Salary Cap: 2014-15 Roster-building Thread VII | All UFA/trade talk, speculation here

[Jules Winnfield]

So no to Pouliot/Harrington - players who've proven nothing at the NHL level... but yes to Despres, someone who's proven he can play here, and look good doing it, who's still young, and easily has top 4 potential.

I can see saying no to Pouliot (I don't want to move him at all for almost anything) due to his unique skillset within the org. But Harrington? I'd move him in a heartbeat if it brought back a young winger with upside.

If the cap isn't going up next year, our first two options should be moving Martin and Scuds or at the very least one of them. We've got young D out the ass beating the door down with Harrington, Dumoulin, and Pouliot. Not to mention, with Maatta back in the lineup we have no room for Borts except the box.

Harrington would be a tough chip to lose. He's a noted leader for a younger guy. He's in that mold of Maatta in that you can throw him in any situation and trust him on the ice. Pouliot has more natural talent and high end capability but I won't be surprised if Harrington has just as much impact on the game or more than DP.

If JR is willing to deal Martin to a contender I think he can get a solid young wing prospect back. The issue is we still need depth in the top 6 to play for us this year. There aren't too many young guys in the league we can acquire that can walk in and play in our top 6 to help us out this year.

 

[Gurglesons]

Ha...I hate you for making me dream of Simmonds and Voracek on our roster right now.

I'd really hate to see Letang on the Flyers though. Coburn - Letang would be a killer pairing and Letang is pretty much the only thing they've needed since they lost Pronger.

 

[Jules Winnfield]

Yea, Letang at peak value would have and could have been the dynamic shift the team needed.

I can see where a GM would be torn about that at the time. It's easy for us to say this now but at the time, Letang was the most dynamic D in the league that year. If he played the entire year, he wins the Norris.

Letang at that time probably could've pulled in some insane deals. Regardless of what some of the fans on the main board think, Letang can pull some major talent in a deal if we traded him.

 

[Winger for Hire]

I'd really hate to see Letang on the Flyers though. Coburn - Letang would be a killer pairing and Letang is pretty much the only thing they've needed since they lost Pronger.

Kunitz-Crosby-Voracek, Simmonds-Malkin-Neal would have made it completely worth is though.

 

[66-30-33]

A Philadelphia writer (forget who, not that even one of them is reliable) claimed there was a deal lined up to move Letang for Voracek AND Simmonds around the time of his contract extension.

Would have been a Hell of a trade, if true, (Kunitz-Crosby-Voracek, Simmonds-Malkin-Neal) but we'll never know if it was bull**** or not, unless Shero or Holmgren write a memoir someday (doubtful).

Never would happen now, but at the time, Letang was a Norris runner-up, Simmonds was a one-off overachiever, Voracek was perhaps perceived to be a leech and Schenn was supposed to be the next big thing (instead of the afterthought in a Richards for Simmonds deal, which is how that trade will be remembered), so it would have made at least a degree of sense for the Flyers. None of those perceptions really match two years out.

Kunitz-Crosby-Hornqvist
Simmonds-Malkin-Voracek
BB-Sutter-Dupuis

 

[Tender Rip]

I'd really hate to see Letang on the Flyers though. Coburn - Letang would be a killer pairing and Letang is pretty much the only thing they've needed since they lost Pronger.

If you can manufacture even the slightest dismay at the notion of a Letang for Voracek and Simmonds trade, we are even further apart on virtually every issue than I thought .

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

A Philadelphia writer (forget who, not that even one of them is reliable) claimed there was a deal lined up to move Letang for Voracek AND Simmonds around the time of his contract extension.

Would have been a Hell of a trade, if true, (Kunitz-Crosby-Voracek, Simmonds-Malkin-Neal) but we'll never know if it was bull**** or not, unless Shero or Holmgren write a memoir someday (doubtful).

Never would happen now, but at the time, Letang was a Norris runner-up, Simmonds was a one-off overachiever, Voracek was perhaps perceived to be a leech and Schenn was supposed to be the next big thing (instead of the afterthought in a Richards for Simmonds deal, which is how that trade will be remembered), so it would have made at least a degree of sense for the Flyers. None of those perceptions really match two years out.

Well that is depressing.

 

[NeedleInTheHay]

I can't buy the flyers and pens making a major deal like that. They've made like 1 trade in the past 15+ years when they traded that psycho Tibbets their way.

 

[Gurglesons]

If you can manufacture even the slightest dismay at the notion of a Letang for Voracek and Simmonds trade, we are even further apart on virtually every issue than I thought .

I love Simmonds, have since he has been a King. Voracek is nice, but he seems like one of those players that excels on bad teams. Can't wait until he drops off this year so I can stop hearing about how he is just as good as Crosby.

What would've been nice is swinging a Simmonds / Toffoli deal from the Kings. We need size in our top six, not fancy Euros.

 

[Jules Winnfield]

I can't buy the flyers and pens making a major deal like that. They've made like 1 trade in the past 15+ years when they traded that psycho Tibbets their way.

Never say never. The Tocchet trade was a huge one.

 

[Tender Rip]

I love Simmonds, have since he has been a King. Voracek is nice, but he seems like one of those players that excels on bad teams. Can't wait until he drops off this year so I can stop hearing about how he is just as good as Crosby.

What would've been nice is swinging a Simmonds / Toffoli deal from the Kings. We need size in our top six, not fancy Euros.

And I assume the fact that Voracek is bigger and heavier than any other top6 winger we have, apart from being more skilled than any of them, by far, is made a non-factor due to him being a "fancy Euro"...

Well, that just deepens our disagreement.

 

[billybudd]

I love Simmonds, have since he has been a King. Voracek is nice, but he seems like one of those players that excels on bad teams. Can't wait until he drops off this year so I can stop hearing about how he is just as good as Crosby.

What would've been nice is swinging a Simmonds / Toffoli deal from the Kings. We need size in our top six, not fancy Euros.

Normally, I'd buy that, but Voracek does have some decent size and power to go with his fanciness. Filatov, he is not.

 

[Michael8771*]

I've been wanting to trade Letang for quite some time. After the stroke however his value plummeted. The fact that he's a righty is also a variable to consider. I think the Pens and Wings could make good trade partners here. Of course we'd likely want to get a serviceable RHPMD back, possibly in a separate deal.

 

[orby]

I have a very hard time imagining the Flyers seriously considered moving Simmonds AND Voracek for Letang back then...but Holmgren was not exactly known for making roster moves that adhered to logic or reason.

 

[Gurglesons]

And I assume the fact that Voracek is bigger and heavier than any other top6 winger we have, apart from being more skilled than any of them, by far, is made a non-factor due to him being a "fancy Euro"...

Well, that just deepens our disagreement.

Voracek is basically cut from the same cloth as James Neal. My dad is a diehard Flyers fan, I have to put up with the ******** surrounding that squad every ****ing year and watch half of their games.

 

[Tender Rip]

Voracek is basically cut from the same cloth as James Neal.

Hahaha .

 

[Gurglesons]

Hahaha .

He is

 

[ColePens]

Gotta close this up. I'm on mobile. Can someone start a new thread?