NFL: 15 female employees report sexual harassment by several Washington executives

[Troy McClure]

How to fire Dan Snyder.

You’ve already reached the whataboutism stage, Dan?

 

[GKJ]

If Dan Snyder didn’t know, he should have known.

 

[SladeWilson23]

To be fair to Washington, I have a hard time believing that Washington is the only organization where this happens.

 

[Cloned]

Some of those text message exchanges in that article are disturbing to read.

Also a lot of people are speculating there is much more to come.

 

[ucanthanzalthetruth]

There is a rumor that allegations of Washington bribing on field officials was removed. If nothing else comes out, idk if he survives this. It is 2020 but he survived the cheerleader scandal which was significantly worse (not to say this story isnt bad, but again, compared to the cheerleader story)

 

[John Price]

To be fair to Washington, I have a hard time believing that Washington is the only organization where this happens.

This type of behavior is sadly prevalent in a corporate dog eat dog world. Many leaders and even a current president have strict rules or do demeaning things to underlings

 

[Voight]

This won't force Snyder to sell the Redskins if thats what some are hoping.

He'll only be forced to sell if it comes out that he was apart of the harassment - the way Jerry Richardson was.

Snyder has been a shit owner for years and he’s making life miserable for that Washington franchise.

I think it be wise for the NFL to step in and drive him to sell it, he’s been the shits for years.

Redskins still make the league money so I don't think it bothers the NFL too much. Regardless if the team sucks, people still tune in week after week and buy their merchandise. Sure they could "make more" if the on-field product was better but unless he harms the leagues finances they won't force him out.

There is a rumor that allegations of Washington bribing on field officials was removed. If nothing else comes out, idk if he survives this. It is 2020 but he survived the cheerleader scandal which was significantly worse (not to say this story isnt bad, but again, compared to the cheerleader story)

Jim Irsay was caught with enough drugs to send him away to prison for a decent chunk of time. He obviously didn't go to prison because hes rich and somewhat famous, but all he got was like a 6 game suspension by the NFL. Like I said above, unless Snyder was apart of the assault/harassment the way Richardson was, he'll survive.

 

[John Price]

Wouldn’t you want Snyder fired?

Yeah, but not for this, because this is nothing. If you fire him for this, it's an extreme case of snowflakes taking offense. And ya'll know how I feel about PC culture.

Snyder should not be cancelled when he didn't even harass anyone. Snyder should be fired IF he sexually harassed employees. Which he didn't.

The bar for a NFL owner is set really high. They aren't really going to fire an owner for having a dysfunctional workplace, or an environment that is conducive to harassment. The NFL will just warn Snyder to put it under control, fine him, and get on with it. This is NOT something worth firing somebody over.

In the last few years, the SOLE incident of a NFL owner selling his interest in a team was because he sexually harassed employees.

Robert Kraft went to Asian massage parlors and kept his job.

Jim Irsay got drunk as hell and got a DUI and kept his job.

On September 2, 2014, shortly after pleading guilty to OWI and being sentenced to one year of probation, Irsay was suspended by the NFL for six games and fined $500,000.[14]

Jerry Jones harasses younger women regularly and kept his job.

This is nothing.

 

[John Price]

Ladies and gents, apparently this is a Dan Snyder burner twitter account.

Just bringing up facts, "Snyder shill / HF account". I've seen this game before.

I mean we are all rational people here. Nobody likes snyder. Nobody. But this isn't even something worth firing him over. I mean, think about it. Think about what other owners have done and kept their jobs for.

 

[ucanthanzalthetruth]

Yeah, but not for this, because this is nothing. If you fire him for this, it's an extreme case of snowflakes taking offense. And ya'll know how I feel about PC culture.

Snyder should not be cancelled when he didn't even harass anyone. Snyder should be fired IF he sexually harassed employees. Which he didn't.

The bar for a NFL owner is set really high. They aren't really going to fire an owner for having a dysfunctional workplace, or an environment that is conducive to harassment. The NFL will just warn Snyder to put it under control, fine him, and get on with it. This is NOT something worth firing somebody over.

In the last few years, the SOLE incident of a NFL owner selling his interest in a team was because he sexually harassed employees.

Robert Kraft went to Asian massage parlors and kept his job.

Jim Irsay got drunk as hell and got a DUI and kept his job.



Jerry Jones harasses younger women regularly and kept his job.

This is nothing.

They already said Snyder was not involved. I personally also do not think this is enough to get rid of him. There is a rumor going around on twitter that Snyder's PR team made up all the wilder stories to soften the blow, I dont really believe it but if so he is an evil genius

 

[YoSoyLalo]

Yeah, but not for this, because this is nothing. If you fire him for this, it's an extreme case of snowflakes taking offense. And ya'll know how I feel about PC culture.

Snyder should not be cancelled when he didn't even harass anyone. Snyder should be fired IF he sexually harassed employees. Which he didn't.

The bar for a NFL owner is set really high. They aren't really going to fire an owner for having a dysfunctional workplace, or an environment that is conducive to harassment. The NFL will just warn Snyder to put it under control, fine him, and get on with it. This is NOT something worth firing somebody over.

In the last few years, the SOLE incident of a NFL owner selling his interest in a team was because he sexually harassed employees.

Robert Kraft went to Asian massage parlors and kept his job.

Jim Irsay got drunk as hell and got a DUI and kept his job.



Jerry Jones harasses younger women regularly and kept his job.

This is nothing.

I don’t even know where to start.

knowingly allowing sexual harassment to occur is nothing? What kind of moral compass do you have? Saying that him getting fired for that would be “PC culture” is honestly appalling and screams of someone using a buzz phrase without actually knowing what it means.

And of course he WONT get fired for this. Just like those other owners didn’t get fired for their crimes. But they SHOULD have been, and if Snyder knew about sexual harassment occurring and did nothing to prevent it, yes, he should absolutely be fired, I don’t even see how this is arguable from a moral standpoint.

it seems the hill you want to die on is that what he did “isn’t that bad” compared to what the others did. In the end it doesn’t really matter. What matters is that this shit isn’t okay, yet you seem to want to make an excuse for it because of other bad things that have happened.

obviously it hasn’t been proven that he knew about it as of yet. But if this was occurring I have a very, very difficult time believing he wasn’t aware of it. We’ll see what happens.

 

[John Price]

I don’t even know where to start.

knowingly allowing sexual harassment to occur is nothing? What kind of moral compass do you have? Saying that him getting fired for that would be “PC culture” is honestly appalling and screams of someone using a buzz phrase without actually knowing what it means.

And of course he WONT get fired for this. Just like those other owners didn’t get fired for their crimes. But they SHOULD have been, and if Snyder knew about sexual harassment occurring and did nothing to prevent it, yes, he should absolutely be fired, I don’t even see how this is arguable from a moral standpoint.

it seems the hill you want to die on is that what he did “isn’t that bad” compared to what the others did. In the end it doesn’t really matter. What matters is that this shit isn’t okay, yet you seem to want to make an excuse for it because of other bad things that have happened.

obviously it hasn’t been proven that he knew about it as of yet. But if this was occurring I have a very, very difficult time believing he wasn’t aware of it. We’ll see what happens.

Of course he was aware of it, the employees even said so themselves. Is this really something worth losing a job over?

I mean, think about it. Robert Kraft SOLICITED FAVORS FROM ASIAN MASSAGE PARLORS (ALLEGEDLY). Do you know what the NFL did to him? They basically fined him. AND HE WAS DIRECTLY IMPLICATED.

They didn't kick him out. They don't kick people out. Especially for stuff like this. I'm sorry for the victims, Redskins Park is a pretty bad place to work, but we all knew this. Snyder is also a jackass, but being a jackass isn't a reason for the NFL to force you to sell.

If you kick Snyder out for just being a jackass and a bad person in general, you're going to have to kick a lot of people out.

 

[YoSoyLalo]

Of course he was aware of it, the employees even said so themselves. Is this really something worth losing a job over?

I mean, think about it. Robert Kraft SOLICITED FAVORS FROM ASIAN MASSAGE PARLORS (ALLEGEDLY). Do you know what the NFL did to him? They basically fined him. AND HE WAS DIRECTLY IMPLICATED.

They didn't kick him out. They don't kick people out. Especially for stuff like this. I'm sorry for the victims, Redskins Park is a pretty bad place to work, but we all knew this. Snyder is also a jackass, but being a jackass isn't a reason for the NFL to force you to sell.

If you kick Snyder out for just being a jackass and a bad person in general, you're going to have to kick a lot of people out.

Yes it is. The fact that you think otherwise is an indictment of your character. I don’t care if the others didn’t get fired, that doesn't mean Snyder shouldn’t be fired. It just means he’s going to get away with it because he’s a billionaire. Which you seem perfectly okey dokey with.

 

[PanniniClaus]

All the pieces of the puzzle are coming together. The about face on the name change, the purge of employees....he's doing everything he can to shield himself from the absolute avalanche of shit coming his way...I think he is no better than 50/50 to survive

 

[John Price]

Yes it is. The fact that you think otherwise is an indictment of your character. I don’t care if the others didn’t get fired, that doesn't mean Snyder shouldn’t be fired. It just means he’s going to get away with it because he’s a billionaire. Which you seem perfectly okey dokey with.

When did I suggest it was okey dokey with? I told you people a billion times that nobody likes Snyder and he has very few defenders. But he didn't do anything to warrant firing.

Do you think we should just remove all displeasant people? Why don't we start with James Dolan? You know, that guy who famously locked Spike Lee out and kicked Charles Oakley out? Bad culture, kick him out!

Rich people are jackasses and jerks. Even Melnyk. Unpopular owners are always going to exist in sports. We can't just cancel them all just because we do not like them.

 

[Shockmaster]

So where did those rumors that Snyder was somehow involved with the Epstein stuff come from? This really doesn't directly implicate Snyder in anything. It just proves he's a shitty owner, which we already knew.

 

[John Price]

So where did those rumors that Snyder was somehow involved with the Epstein stuff come from? This really doesn't directly implicate Snyder in anything. It just proves he's a shitty owner, which we already knew.

He is a shitty owner and everyone knew that. It's not worth firing him over.

Heck, the name only changed due to severe sponsor pushback. Do you really see FedEx and Nike refusing to deal with Washington until Snyder is no longer owner, over something like this?

 

[Unholy Diver]

When did I suggest it was okey dokey with? I told you people a billion times that nobody likes Snyder and he has very few defenders. But he didn't do anything to warrant firing.

Do you think we should just remove all displeasant people? Why don't we start with James Dolan? You know, that guy who famously locked Spike Lee out and kicked Charles Oakley out? Bad culture, kick him out!

Rich people are jackasses and jerks. Even Melnyk. Unpopular owners are always going to exist in sports. We can't just cancel them all just because we do not like them.

If Snyder knowingly allowed all these things to happen that shows a lack of Institutional control which while, granted it was college but that was what was a big argument against Joe Paterno, (may his soul burn in hell) and Graham Spanier and all of the other guys that got canned and some of them charged with crimes at Penn State

That is a big difference from being a jackass like Dolan, or committing a personal minor infraction like Irsay or Kraft

 

[John Price]

If Snyder knowingly allowed all these things to happen that shows a lack of Institutional control which while, granted it was college but that was what was a big argument against Joe Paterno, (may his soul burn in hell) and Graham Spanier and all of the other guys that got canned and some of them charged with crimes at Penn State

That is a big difference from being a jackass like Dolan, or committing a personal minor infraction like Irsay or Kraft

Meh he didn't directly harass anyone which in the line of the NFL is the ony thing they are concerned about

Unless there is significant pushback I believe he is safe. I would be surprised if sponsors threatened to stop funding the Redskins until Snyder leaves.

 

[Patricia]

This could be a BIG one, especially if the FBI/Police are getting involved:
- (allegedly) in 2018, on a trip to Costa Rica the team's cheerleaders had their passports taken from them upon landing (why do this unless you didn't want those women to have a means of escape?!? )
- were forced into "escorting" team officials, sponsors and season ticket holders to events at a night club; it was made infinitely clear what would happen if the assignment was refused (coercion, anyone?)
This moves from the realm of harrassment into the criminal - Forcible confinement, human trafficking and rape/sexual assault anyone?!?

- If the team had nothing to hide about that trip, why are 15 women not being freed from non disclosure agreements to speak about their experiences openly?
- The FBI and law enforcement are now getting involved, and *that* net is getting cast wider by the day....

All I know as I try to digest this is that if it were *my* daughter being victimized --the mother in me would want to stop at NOTHING to see that those who were the perpetrators, or those who were complicit and allowed it to happen would pay the price (preferrably in the legal arena; I couldn't help my daughter from a jail cell now could I?). As for my sons...I teach them better - and expect better - in terms of their conduct with women and girls.

 

[John Price]

This could be a BIG one, especially if the FBI/Police are getting involved:
- (allegedly) in 2018, on a trip to Costa Rica the team's cheerleaders had their passports taken from them upon landing (why do this unless you didn't want those women to have a means of escape?!? )
- were forced into "escorting" team officials, sponsors and season ticket holders to events at a night club; it was made infinitely clear what would happen if the assignment was refused (coercion, anyone?)
This moves from the realm of harrassment into the criminal - Forcible confinement, human trafficking and rape/sexual assault anyone?!?

- If the team had nothing to hide about that trip, why are 15 women not being freed from non disclosure agreements to speak about their experiences openly?
- The FBI and law enforcement are now getting involved, and *that* net is getting cast wider by the day....

All I know as I try to digest this is that if it were *my* daughter being victimized --the mother in me would want to stop at NOTHING to see that those who were the perpetrators, or those who were complicit and allowed it to happen would pay the price (preferrably in the legal arena; I couldn't help my daughter from a jail cell now could I?). As for my sons...I teach them better - and expect better - in terms of their conduct with women and girls.

Sources unclear on the CR trip. Snyder was not directly involved and he got out of that by claiming bad surrogate employees (although agreed it should have never happened)

That was worse, and if that didn't topple him, why would this?

 

[Patricia]

Sources unclear on the CR trip. Snyder was not directly involved and he got out of that by claiming bad surrogate employees (although agreed it should have never happened)

That was worse, and if that didn't topple him, why would this?

If he knew, and was complicit ( ie, he didn't do anything beyond firing a couple of people as a cover-up) in allowing it to happen, then he is just as guilty as those who actually did it.

 

[Troy McClure]

If he knew, and was complicit ( ie, he didn't do anything beyond firing a couple of people as a cover-up) in allowing it to happen, then he is just as guilty as those who actually did it.

Even if he didn’t know about it, how did he respond when the story broke? Did he clean up his organization? Sure doesn’t look like it with the guys fired yesterday. Snyder kept the same culture of harassment in place.

 

[Hasbro]

OK how is any Redskin fan not willing to sieze on any excuse to be rid of Snyder?

 

[WeThreeKings]

Yeah, I'm not so sure the official position I would want to take is that because other people did worse or equivalent things that Snyder shouldn't be fired.

They all should be. Knowing of sexual harassment occurring by your employees and allowing it continue is absolutely despicable and fireable.