Value of: 14th OA + Ryan Callahan

[Rschmitz]

Unless I am mistaken his NMC converts to a limited NTC after this season

 

[Cassano]

Only way to dump that contract is by sending an equally bad contract.

 

[Sky04]

That was from one injury. A torn hip. This year there was scar tissue around the hip, and a stitch on his bone causing a set back in his rehab. But it's all from the initial injury/surgery. Did Tampa's medical staff mess up? I don't know. But I am certainly questioning some of their decisions. Too many players with setbacks this year or came back too soon. (Stamkos, Paquette, Johnson)

How does Stamkos's injury have anything to do with the doctors medical evaluation? It's not the doctor's fault, Callahan's playstyle has killed his body.

 

[135ace]

NJ can take Callahan + 14OA. Not sending anything back though...that is unless you want Cammalleri. The only reason Detroit finagled their way out of the Datsyuk deal is Chayka so unless you plan on ripping of Chayka no other GM will send you anything significant back for taking on Callahan as a cap dump.

 

[Sabresruletheschool]

Obviously depending on Cally waiving his NMC, but packaging him with the 14th overall with no retention, what does it fetch?

He has 4 years left at 5.8m. Does a team like Vegas, or a team with space like Phoenix or Carolina, take on Cally's contract for another draft pick, and what do they send the other way?

They probably send back a 5th round pick lol

 

[The Best Leafs Ever]

Vancouver should jump on this one. This is the type of cap dumps that will garner you some nice assets. Too bad we already have Horton and can't afford cap dumps anymore as we are going to have to sign our RFAs starting 2017 off-season.

 

[PetterssonSimp]

Vancouver should jump on this one. This is the type of cap dumps that will garner you some nice assets. Too bad we already have Horton and can't afford cap dumps anymore as we are going to have to sign our RFAs starting 2017 off-season.

With the way a lot of Bolts fans are talking about getting something of value back. Yeah most likely not happening.
Middling prospect or a pick so late it's basically future considerations. Pedan/Sautner/Grenier types. Can I talk you guys into taking Erik Gudbranson's RFA rights back if we tossed in our 3rd? So we gets 14 and a terrible contract you guys get 64th? Overall and a mediocre defenceman who is 25. I'd trust your coaching staff to get something from Gudbranson if it were mine.

 

[Sky04]

With the way a lot of Bolts fans are talking about getting something of value back. Yeah most likely not happening.
Middling prospect or a pick so late it's basically future considerations. Pedan/Sautner/Grenier types. Can I talk you guys into taking Erik Gudbranson's RFA rights back if we tossed in our 3rd? So we gets 14 and a terrible contract you guys get 64th? Overall and a mediocre defenceman who is 25. I'd trust your coaching staff to get something from Gudbranson if it were mine.

Done.

 

[Peter Griffin]

Callahan and 14th for Dorsett and Columbus' 2nd?

 

[Peter Griffin]

With the way a lot of Bolts fans are talking about getting something of value back. Yeah most likely not happening.
Middling prospect or a pick so late it's basically future considerations. Pedan/Sautner/Grenier types. Can I talk you guys into taking Erik Gudbranson's RFA rights back if we tossed in our 3rd? So we gets 14 and a terrible contract you guys get 64th? Overall and a mediocre defenceman who is 25. I'd trust your coaching staff to get something from Gudbranson if it were mine.

Why are we paying someone to take Gudbranson's rights? That literally makes zero sense.

 

[DarthProbert]

A NJ or Arizona would be wise to take that for a later pick. Can't have enough 1st round picks when rebuilding. They have the cap space to absorb it even if he doesn't return to form.

 

[Volodya Krutov]

Garrison, you're next.

 

[Blue Goose]

Unless I am mistaken his NMC converts to a limited NTC after this season

It switches to NTC after the 2017-18 season.

Does anyone know if and how much insurance is paying on Callahan's contract? That had a lot to do with Arizona acquiring the Datsyuk (no real $) and Bolland (insurance paid 80%) contracts. If Callahan would waive to play in Arizona, there could be a deal there - if he's healthy and Doan retires, they have a veteran leader. If he's not healthy and insurance pays most of the salary, they get the cap hit.

 

[Nucknuck]

How about Callahan and Drouin for Tanev and Goldobin?

 

[TampaJay]

This would be a dumb move by Yzerman. The old maxim buy low sell high applies, or in other words don’t sell low. Callahan is at his lowest value. It will either stay the same (and he can go on LTIR) or it will improve if his hip is fixed. Might as well wait and see.

 

[Vatican Roulette]

This would be a dumb move by Yzerman. The old maxim buy low sell high applies, or in other words don’t sell low. Callahan is at his lowest value. It will either stay the same (and he can go on LTIR) or it will improve if his hip is fixed. Might as well wait and see.

Crouse was attached to Bolland.

That's the situation Tampa is in.

 

[TampaJay]

Crouse was attached to Bolland.

That's the situation Tampa is in.

No it is not if his hip is fixed. His value can only go up because it can’t get any lower. With Bolland there was no chance it would go up. Next fall will tell the story. Callahan and his doctor say it is fixed. You can’t put him in the Bolland category until we know the result on the ice.

 

[Vatican Roulette]

No it is not if his hip is fixed. His value can only go up because it can’t get any lower. With Bolland there was no chance it would go up. Next fall will tell the story. Callahan and his doctor say it is fixed. You can’t put him in the Bolland category until we know the result on the ice.

Can Tampa afford that risk? What happens if the hip is fixed?

Will he produce more than he does now?
Will his skating improve?
Can he still play physical?

 

[TampaJay]

Can Tampa afford that risk? What happens if the hip is fixed?

Will he produce more than he does now?
Will his skating improve?
Can he still play physical?

Those are all very good questions. But maybe, just maybe, if you were a smart GM, you would want to know the answers to those good questions before you gave up a #14 OA or a top prospect to dump him. It may be the case. But the smartest move is to wait for the answers. What's the risk. He can't get any worse value wise.

 

[Canuck Luck]

Those are all very good questions. But maybe, just maybe, if you were a smart GM, you would want to know the answers to those good questions before you gave up a #14 OA or a top prospect to dump him. It may be the case. But the smartest move is to wait for the answers. What's the risk. He can't get any worse value wise.

Oh he definitely can. Those same risks are why a team would be willing to acquire him for just the 14th pick.

If it TB keeps him and it turns out he's a 10-20 point player that can't skate as fast or hit as much pre-surgery, not the 30-40 you're risking he can be, theres going to have to be significantly more value added than just the 2018 1st

Like right now as a Canuck fan I'd be willing to take a risk on him for the 14th and a 2018 2nd or 2M retained and the 14th overall pick with the 64th ovr pick going back to TB. If TB holds onto him and say he puts up something like 17 points. I wouldn't touch him with a 50 foot pole unless theres a 50% retainment along with the 2018 1st thrown in for something of no value or a top prospect + the 2018 first

 

[pld459666]

Obviously depending on Cally waiving his NMC, but packaging him with the 14th overall with no retention, what does it fetch?

He has 4 years left at 5.8m. Does a team like Vegas, or a team with space like Phoenix or Carolina, take on Cally's contract for another draft pick, and what do they send the other way?

For Callahan and the 14OA pick you can probably get a pick in the 25-30 range

Definitely not moving up

 

[Brock Radunske]

Leafs 2017 2nd round pick?

 

[HoseEmDown]

Oh he definitely can. Those same risks are why a team would be willing to acquire him for just the 14th pick.

If it TB keeps him and it turns out he's a 10-20 point player that can't skate as fast or hit as much pre-surgery, not the 30-40 you're risking he can be, theres going to have to be significantly more value added than just the 2018 1st

Like right now as a Canuck fan I'd be willing to take a risk on him for the 14th and a 2018 2nd or 2M retained and the 14th overall pick with the 64th ovr pick going back to TB. If TB holds onto him and say he puts up something like 17 points. I wouldn't touch him with a 50 foot pole unless theres a 50% retainment along with the 2018 1st thrown in for something of no value or a top prospect + the 2018 first

That's way too much to give up for a cap dump. When has a team given up a 1st + 2nd to move a contract or retained 2mil on a deal that extends beyond the year? Bolland + Crouse = Callahan + 14th and the Panthers got back 2 high picks. So not giving up a 1st + to rid Callahan.

I'd rather keep Callahan for the year anyway. We can dump salary somewhere else, Garrison trade or Killorn to expansion, so no rush to rid Callahan. He's going to be overpaid but even if be just scores 20 but is back to the grinder, PK specialist it's not all bad. If he can't play anymore then he goes on LTIR and we get the cap relief that way.

 

[HBK27]

A NJ or Arizona would be wise to take that for a later pick. Can't have enough 1st round picks when rebuilding. They have the cap space to absorb it even if he doesn't return to form.

Yeah, they have the cap space going into next season...the year after - probably...the year after that, it's not as clear depending on how quickly these teams progress.

Also, there's the whole issue of $15.9MM in real dollars that ownership has to sign off on. Neither organization is exactly printing money.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

Not that he'd waive to go to Colorado but what about Grigorenko for Callahan + 14th overall. Grigs and Kucherov are close friends and have played together in the past as well.