Speculation: 2014 - 2015 New York Rangers :: Roster Building / Proposal Thread Part XV

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Anyway, AV wants him back, Sather wants him back, and I honestly believe Zucc wants to stay, can't see how they dont get something done.

 

[Raspewtin]

I actually did say my opinion isn't that valuable to a discussion about Girardi. I realize that its not because Girardi is my favorite Ranger. I'm not objective about him, but I have seen that most of HFNYR seems to think he's had a good season.

Not thinking the same as the HFNYR groupthink ≠ not having a valuable opinion (this goes for both of us).

Huh? I'm just saying there are certain players that don't ever have good advanced stats, but are generally considered good players. Glass isn't a good player by the eye test or the advanced stats.

This goes back to my point of people buying more into possession metrics when they match directly what they see, and that's the problem. We can all see what a garbage player Tanner Glass is, and his stats reflect that, but what about all of those players that make mistakes that you don't remember? The point of these metrics is to keep track of everything you might miss in a game. If people were actually capable of making concrete and close to infailable judgements from just their memories and highlights, there would be no reason for non-traditional stats to exist.

And, actually, I can't think of many awful possession players that are highly regarded.

I'm also not saying value their opinion more than yours, but I think what the majority believes is likely closer to the truth, so when the majority thinks Girardi has had a good season, thats closer to reality.

Why is the majority closer to the truth? I don't give a **** about the majority and you shouldn't either. The majority of this website hated drafting Stepan over 4 other busts. The majority having a common belief doesn't ever make it true, or more credible. If his were true, we'd still think the Earth is flat.

 

[Raspewtin]

Throwing Brassard's value at the center position out the window in a comparison of Zuccarello and Brassard and their monetary value is whats irrelevant to the discussion. Think of my last post as a jab at your overall ignorance to the defensive side of the puck.

Yeah, that's EXACTLY what I did .

You used a hypothetical situation (Zuccarello playing center) and made the faulty assumption that he'd falter doing it. This is based on nothing at all, and will probably never happen, yet this is supposed to be a credible point from your side of the coin.

I obviously hate defense because I want to keep the better defensive player. Obviously.

 

[Tawnos]

If it were just one player I perceived as good that possession metrics disagreed with, then I'd be more on board with them. The problem is that, for example, last season possession metrics differed with my evaluation of 4 of the 6 defensemen the Rangers had. That's not good. And I know enough about the game that I don't think there's room for adjustment on that large of a scale. Looking at other team's D, I get the sense that it would be the same on a lot of them although admittedly I don't watch them nearly enough to form a solid opinion.

Forwards is a different story. I only have one dispute about forwards that I don't want to delve into here again.

 

[KOVALEV022473]

So he THINKS he's wants more than 5M a year... that's all this is.. his opinion.. nothing from Zucc here.

That's what it sounds like to me, speculation.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

With the wingers, it should come down to who's willing to sign the best contract given their production.

We aren't in desperate need to keep Zucc, MSL or Hagelin. All three are good players, but can be replaced. If Buchnevich, Duclair and Miller progress like they should, Zucc and Hagelin are third line wingers a few years from now and MSL would be as well, although he'll likely be retired by that point.

I'd frankly be perfectly fine letting MSL and Zucc both walk in the off-season. I'd be fine starting the season with Kreider, Nash, Duclair, Miller, Hagelin and some free agent on a cheap one or two year contract. If Buchnevich progresses like he should, maybe we can trade Hagelin at some point.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

MSL will be the cheapest to resign IMO by a lot.. I honestly think he's going to sign for a pretty damn cheap deal, just my opinion.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

That's what it sounds like to me, speculation.

Yup, same way they were reporting that "Marc Staal will be looking for between 6-6.5 mil per"

It's speculation based on what they could see him getting and being worth.

MSL will be the cheapest to resign IMO by a lot.. I honestly think he's going to sign for a pretty damn cheap deal, just my opinion.

Agreed. Could see him signing between 2-3 mil per. Maybe we could get him to drop down to 2 if we give him 2 years? 4m total for 2 years.

It'd be easier to convince him to take less if Glass wasn't making 1.45 a season.

I'd like Sather to give him the Rangers sell. Living at home and being a fan favorite and stuff. About him basically having a job for life if we wants. It seems they take care of former fan favorites and star players, I wouldn't be surprised if a ton of them are on the payroll in some capacity. Even if he only plays another year or two, he's a fan favorite.

And if we can get him under a 3m caphit, he's absolutely worth it. Even with his slumps this season he's on pace for 50+ points.


I love hags and he is so important to the team, but it wouldn't surprise me if management thinks his role could be filled by Duclair.

 

[TheDirtyH]

Can somebody explain to me how the Rangers can be giving up below league average attempts in the most dangerous areas of the ice at 5 on 5, except when all defensemen not named Boyle and Moore are on the ice, in which case we are above average?

That would mean that despite over two thirds of es ice time giving up a higher number of attempts, overall we give up few. It doesn't add up to me.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

When is Stepan a UFA.. is it possible that we could not play "hardball" with him but come to an agreement where he helps us out next year and he gets the money from Boyle's deal expiring the following year?

 

[The Gloaming]

When is Stepan a UFA.. is it possible that we could not play "hardball" with him but come to an agreement where he helps us out next year and he gets the money from Boyle's deal expiring the following year?

I'd rather lock him up long term yesterday than risk losing him for nothing.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I'd rather lock him up long term yesterday than risk losing him for nothing.

which is why I'm wondering how many RFA years he has left.

 

[The Gloaming]

which is why I'm wondering how many RFA years he has left.

Summoning RangerBoy.

I also don't want to risk "angering" him by trying to underpay him. Show him that he's an important part of this team now rather than later.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Summoning RangerBoy.

I also don't want to risk "angering" him by trying to underpay him. Show him that he's an important part of this team now rather than later.

yeah, not intended to anger him.. a gentleman's agreement where we say look we're up close to the cap with many decisions to make, how about we pay you next year, etc. something like that.

 

[TheTakedown]

which is why I'm wondering how many RFA years he has left.

he has this year (14-15) and next (15-16), then he is a UFA--but he has arbitration rights in both of those years, so we'd most likely be raked over the coals with the number the arbitrator gives us...

You'd be better off just offering what he is worth. He's a staple to this team, and the stats show how bad we are when he is not around/

 

[The Gloaming]

yeah, not intended to anger him.. a gentleman's agreement where we say look we're up close to the cap with many decisions to make, how about we pay you next year, etc. something like that.

Azaloum makes a good point about arbitration. The arbitrator will no doubt value him at 6 million or so as his current yearly worth. Really won't save that much overall.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

he has this year (14-15) and next (15-16), then he is a UFA--but he has arbitration rights in both of those years, so we'd most likely be raked over the coals with the number the arbitrator gives us...

You'd be better off just offering what he is worth. He's a staple to this team, and the stats show how bad we are when he is not around/

forgot about the whole arbitration thing.. yeah just sign him.. He's the most important player to sign period.

 

[haohmaru]

he has this year (14-15) and next (15-16), then he is a UFA--but he has arbitration rights in both of those years, so we'd most likely be raked over the coals with the number the arbitrator gives us...

You'd be better off just offering what he is worth. He's a staple to this team, and the stats show how bad we are when he is not around/

Active career leading scorer in the playoffs for the NYR, believe it or not.

 

[Doctyl]

Active career leading scorer in the playoffs for the NYR, believe it or not.

Is he really? That kind of shocked me. I knew he was 1st in goals, assists and points for the rangers since his debut.

 

[haohmaru]

Is he really? That kind of shocked me. I knew he was 1st in goals, assists and points for the rangers since his debut.

29 points.

2nd is probably just as surprising: Brad Richards (28)

 

[bobbop]

St. Louis can sign a $1MM contract with incentives that pay out the next year. I don't think the Rangers want to make a habit of doing this but buying time seems to be the best way to manage the unpredictable cap.