable( as a player, not injury wise) than Coburn and could come in right around the same price or a little higher. There were rumors he was willing to go 5 years 25 million and if we move Coburn, MacDonald, Grossman, and Schenn or some of them, we can fit him in easily. The problem is who wants those players? Not too many people. I am hopeful Hextall can start transforming this defense but I have cautious optimistic.

That's the issue. If you can't move those guys, he becomes a bit redundant. Of course he would be the best on the bunch, but I don't see a fit if we can't move at least 2 of those guys.

 

[Prongo]

It might be a little too early for teams to think about trading their first rounder as well. I would say around January or the beginning of February where teams will start asking their head scouts whether it would be worth it to give up a pick in the mid to low 20 range for a guy like Coburn. Hopefully, with Burke in Calgary, we can get him or someone to bite.

 

[pinedak]

I think Calgary could want Coburn. The temptation could be very big for Burke to makes moves to get into the playoffs if they remain in position at the deadline. I am not sure Coburn alone could get a 1st rd pick but I would add in Read too if necessary with Calgary adding something.

Coby, Read, and 2016 2nd for 1st in 15 and Baertschi?

 

[Prongo]

Coby, Read, and 2016 2nd for 1st in 15 and Baertschi?

I am not adding anything on top of those two NHL players to acquire a first rounder. IMO I believe they have to add to their first rounder to get both of those guys. Beartschi is pretty much becoming a bust, I mentioned him in my other post but I am not so sure I would want him in a package. It just seems like he would be an option for them to move.

 

[Psuhockey]

It might be a little too early for teams to think about trading their first rounder as well. I would say around January or the beginning of February where teams will start asking their head scouts whether it would be worth it to give up a pick in the mid to low 20 range for a guy like Coburn. Hopefully, with Burke in Calgary, we can get him or someone to bite.

Calgary has a very good chance of dropping out of playoff position, Burke could have some fear of another Tyler Seguin disaster where Calgary would win the lottery and the Flyers get MacDavid. I would offer them a deal much like Buffalo and the Islanders did where they get to choose a 1st this year or next. So maybe in 2016 the Flyers could pick up Auston Matthews. I would say a 1st rd pick either 2015/2016 and a 2nd rd pick the opposite year of the 1st rounder plus a prospect for Read and Coburn.

 

[sobrien]

Coburn and Read for 1st, 3rd, Baertschi and maybe another prospect or later round pick? Not sure I would do that.

Really? I'd do that in a heartbeat. Especially if Calgary falls off like everyone is expecting, we could have 2 top-15 picks, maybe top 10....maybe packageable to #1 or 2 overall if we don't earn that ourselves

 

[FLYguy3911]

Really? I'd do that in a heartbeat. Especially if Calgary falls off like everyone is expecting, we could have 2 top-15 picks, maybe top 10....maybe packageable to #1 or 2 overall if we don't earn that ourselves

You would probably have to package Giroux or Voracek to get #1 or #2 this year.

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

Really? I'd do that in a heartbeat. Especially if Calgary falls off like everyone is expecting, we could have 2 top-15 picks, maybe top 10....maybe packageable to #1 or 2 overall if we don't earn that ourselves

Key word is could. We also could lose our best defenseman and one of our most consistent and responsible forwards for a guy that never makes the NHL on a regular basis and a guy that we know nothing about (whomever they take with the first). I'm not saying I wouldn't do it, I am just not sure.

 

[Psuhockey]

You would probably have to package Giroux or Voracek to get #1 or #2 this year.

Agreed. The highest anybody will be moving up to in this draft is 3rd overall.

 

[renberg]

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I have been saying I want Methot for a while now. He is a player who is more dependable( as a player, not injury wise) than Coburn and could come in right around the same price or a little higher. There were rumors he was willing to go 5 years 25 million and if we move Coburn, MacDonald, Grossman, and Schenn or some of them, we can fit him in easily. The problem is who wants those players? Not too many people. I am hopeful Hextall can start transforming this defense but I have cautious optimistic.

Methot has a bad back.

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

Agreed. The highest anybody will be moving up to in this draft is 3rd overall.

I don't know if it would happen, but would you trade every draft pick you have this year for 1 or 2? Not just the Flyers picks, but if you were any other team outside of the top 2 would you deal all 7 of your picks to get #1 or #2? Ricky Williams style?

 

[Psuhockey]

Methot has a bad back.

I know. That's why he can be had for a reasonable price. I don't view Methot as a long term fixture on the Flyers blueline but as a stable guy who can help puck moving prospects transition to the NHL while taking tough minutes.

 

[Prongo]

Methot has a bad back.

This year. If he comes back and shows he can play and play up to his potential he was before than I have no problem signing him. If not, then I stay away. Sekera is another option but he will be getting paid more than the Flyers would be comfortable with our loads already on defense.

 

[FLYguy3911]

I don't know if it would happen, but would you trade every draft pick you have this year for 1 or 2? Not just the Flyers picks, but if you were any other team outside of the top 2 would you deal all 7 of your picks to get #1 or #2? Ricky Williams style?

Yeah, but the team that has the pick wouldn't.

Think about the packages teams were coming up with to get Lindros, just to get an idea of how valuable that pick would be.

 

[Psuhockey]

I don't know if it would happen, but would you trade every draft pick you have this year for 1 or 2? Not just the Flyers picks, but if you were any other team outside of the top 2 would you deal all 7 of your picks to get #1 or #2? Ricky Williams style?

I wouldn't personally but I think other teams would in a heartbeat. I doubt any of the top 2 pick teams would except a trade since a #1 scoring center is one of the hardest things to find.

I wouldn't because as crazy as it sounds, I am more intrigued by Hanifin and even Werenski than those two centers. I want the Flyers to win a Stanley Cup and not just one but multiple ones. If you look at the last 20 Stanley Cup champions, 16 had hall of fame level defenseman. There have been 5 teams to repeat as champions in the last 20 and 4 of the 5 drafted their hall of fame level defender (Colorado is the only repeater who didn't have a HOF level defender their 1st cup and traded for two their 2nd cup).

In reverse I would do the trade if I had the 1 of the top 2 picks to drop down to 3 maybe 4 depending on how Werenski continues to look. The ransom in picks and prospects would be huge much like the Eric Lindros trade. Eric Lindros's draft in 1991 is the perfect example of my thinking: Eric Lindros 1st overall (no cups), Scott Niedermayer 3rd (4 cups, 3 with the team that drafted him). The 2008 draft is another great example as Stamkos 1st overall, no cups, and Doughty 2 overall with 2 cups so far. Stamkos's Tampa Bay team has only been in the playoffs 2 times since he has been drafted.

 

[BringBackHakstol]

I don't know if it would happen, but would you trade every draft pick you have this year for 1 or 2? Not just the Flyers picks, but if you were any other team outside of the top 2 would you deal all 7 of your picks to get #1 or #2? Ricky Williams style?

In football later round picks are a lot more valuable than in hockey.

That wouldn't be worth it at all for the team with the #1 or #2 this year

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

In football later round picks are a lot more valuable than in hockey.

That wouldn't be worth it at all for the team with the #1 or #2 this year

Yeah it is kind of an apples to oranges thing.

EDIT: What if in fantasy world you had like two picks each in the first three rounds, would you do it then?

 

[sobrien]

You would probably have to package Giroux or Voracek to get #1 or #2 this year.

True. That's a little rich for my blood

 

[FLYguy3911]

I wouldn't personally but I think other teams would in a heartbeat. I doubt any of the top 2 pick teams would except a trade since a #1 scoring center is one of the hardest things to find.

I wouldn't because as crazy as it sounds, I am more intrigued by Hanifin and even Werenski than those two centers. I want the Flyers to win a Stanley Cup and not just one but multiple ones. If you look at the last 20 Stanley Cup champions, 16 had hall of fame level defenseman. There have been 5 teams to repeat as champions in the last 20 and 4 of the 5 drafted their hall of fame level defender (Colorado is the only repeater who didn't have a HOF level defender their 1st cup and traded for two their 2nd cup).

In reverse I would do the trade if I had the 1 of the top 2 picks to drop down to 3 maybe 4 depending on how Werenski continues to look. The ransom in picks and prospects would be huge much like the Eric Lindros trade. Eric Lindros's draft in 1991 is the perfect example of my thinking: Eric Lindros 1st overall (no cups), Scott Niedermayer 3rd (4 cups, 3 with the team that drafted him). The 2008 draft is another great example as Stamkos 1st overall, no cups, and Doughty 2 overall with 2 cups so far. Stamkos's Tampa Bay team has only been in the playoffs 2 times since he has been drafted.

You do that. I'll gladly take McDavid or Eichel.

 

[flyershockey]

Yeah it is kind of an apples to oranges thing.

EDIT: What if in fantasy world you had like two picks each in the first three rounds, would you do it then?

Probably not. It's a quantity for quality type of trade where the quantity is completely unknown. McDavid and Eichel are the type of players that can turn a franchise into a winner down the road. Button always overhypes draft eligible players, but he's said that he thinks these are the two best prospects since Crosby.

 

[Curufinwe]

This year.

Bad backs linger.