Rumor: Zucker's been shopped to Cgy, Pit, Arz, Vgk, Van ( Van one is worse than most proposals here lol)

[rynryn]

But funny enough, getting better now and probably in the future.

better than last year? sure, but we'll have a healthy Dumba and a center who can win faceoffs back, too, but i'm sure it'll be all because of Kessel.

 

[Marlowe Syn]

you never know...

i'll finish that sentence for you: ...if you're dealing with someone as out of touch with player value as Fenton.
unlikely, i'd say. Starting crazy high in asking is a cartoon cliche, not real life.

Actually my sentence was complete. When it boils down to it I don't disagree with anything you said. But I also don't know what was said in the Zucker/Boeser discussion as far as what really was being offered beyond. Maybe something, maybe nothing? I'm going to save my Fenton bullet for when he officially trades away Zucker for crap. You almost made me a Fenton defender rynryn. Well played.

 

[Digitalbooya]

better than last year? sure, but we'll have a healthy Dumba and a center who can win faceoffs back, too, but i'm sure it'll be all because of Kessel.

I’m saying Kessel is better than Zucker now and moving forward.

 

[Mancini79]

He’d look good in Colorado if Wild ever contemplates trading him here.

Jost or 16th Overall. Preferably Tyson Jost.

 

[2Pair]

well aside from wanting/needing to get younger and faster. Phil isn't a turtle but we're going the wrong direction if that was his plan.

Kessel makes the team much faster

 

[2Pair]

Jost or 16th Overall. Preferably Tyson Jost.

The last thing the Wild needs is a left handed 3rd liner

 

[rynryn]

Actually my sentence was complete. When it boils down to it I don't disagree with anything you said. But I also don't know what was said in the Zucker/Boeser discussion as far as what really was being offered beyond. Maybe something, maybe nothing? I'm going to save my Fenton bullet for when he officially trades away Zucker for crap. You almost made me a Fenton defender rynryn. Well played.

yeah i'm over-doing it on the negative bent and like i've said since he started this...Don't know what his ultimate plan is (other than what he's said about getting younger) and who knows what he's got outlined in his five-year plan. What he said was he liked out top four D and wanted to build on that, and that we needed to get younger. What the owner said is he expects to be in the playoffs, so Fenton is a little tied up as far as what he can do to do all that and i don't know how much time he has but it has to be more than a couple years, so he HAS to have a long term goal in mind where the team gets where he wants it to go. In the meantime though i'll continue to scratch my head. Hope at the end of the year it all works out well for us.

 

[Mancini79]

The last thing the Wild needs is a left handed 3rd liner

I stand corrected. Yeah, if there’s some names still on the board at 16th or just taking the best player available from an asset perspective we would be better off.

 

[Bazeek]

yeah i'm over-doing it on the negative bent and like i've said since he started this...Don't know what his ultimate plan is (other than what he's said about getting younger) and who knows what he's got outlined in his five-year plan. What he said was he liked out top four D and wanted to build on that, and that we needed to get younger. What the owner said is he expects to be in the playoffs, so Fenton is a little tied up as far as what he can do to do all that and i don't know how much time he has but it has to be more than a couple years, so he HAS to have a long term goal in mind where the team gets where he wants it to go. In the meantime though i'll continue to scratch my head. Hope at the end of the year it all works out well for us.

I could be way wrong, but I think next year is largely a bridge year until 2020-21 when Kaprizov comes over. If he can shape the team into one that's good enough to make the playoffs with a Kaprizov-shaped hole on the 1st line he'll be in good shape.

I am less than convinced that he's anywhere close to that, but we'll see. Zucker for Kessel would've been a huge step in that direction though.

 

[rynryn]

i'm perfectly fine with not making the playoffs next year if it helps us for the prime Kaprizov era as long as the team isn't gutted of its younger good potential players.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

well aside from wanting/needing to get younger and faster. Phil isn't a turtle but we're going the wrong direction if that was his plan.

Younger and better. Phil fits the latter.

 

[rynryn]

so what's the deal with the signing bonus thing...do we have to pay that the last two seasons or are we just handing him $1m in real money? because i can see the attraction for an owner.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

so what's the deal with the signing bonus thing...do we have to pay that the last two seasons or are we just handing him $1m in real money? because i can see the attraction for an owner.

Signing bonuses are paid on July 1.

 

[rynryn]

Signing bonuses are paid on July 1.

seems a little hinky that the signing bonus money wouldn't be paid by the signing team. just wording i'm sure. but it would have been great for an owner if we only had to pay him his base salary the last couple years.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

seems a little hinky that the signing bonus money wouldn't be paid by the signing team. just wording i'm sure. but it would have been great for an owner if we only had to pay him his base salary the last couple years.

It’s a time value of money thing, and a lockout protection thing.

 

[rynryn]

lockout protection and money for the player sure, but if you structure a deal (as a gm) with signing "bonuses" it makes sense to me calling them bonuses for signing it should be the original team. player gets the money either way--i don't have any problem with that.

 

[Tryblot]

I guess you never watched Revenge of the Nerds!

And sometimes gms trade forsberg for erat.

 

[2Pair]

lockout protection and money for the player sure, but if you structure a deal (as a gm) with signing "bonuses" it makes sense to me calling them bonuses for signing it should be the original team. player gets the money either way--i don't have any problem with that.

They're not really "signing" bonuses. "roster bonus" would be the proper term

 

[THE Green Man]

Parise, Fiala, Donato, Zucker, Greenway, Foligno. All left wingers. Parise has a NMC. Fenton loves Fiala and both he and Donato were just traded for. Greenway would be an interesting discussion if someone would put an equal center or right winger on the table.

Wouldn't consider him as equal to Zucker at all but would there be any interest in Sutter? At least he's a right hand shot and plays centre which sounds like is a position of need.

 

[Bazeek]

Wouldn't consider him as equal to Zucker at all but would there be any interest in Sutter? At least he's a right hand shot and plays centre which sounds like is a position of need.

No. We're actually up to our ears in bottom-6 centers.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Wouldn't consider him as equal to Zucker at all but would there be any interest in Sutter? At least he's a right hand shot and plays centre which sounds like is a position of need.

For Victor Rask, yeah.

 

[THE Green Man]

No. We're actually up to our ears in bottom-6 centers.

For Victor Rask, yeah.

Fair enough, I figured I'd ask. For us we want to open up a spot for Gaudette so it wouldn't really make sense for a bottom 6 player to come back in the deal either.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Fair enough, I figured I'd ask. For us we want to open up a spot for Gaudette so it wouldn't really make sense for a bottom 6 player to come back in the deal either.

Sutter is a cap dump so I’m not exactly sure what kind of deal you had in mind.

 

[Stephen Gionta]

What would it take from New Jersey to acquire Zucker?

John Quenneville + 2019 draft 55th overall pick + 2020 4th round pick
FOR
Jason Zucker + Victor Rask

Is that fair?

 

[Digitalbooya]

What would it take from New Jersey to acquire Zucker?

John Quenneville + 2019 draft 55th overall pick + 2019 draft 70th overall pick

Is that fair?

I don’t have an answer to the first question.

I wouldn’t accept that offer. The rumored accepted deals so far:
Frolik+1st
Kessel+Johnson for Zucker+Rask

Both nixed by NTCs I believe.