GDT: #1 (Part 2): FLYERS 5 at Golden Knights 2, Thursday, Oct. 4, 2018, 10:00 p.m. ET

[Lord Defect]

I enjoyed the game.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

think you are dwelling on a bad play. watched it this morning. Bad turn over sucks. We won the game and ghost looked really good. It happens to lots of players. Should he have passed the puck yup!! They were changing from PP1 to the second unit. Usually ghost carries through on that. Was he slashed yup. Did PEB get super lucky that his stick knocked it out of the air yup. Again one play in the first game of the season. if it continues to happen then its a problem. Stop dwelling on it

And that’s my point: When Ghost screws up (& he makes this type of mistake often throughout the season; heck he did it twice in the first period of the opener alone, then again in the 3rd on a PP with a 4 goal lead) he gets excuses made for him and I’m told to “stop dwelling on it”; meanwhile, a board whipping boy makes a mistake & you don’t hear the end of it.

I do find humor in being told to “stop dwelling” on a board where every thread turns into a Hakstol, Hagg, AMac, Lehtera bash fest.

 

[onlylordsvsmorebp]

It was fun watching Raffl steal the puck, then body someone off him and make a play. Shaking people off like fleas is my hockey kink.

i get off on "power forward" hockey myself and he looked very strong and capable last nite. good to see...

 

[mdm815]

Just thrwoing it out there, but Ghost definitely got hooked/slashed in the bean bag on that turnover..

Thought Vorobyev looked really good, Sanheim is coming along nicely, and Raffl might be my favorite bottom of the lineup guy ever.

 

[FLYguy3911]

We need to draft more Finns.

Technically, can you draft more if you haven't drafted any?

 

[Flyotes]

Technically, can you draft more if you haven't drafted any?

Ha, but yes.

 

[MarAlain MongYeo]

Can we talk about how bad Patrick was last night? He's OK when the puck is on his stick...the problem is that it feels like the puck is never on his stick, and the adv numbers indicate that is a problem. It just feels like he's chasing the game, he always seems behind. I would chalk it up as just a rough game but he didnt impress me at all during the Pre-Season either.

 

[hatcher]

And that’s my point: When Ghost screws up (& he makes this type of mistake often throughout the season; heck he did it twice in the first period of the opener alone, then again in the 3rd on a PP with a 4 goal lead) he gets excuses made for him and I’m told to “stop dwelling on it”; meanwhile, a board whipping boy makes a mistake & you don’t hear the end of it.

I do find humor in being told to “stop dwelling” on a board where every thread turns into a Hakstol, Hagg, AMac, Lehtera bash fest.

Yeah if anything the top players lead by example so bad plays shouldnt happen from them but it's one game and we played well. On to COL now.

 

[hatcher]

Can we talk about how bad Patrick was last night? He's OK when the puck is on his stick...the problem is that it feels like the puck is never on his stick, and the adv numbers indicate that is a problem. It just feels like he's chasing the game, he always seems behind. I would chalk it up as just a rough game but he didnt impress me at all during the Pre-Season either.

Nothing special at all since preseason started.

 

[Curufinwe]

It's weird cause at the start of camp people thought he looked stronger and faster.

‘Stronger, faster’ Nolan Patrick on display at Flyers training camp

 

[Adtar02]

And that’s my point: When Ghost screws up (& he makes this type of mistake often throughout the season; heck he did it twice in the first period of the opener alone, then again in the 3rd on a PP with a 4 goal lead) he gets excuses made for him and I’m told to “stop dwelling on it”; meanwhile, a board whipping boy makes a mistake & you don’t hear the end of it.

I do find humor in being told to “stop dwelling” on a board where every thread turns into a Hakstol, Hagg, AMac, Lehtera bash fest.

ghost is a net positive player and really good the names you mentioned tend to make winning harder. that being said Hak change up some of how they played and it was a great adjustment, Lehtera looked decent last and hagg played well. Mac still made bonehead plays but looked miles better than preseason. Still think Hagg is getting too much ice time but wasnt a problem last night.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Patrick was moving on one specific forecheck in the third. Caught me by surprise. I'm not too worried. I think he might just be a slow starter. He does need to find a way to create space for himself to get his shot off though. Even when he was going good last year this wasn't a big part of his game.

 

[deadhead]

Raffl is great on the 4th line because he doesn't have to carry a line offensively, he can just play his game and control play. And he's back on the PK, which is a definite upgrade. Having the kind of depth where you can have Raffl and Laughton on the 4th line allows you to match up against any team in the NHL, especially if Lehtera continues to play this well. Even on the road, what HC wants his scoring lines killing minutes against a tough forechecking line that can deny them the puck?

 

[Ghosts Beer]

ghost is a net positive player and really good the names you mentioned tend to make winning harder. that being said Hak change up some of how they played and it was a great adjustment, Lehtera looked decent last and hagg played well. Mac still made bonehead plays but looked miles better than preseason. Still think Hagg is getting too much ice time but wasnt a problem last night.

I never argued Ghost wasn’t a “net positive.” I think he’s a heck of a player.
But the mistakes he made last night aren’t something out of the ordinary. He makes those kind of overzealous forced plays too often & it has plagued him throughout his career. The problem is that those type of turnovers immediately spring high danger scoring chances the other way. And this is what I tried telling people last year & why Hakstol doesn’t trust him in the last 5 minutes protecting a close lead. The last thing you want is a quick strike goal against in those situations & that’s always a risk with Ghost. For all the good he does, he tends to overhandle the puck & try to force offensive plays at times when the risk just isn’t worth the chance of reward.

 

[Oskar Man]

Can we talk about how bad Patrick was last night? He's OK when the puck is on his stick...the problem is that it feels like the puck is never on his stick, and the adv numbers indicate that is a problem. It just feels like he's chasing the game, he always seems behind. I would chalk it up as just a rough game but he didnt impress me at all during the Pre-Season either.

Definitely didn't look great but made some nice plays on D.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Patrick was moving on one specific forecheck in the third. Caught me by surprise. I'm not too worried. I think he might just be a slow starter. He does need to find a way to create space for himself to get his shot off though. Even when he was going good last year this wasn't a big part of his game.

I know the play you are talking about because it caught me by surprise also. Once he gets moving he is all right, but his first step in tight areas is really hurting him right now.

 

[deadhead]

It's weird cause at the start of camp people thought he looked stronger and faster.

‘Stronger, faster’ Nolan Patrick on display at Flyers training camp

I thought he had poor chemistry with JVR, looked much better the last exhibition game when they put Lindblom back with him.
They may need a week or so to get settled since they didn't play together all camp, they are all of 20 and 22.

 

[DancingPanther]

Can we talk about how bad Patrick was last night? He's OK when the puck is on his stick...the problem is that it feels like the puck is never on his stick, and the adv numbers indicate that is a problem. It just feels like he's chasing the game, he always seems behind. I would chalk it up as just a rough game but he didnt impress me at all during the Pre-Season either.

I remember him sealing off a player to stop a breakaway, poking the puck away from Karlsson as he was entering the zone with speed, making a power move to the net 1 on 2 and just barely getting it tapped away at the last second, making a good play along the boards to Jake for the tertiary assist on the Patrick goal, showing really good closing speed on a neutral zone lose puck where he came so close to pressuring the puck away from a Knight when he wss probably 3 times as far away as the Knight was at the start of the race for the puck, and making good decions on what was basically the only sustained pressure PP2 got. He was at Giroux's spot and hooked to the top of the house, drew 2 PKers, dished to the open point. On that same shift he cycled well prior to that. Matter of fact I think the cause of that play was a nice give and go that he started.

I wouldn't be worried.

Or be worried. Idk it's your life

 

[Beef Invictus]

I thought he had poor chemistry with JVR, looked much better the last exhibition game when they put Lindblom back with him.
They may need a week or so to get settled since they didn't play together all camp, they are all of 20 and 22.

Prior to preseason I thought the chief benefit of JVR would be giving a finisher to Patrick; JVR would do his floaty get-open thing, Patrick would set him up. Instead, JVR has shown he can push play up ice and set up plays himself, so even if the two do work together it could be more beneficial overall to have them spread out.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I remember him sealing off a player to stop a breakaway, poking the puck away from Karlsson as he was entering the zone with speed, making a power move to the net 1 on 2 and just barely getting it tapped away at the last second, making a good play along the boards to Jake for the tertiary assist on the Patrick goal, showing really good closing speed on a neutral zone lose puck where he came so close to pressuring the puck away from a Knight when he wss probably 3 times as far away as the Knight was at the start of the race for the puck, and making good decions on what was basically the only sustained pressure PP2 got. He was at Giroux's spot and hooked to the top of the house, drew 2 PKers, dished to the open point. On that same shift he cycled well prior to that. Matter of fact I think the cause of that play was a nice give and go that he started.

I wouldn't be worried.

Or be worried. Idk it's your life

I thought he looked like a player in his second year. Whatever. He made good plays, he had some off moments. Such is the way of most 20 year old NHLers.

 

[Lindberg]

Prior to preseason I thought the chief benefit of JVR would be giving a finisher to Patrick; JVR would do his floaty get-open thing, Patrick would set him up. Instead, JVR has shown he can push play up ice and set up plays himself, so even if the two do work together it could be more beneficial overall to have them spread out.

I definitely prefer the lines that Hakstol ran last night. Hakstol deployed all of his forwards in the way they should be. Perhaps he can bump down Couturier's ice time a bit but whatever. Defense wise I don't have that much of a complaint since I don't think Gudas looked all that good, Sanheim should get more ice time but whatever. Hagg and MacDonald played well enough for me not to really care.

Elliot looked decent enough? I'm still not impressed though since I think he made some of the saves look harder than they needed to be. I thought in general the flyers did a good job of disrupting really good chances.

Philadelphia Flyers - Vegas Golden Knights - October 4th, 2018

The Flyers had some good chances they didn't capitalize on as well.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

MacDonald was horrendous last night. Total clown show.

 

[Tripod]

As I said during the game, Patrick made many very good defensive plays. He even subbed on for Vorobyev for a defensive zone faceoff. On offense, not so much. But we have seen that line play well in the past offensively so I am not too worried.

 

[Magua]

MacDonald was horrendous last night. Total clown show.

He had every reason to ease him in was the worst part. Even if he believes MacDonald is the savior, he was downright atrocious in preseason. He saw it. Even pull-their-punches company men said he looked like he came back 4 weeks early from a 6 week injury timeline.

So, less than 1 week later, MacDonald goes right in as the #3 defenseman in game 1. And he was a disaster in the 1st. Still got his minutes. By sheer luck he was on-ice for 3 goals for, 1 against. It's serves as horrid validation. As has been shown before, there is no zenith of badness for MacDonald (or XYZ reliable player) to get docked usage.

 

[Striiker]

But you guys, Hakstols players EARN their playing time.

You dumb fans don’t see them at practice. You don’t watch the tape. You don’t study the players.