Post-Game Talk: #12 | Kings at Flyers | November 4, 2023 | Loss 5-0

[Beef Invictus]

Frost’s fans hate Cates because they think Frost is better & that Cates unfairly is higher on the depth chart.

Torts also likes Cates, & everything Torts says & does is awful.

Literally nobody hates Cates dude. This is just woefully incorrect.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Meanwhile I'm amazed that anyone is putting too much stock in any small sample stats so far.

 

[Flyer lurker]

Cates is a wing playing center and playing it poorly. He doesn’t have the quickness required to cover the amount of ice that a center needs. He can make an occasional sharp pass and is willing to go to the net. However he is poor on the dot and does not have that much of a shot. I give him credit for effort but he should be back on the wing with the third line where he belongs.

AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE

Of course you can hope Cates becomes a 3c. You can play him at c is all year and evaluate end of the year. But as of today? He is better suited as a 3lw. And Laughton as of today is a better player.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Couturier's injury is a challenge unfortunately. Cates will have to stay at C for now. But ideally I'd like to see him on Frost's wing. Then bump Deslauriers to the bench.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Literally nobody hates Cates dude. This is just woefully incorrect.

You know what we hate? The blatant double standard that Torts has for certain players

 

[Ghosts Beer]

You know what we hate? The blatant double standard that Torts has for certain players

You mean you hate that Torts disagrees with you.

 

[Beef Invictus]

You mean you hate that Torts disagrees with you.

I think he means that he hates the blatant double standards. See, that's what he said. He didn't say "I hate that Torts disagrees with me."

 

[ybnvs]

Facts is facts.

Facts is facts.

My brain....

 

[deadhead]

Cates is a wing playing center and playing it poorly. He doesn’t have the quickness required to cover the amount of ice that a center needs. He can make an occasional sharp pass and is willing to go to the net. However he is poor on the dot and does not have that much of a shot. I give him credit for effort but he should be back on the wing with the third line where he belongs.

Think your expectations are too high. Teams rarely have more than 5-6 players with 30+ ES points.

Pageau has been one of the best 3Cs for an extended stretch (overpaid, but that's another story).
His career high at ES were 31 and 32 points at age 23-24.
His last three seasons in NYI, 27 Ipro-rated), 28, 28.

Last season, Cates' first at center, he had 28 ES points, and was a Selke candidate.
Cates needs to work on his faceoffs, but other than that, he's fine for a 3C.

 

[Curufinwe]

Candidate for 15th place

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I wonder which two Torts-slurping Philly homers gave him those single 2nd and 3rd place votes.

 

[deadhead]

Candidate for 15th place

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I wonder which two Torts-slurping Philly homers gave him those single 2nd and 3rd place votes.

Given his defensive metrics were elite, playing center, matched up against top lines, he should have gotten more votes. To do that and still score 28 points is nothing to sneeze at.

 

[dragonoffrost]

Oh look, another post of you complaining about me.

Fact is, I bring more positivity about the Flyers to this board than pretty much any poster, and that's not liked on a board of overwhelming negativity toward the Flyers.


100% false, eh?

So you can't acknowledge that even SOME of Frost's fans hate Cates? Let alone that there's a correlation?

Who's supposedly lying again?

The negativity is warranted...

This team has been spinning it's wheels and there is no sign of improvement.

You bring "positivity" because you are buying hook, line and sinker into the propaganda that the new front office is selling as change but it's not.

 

[Curufinwe]

Given his defensive metrics were elite, playing center, matched up against top lines, he should have gotten more votes. To do that and still score 28 points is nothing to sneeze at.

Playing mostly with the team's three best wingers and scoring at 1.46 ESP/60 is not going to get you anywhere near the Selke.

 

[deadhead]

Playing mostly with the team's three best wingers and scoring at 1.46 ESP/60 is not going to get you anywhere near the Selke.

It's supposed to reward the best defensive forward, not the best two way forward.
Point is however you dice it, Cates was above average as a 3C last year.
He's still learning on the job, but he's a core piece going forward due to his versatility.

 

[bennysflyers16]

It's supposed to reward the best defensive forward, not the best two way forward.
Point is however you dice it, Cates was above average as a 3C last year.
He's still learning on the job, but he's a core piece going forward due to his versatility.

When a bottom 6 winger is a core piece, that is all we need to know.

 

[deadhead]

When a bottom 6 winger is a core piece, that is all we need to know.

You are team building, not give me 3 scorers and maybe I'll make the playoffs building.

A good team goes 9-10 deep at forward and 4-5 deep on defense, the bottom of the roster guys are fungible (close enough to replacement that you don't lose sleep).

Middle six forwards like Cates have value to PO teams.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

The negativity is warranted...

This team has been spinning it's wheels and there is no sign of improvement.

You bring "positivity" because you are buying hook, line and sinker into the propaganda that the new front office is selling as change but it's not.

Suit yourself.

I’m very happy with the progress they’re making over the last two seasons.

The on-ice effort & play have improved by leaps & bounds from the pre-Torts era.

I’m also excited by prospects such as Gauthier & Michkov (& Brink).

And I’m happy that corporate scourge Camillo is gone.

Sue me.

 

[VladDrag]

Suit yourself.

I’m very happy with the progress they’re making over the last two seasons.

The on-ice effort & play have improved by leaps & bounds from the pre-Torts era.

I’m also excited by prospects such as Gauthier & Michkov (& Brink).

And I’m happy that corporate scourge Camillo is gone.

Sue me.

I'm genuinely curious... Do you ever wonder why you seem to be involved in more vehement disagreements/arguments than the typical poster on this board?

 

[Curufinwe]

It's supposed to reward the best defensive forward, not the best two way forward.

Crying about it won't change how voters vote. The last player to win the Selke with under 50 points in a full season was Draper in 2004.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

I'm genuinely curious... Do you ever wonder why you seem to be involved in more vehement disagreements/arguments than the typical poster on this board?

Is this really a mystery?

This board is mostly a clique of like-minded people, where opposing opinions are shouted down or worse. I’m sure there are boards where the inverse would be true.

 

[dragonoffrost]

Improvement is a goalie on heaters saving their asses...

But sure be happy with it.

 

[deadhead]

Improvement is a goalie on heaters saving their asses...

But sure be happy with it.

Huh?
Flyers Sv% is .878, league average is .900.

 

[dragonoffrost]

Huh?
Flyers Sv% is .878, league average is .900.

Look at Carter Hart's numbers.....

.913 Sv % if you don't want to look

So if that's his save % in 8 games played and then the teams is what you posted.... What's the rest look like?

 

[deadhead]

Look at Carter Hart's numbers.....

.913 Sv % if you don't want to look

So if that's his save % in 8 games played and then the teams is what you posted.... What's the rest look like?

They only played 8 games?

Hart hasn't exactly kept this team afloat, now Boston, when your two goalies combined for .938 Sv%, that's keeping a team afloat.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Think your expectations are too high. Teams rarely have more than 5-6 players with 30+ ES points.

Pageau has been one of the best 3Cs for an extended stretch (overpaid, but that's another story).
His career high at ES were 31 and 32 points at age 23-24.
His last three seasons in NYI, 27 Ipro-rated), 28, 28.

Last season, Cates' first at center, he had 28 ES points, and was a Selke candidate.
Cates needs to work on his faceoffs, but other than that, he's fine for a 3C.

Hello, strawman.