Prospect Info: 2013 Draft Thread: "Shoo-in for Nichushkin"

[Toydarian]

Jakob de la Rose, to me this guy is a perfect 2nd round pick for the Oilers. Good size and great physical tools, good skater, some nastiness and pretty soft hands. I think there is a good chance he really takes off offensively the next few years but if he doesnt he'll likely end up a great 3rd liner who can move into the top 6 at times and at the very least he is a solid 3rd liner/great 4th liner. Has a lot of things this team lacks but might be gone before the 1st round is over, a lot of teams dream of guys with his set of tools.

Thanks for the report. I like the sound of de la Rose, do you have any comments about his hockey IQ?

In regards to the OHL top 10 list, any time I read a report on Monahan, I find myself REALLY wishing he's available at 7. I hope what the scout/writer said about him potentially dropping happens!

At the same time, I also really like what I have read and seen from the likes of Lindholm and Nurse.

(Also still hoping CGY goes off the board and picks Domi at #6)

... basically "hoping" for a lot of things.

 

[VictorLustig]

So

Wennberg >> Paajarvi 2.0
De Le Rose >> taller Lander
Hagg >> Klefbom 2.0
Johnsson >> Omark

gotcha!!

Wennberg is closer to a RNH than a Paajarvi in terms of style, his hockey IQ, playmaking and skating stands out the most. De La Rose is more of a Franzén-esque player. Big, strong skater that can be used in any situation. Hägg is Alexander Edler style wise.

 

[The Perfect Human*]

I think Nichushkin might have a bit of Dustin Penner in him. Big, very skilled, obviously a much better player than Penner was at this age, but can't seem to drag that big body into the fire every night. If he proves me wrong, he will become a hell of a player. I don't think he makes it to 7.

He looked great in all of his WJHC games, and from what Russian posters are saying about his KHL play - effort level is not an issue with Nichushkin.

But of course, he's Russian right?

 

[Raab]

If you subtracted 4 inches from any player in sure they would be bumped down to the second round.

My point is, you don't pick someone because of their size, especially d men. You pick them because of there hockey IQ, Skating and all their other attributes. Size does come into the equation but for me it's further down the line. I mean how many 6' 5 d men have become elite defenders? I can think of two: Pronger which was expected and Chara who took some time and patience.

 

[The Perfect Human*]

So what is the main difference between Barkov and Nichushkin ?

To me it seems like the position they play is the only reason Barkov is ranked higher.

If Barkov was moved to wing in NHL like many before him... who would you rather have?

Size >> almost the same
Speed >> Nichushkin
NHL sized ice >> none
Play against men >> both

Hockey sense, vision, and passing/finishing ability --> Barkov

 

[puckfan13]

It's really hard to get a handle of how John Weisbrod in Calgary will be directing this draft, a good hint could be looking at Craig Button's ranking as the scout he most frequently talks with is his brother Tod Button who is Calgary's head amateur guy. He had Jankowski mid first round and Baertschi at 11 where the Flames picked in 2011.

So, judging from his 2013 rankings, Nickushkin is solidly in the top 5 and I wouldn't be surprised if Calgary wanted to take a chance on him especially if he can come over next year.

 

[McDoused]

My point is, you don't pick someone because of their size, especially d men. You pick them because of there hockey IQ, Skating and all their other attributes. Size does come into the equation but for me it's further down the line. I mean how many 6' 5 d men have become elite defenders? I can think of two: Pronger which was expected and Chara who took some time and patience.

Except his skating is excellent for a big guy and has really developed the offensive instincts and playmaking ability you want from a top 10 pick. I'm done defending Nurse but to see him fall out of the top 10 kinda bugs me. I wouldn't be surprised if he goes much higher then people have him pegged.

 

[VictorLustig]

He looked great in all of his WJHC games, and from what Russian posters are saying about his KHL play - effort level is not an issue with Nichushkin.

But of course, he's Russian right?

He was invisible most of the time IMO. Wasn't one of the best Russian players in the U18 WJC either.

 

[mkwong268]

Historic 7th Overall picks

Since we don't have 1st overall to get excited about this year I decided to list all the 7th overall picks and hope that we get some gem there!

1963 Rodney Presswood
1964 Brian Watts
1965 Brian McKenney
1966 Rick Smith
1967 Bob Tombari
1968 Jim McInally
1969 Tony Featherstone
1970 Greg Polis
1971 Chuck Arnason
1972 Bill Barber
1973 Blaine Stoughton
1974 Doug Risebrough
1975 Greg Vaydik
1976 Bernie Federko
1977 Brad Maxwell
1978 Ken Linseman
1979 Keith Brown
1980 Rick Lanz
1981 Mark Hunter
1982 Ken Yaremchuk
1983 Russ Courtnall
1984 Shawn Burr
1985 Ulf Dahlén
1986 Dan Woodley
1987 Luke Richardson
1988 Martin Gelinas
1989 Doug Zmolek
1990 Darryl Sydor
1991 Alek Stojanov
1992 Ryan Sittler
1993 Jason Arnott
1994 Jamie Storr
1995 Shane Doan
1996 Erik Rasmussen
1997 Paul Mara
1998 Manny Malhotra
1999 Kris Beech
2000 Lars Jonsson
2001 Mike Komisarek
2002 Joffrey Lupul
2003 Ryan Suter
2004 Rostislav Olesz
2005 Jack Skille
2006 Kyle Okposo
2007 Jakub Voracek
2008 Colin Wilson
2009 Nazem Kadri
2010 Jeff Skinner
2011 Mark Scheifele
2012 Mathew Dumba

 

[joestevens29]

Not sure if posted, but here's a link on our scouts

http://nhlnumbers.com/2013/5/24/who-are-the-oilers-best-scouts

The Oilers have looked for this Lucic-ness under many rocks in the WHL, and have selected players like Drew Czerwonka, Cameron Abney, John McCarron, Jujhar Khaira, Mitchell Moroz, Travis Ewanyk, Curtis Hamilton, and Tyler Pitlick all in their quest for “size with scoring”.

 

[Wheathead]

Since we don't have 1st overall to get excited about this year I decided to list all the 7th overall picks and hope that we get some gem there!

1963 Rodney Presswood
1964 Brian Watts
1965 Brian McKenney
1966 Rick Smith
1967 Bob Tombari
1968 Jim McInally
1969 Tony Featherstone
1970 Greg Polis
1971 Chuck Arnason
1972 Bill Barber
1973 Blaine Stoughton
1974 Doug Risebrough
1975 Greg Vaydik
1976 Bernie Federko
1977 Brad Maxwell
1978 Ken Linseman
1979 Keith Brown
1980 Rick Lanz
1981 Mark Hunter
1982 Ken Yaremchuk
1983 Russ Courtnall
1984 Shawn Burr
1985 Ulf Dahlén
1986 Dan Woodley
1987 Luke Richardson
1988 Martin Gelinas
1989 Doug Zmolek
1990 Darryl Sydor
1991 Alek Stojanov
1992 Ryan Sittler
1993 Jason Arnott
1994 Jamie Storr
1995 Shane Doan
1996 Erik Rasmussen
1997 Paul Mara
1998 Manny Malhotra
1999 Kris Beech
2000 Lars Jonsson
2001 Mike Komisarek
2002 Joffrey Lupul
2003 Ryan Suter
2004 Rostislav Olesz
2005 Jack Skille
2006 Kyle Okposo
2007 Jakub Voracek
2008 Colin Wilson
2009 Nazem Kadri
2010 Jeff Skinner
2011 Mark Scheifele
2012 Mathew Dumba

1995 still bugs me.

 

[puckfan13]

Not sure if posted, but here's a link on our scouts

http://nhlnumbers.com/2013/5/24/who-are-the-oilers-best-scouts

The Oilers have looked for this Lucic-ness under many rocks in the WHL, and have selected players like Drew Czerwonka, Cameron Abney, John McCarron, Jujhar Khaira, Mitchell Moroz, Travis Ewanyk, Curtis Hamilton, and Tyler Pitlick all in their quest for “size with scoringâ€.

It's hard to give credit to individual scouts or not, the scouts do quite a few crossovers to do crosschecking on initial evaluations in the second half of the year. To break it down into such minutiae when it's a dynamic process involving many people and many opinions in every pick is sort of a weird exercise. There's also different factors of WHL/OHL being by far the most heavily scouted leagues, it's harder to find gems there because there's an army of scouts at each game. Players that are picked often fall under the direction of the scouting director/management pinpointing certain features/needs that the organization that needs to be filled.

 

[Empros*]

Best draft since 2003 right? Happy with a Suter quality player

 

[Heavy Dee]

we need a Kenny Linseman

 

[Titsuple]

Not sure where you heard Nurse was Carolina's target. Rutherford has been pretty open in his want for a forward who can play next year. That would be Barkov out of the one's listed, if you are right about Tampa wanting Nichushkin (which I'm also not sold on).

On oilers lunch today they where talking to Carolina media guy who said they would most likely be drafting a d as they already have a lot of depth at center with staal bros and skinner and might be very open to trading down to 7-12.

 

[doubledown99]

On oilers lunch today they where talking to Carolina media guy who said they would most likely be drafting a d as they already have a lot of depth at center with staal bros and skinner and might be very open to trading down to 7-12.

That isn't exactly what he said.....he said Ron Francis is Fort Knox so difficult to know what they will do. Said maybe a dmen (makes sense) but anything is possible since org is so tight lipped

 

[jukon]

Ryan Suter please.

 

[KenLinsemanFanClub]

we need a Kenny Linseman

Couldn't agree more.

 

[jsho]

"The historic 7th overall pick?" Is Tambellini coming back to announce it?

 

[ohheyhemsky]

After we trade down: "With our historic #17 draft choice, we are so proud to select, from the Edmonton Oil Kings of the WHL, Curtis Lazar."

Cue the disappointment.

 

[molsonmuscle360]

Pretty solid group of NHL'ers right there in that list.

 

[Master Lok]

Since 2002, its a really solid list of players, with the exception of Skille and Olesz. I'd be happy with anyone drafted from 2002 at #7 (excepting the two).

Thanks OP.

 

[zeus3007*]

Hockey sense, vision, and passing/finishing ability --> Barkov

I'm not so sure about that. A lot of scouts are saying that Nichushkin is the most talented player in this draft, its his KHL status that is scaring people off. Nobody is saying the same about Barkov skill set.

 

[zeus3007*]

Not sure if posted, but here's a link on our scouts

http://nhlnumbers.com/2013/5/24/who-are-the-oilers-best-scouts

The Oilers have looked for this Lucic-ness under many rocks in the WHL, and have selected players like Drew Czerwonka, Cameron Abney, John McCarron, Jujhar Khaira, Mitchell Moroz, Travis Ewanyk, Curtis Hamilton, and Tyler Pitlick all in their quest for “size with scoringâ€.

Marincin and Gernat are credited to European scouts despite being WHL'ers at the time of the draft. There may be others, I didn't look closely.

 

[McDNicks17]

Marincin and Gernat are credited to European scouts despite being WHL'ers at the time of the draft. There may be others, I didn't look closely.

They were drafted out of Slovakia.

Both were drafted into the WHL after being drafted by the Oilers.