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With how much money we spend on our offense, it should definitely be higher than 16th in the league in G/G. 22nd in ES G/G.
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With how much money we spend on our offense, it should definitely be higher than 16th in the league in G/G. 22nd in ES G/G.
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This I agree with. Giving them one chance to set something up isn't going to allow them to succeed. Look at how many chances the PP1 uses before they score, maybe. 2, 3, 4 times the other team will clear the puck and we'll have to go retrieve it. PP2 gets 1.
What blows my mind is when PP2 gets the puck, gets a good opportunity, goalie freezes it, then PP1 comes right back out for the offensive zone faceoff.
says every single fourth line player everywhere. i know what you're saying and i know how everyone feels about the kids they think are being mistreated for some reason, but Yeo's stance isn't ludicrous.
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I'm okay with where this team is at given the circumstances of this season, I'm still capable of having a positive outlook on things, which you seem to drastically struggle with.
Considering we have a ****ing 19-3-1 record when we have a SV% that is at the league average or better, yeah, I think we'd be a pretty damn good team.
Yep, the powerhouse of the Bryz/Kuemper tandem carried this team to the playoffs, not the defensive structure that helps even guys like Curry play well for us. This team all around played well last year, the goaltending didn't carry us, they played well, see how that works out?
Hell man, look at how you describe our last two years. "Barely got out of the 1st round," yeah against the ****ing team that was 1st in the Central, where we were the better team in roughly 6 of the games. Then against Chicago. that game could have gone either way
Yeo's job has been in question by pessimistic fans on a hockey forum, he got a 3 year extension over the off-season. He's staying.
Did you expect Parise and Suter to come in here and turn this team instantly into cup contenders? Maybe your pessimism is the product of your unreasonable high hopes.
The Wild are a team where UFAs and unsigned players want to play. This team has made great strides these last couple years.
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But there's a huge difference between playing on the fourth line for 9 minutes a night getting to prove yourself, and a PP unit getting 30 seconds of a PP to try and score.
The expectations are different. Not to mention 9>>>>.5
If that fourth liner has one shift where he mishandles the puck or doesn't make the right play, he still has quite a few more to get it right.
If that PP unit makes one mistake, that's the only play they could get for a whole game.
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No. I'd say most 4th liners understand their limitations and wouldn't say the same thing.
I really didn't have a problem with anything until he said what he said. To me, it shows a clear disconnect from any type of logical thinking. "I want to see more production from a group that almost always gets put into an unproducible (sp?) situation". Makes no sense.
you're sort of proving the logic of Yeo's stance though. there are finite PP minutes to hand out, and they're generally considered vital minutes. Are you going to use them to "give someone a chance" or give them to the guys who have proved more? again, everyone had a point and i was on board when the points weren't coming--change it up. if we're way ahead, the PP minutes shift accordingly IIRC. But at this stage in the season it's imprudent, without evidence and against the fact that what you're doing is working, to risk those minutes when games are close or we're behind.
it's what he said about Zucker, on the fourth line and last year when he got sent down. it makes every bit of sense. everyone here is acting like he just came out and started complaining about the 2nd unit instead of just fielding a question. if a fourth liner starts producing, he'll get more minutes. carter, fontaine, etc. obviously there's little chance Bickel is going to throw up huge numbers but you can bet if he has three games in a row where he makes a significant positive impact he's going to get to play more.
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Given the circumstances of the season? With how much money is invested in this team, and what the expectations were coming in, you being okay with sitting in the bottom 10 teams in the league is significantly more stupid than me not being ok with it.
Two things here:
1) We had Vezina caliber goaltending from Harding, and pretty good goaltending from Kuemper last year. Without a doubt, Harding was a major reason we finished as high as we did.
2) But if our team is SO good, as to make the powerhouse tandem of Bryz and Kuemper, and even Curry, acceptable goaltenders, then why isn't it doing it again this year?
Yeah, and everyone knew Colorado overachieved last year, and look at where they are this year. We may have outplayed them those games, but we still didn't get the W's. That's a problem in and of itself.
Mike Russo has fielded speculations at least three out of the four years questioning Yeo's job. He's done blogs and interviews about it. Other sources not connected to the Wild have had their speculation on it as well in at least two of the four years. It's not just "pessimistic fans on a hockey forum".
Absolutely not what I expected. Seems to be what a lot of OPTIMISTIC FANS ON A HOCKEY FORUM expected though.
mike russo was pandering. Yeo's job wasn't in peril at any point.
i would agree our offense was expected to be better. I'd say much better. we actually looked like we were going that route at the beginning of the year. the ****** goaltending has a trickle down effect though, in that it leaves guys feeling less free to take chances.
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I don't know what Yeo's expectations are of the PP2. I full understand and support him not gifting time to them, but the fact that he came out and said he needed to see more from them, while putting them in a situation where they're far more likely to fail, just seems... I can't even think of a proper word here.
I just don't know what he thinks he needs to see. Is it 2 shots? Is it a goal? Is it a goal that actually counts for 2 goals because the goalie scored it? I don't know. It just doesn't seem like he's going to play the PP2 unless, like you said, we're way up in a game. Even if we're 1/3 on the PP, and PP2 scored that goal, it still seems like he's just going to roll PP1 if the game is still close.
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To be fair, I didn't say his job was in peril, I said his jobs been questioned. Yes, questioned means only by people in the media or by fans, but good successful coaches never have their job questioned if the team is meeting expectations.
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Oh ya know, let's just have our Top 4 play in about 4 of the 30 games because of injuries and illnesses. Let's be the team that was very severely affected by the Mumps outbreak, as much as any other team. Let's have our #1 goalie going into the season, kick the wall, break his foot, and be forced to start someone we were going to initially play in the AHL. Let's have a league worse Team SV%, while allowing the fewest shots per game. I'm not okay with sitting in the bottom 10, but I know this team isn't a bottom 10 team because of what they've done in the past and being able to objectively look at what's occurred this season and not completely jump ship.
Vezina caliber goaltending up until what? Late December?
Why isn't it doing it again this year? Well, I don't know, because our goalies have a league worst Team SV%? That might be it. Or the fact that the team has to take chances because they know they need to score 4-5 goals a game to win because Kuemper is a headcase who can only stop 1 or 2 shots before letting in a easy goal and then start tail-spinning.
Still doesn't live up to your argument that we "barely" made it out of a series that was against the Central leader that year. We were the better team in that series and we ended up on top. Who cares how they're playing this year? They were able to beat out St. Louis and Chicago for the top spot.
Yeah, but we can speculate all the hell we want. The guy with the power is Fletcher, and he believes in Yeo so much so that he gave him a 3 year extension despite all of this talk of his job "being in question" for 3 of 4 years.
Optimism =/= Having High Hopes
It's being able to look at things from a positive viewpoint, even during negative situations. No team, regardless of the coaches, would be in a much better place this year if they had to deal with everything we've dealt with.
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I think it's ridiculous that Mike Yeo is calling out the 2nd PP unit when the team is 25th in PP% and the 1st unit gets on average 2-3 times as much ice time per game.
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Again, injuries and illnesses happen, they are not excuses for a team built like this to be a bottom 10 team in the league.
Harding played 2 games after returning from a Foot injury, before he went out with an MS break, which has kept him out since. Relying on him was a bad idea.
Kuemper was not initially going to start in the AHL. The reason he held out on contract negotiations was to get a one-way so he could start in the NHL. We gave him that.
Just because I'm expressing criticism on the current state of the team, doesn't mean I can't see a brighter future. Just because I see a brighter future doesn't mean I can't be extremely dissatisfied with how they've performed this year.
This is the 2014-2015 Wild Discussion thread, where we discuss the team that's playing this year. You don't want to see posts with negative thoughts? Go create your own thread for the bright, happy, cheery Wild of 2016 and beyond.
Harding played 2 games after returning from a Foot injury, before he went out with an MS break, which has kept him out since. Relying on him was a bad idea.
Kuemper was not initially going to start in the AHL. The reason he held out on contract negotiations was to get a one-way so he could start in the NHL. We gave him that.
Just because I'm expressing criticism on the current state of the team, doesn't mean I can't see a brighter future. Just because I see a brighter future doesn't mean I can't be extremely dissatisfied with how they've performed this year.
This is the 2014-2015 Wild Discussion thread, where we discuss the team that's playing this year. You don't want to see posts with negative thoughts? Go create your own thread for the bright, happy, cheery Wild of 2016 and beyond.
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It's the discussion of the team. It doesn't need to be specific to this year, we can talk about the future of the team, as well. Harding might have been able to get us to December again, the fact of the matter is, NO TEAM is going to be in a playoff position with sub .900 Team SV%.
Injuries and illnesses happen, but you're not going to be a successful team if you're letting in 3-4 goals a game because of shoddy goaltending.
The centers are underperforming, but the young players have taken a step up, and the Wild have 7 of 10 points in their last 5 games. .700 the rest of the way is undoubtedly getting us a playoff spot, so while I'm not satisfied with being a bottom 10 team, I have a pretty good feeling this team isn't anywhere near being a bottom 10 team and they're going to have a strong rebound and push for the playoffs THIS year.
You don't want to get retorted when you post something negative (which is pretty much everything you post)? Then don't reply to posts that are trying to look for bright spots in this ****** start to a season.
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It's not like our expansion brethren are doing much better. Columbus has never won a playoff series, and their drafting hasn't been lights out either. Hell, Atalnta lost their entire team.
Nashville has probably been the best, but they also have a 2 year head start. Even with that, they've never won a division or made it to a conference final.
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They also have the two best centers in the game and a solid starter in net.
So color me not surprised.
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