Post-Game Talk: Zibanejad worst Ranger since.....?

[chosen]

The evidence is that pro sports teams, hockey and otherwise, develop talent all the time.

Like... a player gets to a new team, gets new coaching, improves. This year with Lafreniere is an example.

I'm not going to give you a list of examples because it's everywhere.

Your assertion is bewildering. Yeah, pro sports teams don't develop talent.

Wrong, they do.

Did Quinn develop Zibanejad and Buchnevich?

They improved greatly under Quinn.

Laviolette inherited Laf and Kakko.

If you credit Lav with developing Laf, does he get the blame for the de-evolution of Kakko?

You don't see the failure of your logic?

You gotta make the playoffs again at some point. This summer and next is when they should be moving draft and prospect capital for legit NHL'ers to build an actual team to supplement their high end youth.

Does anyone believe Lindgren moves the needle to playoff team?

 

[will1066]

But he's on TNT

I believe you're confusing the networks. Or Hall of Famers.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Did Quinn develp Zibanejad and Buchnevich?

They improved greatly under Quinn.

Laviolette inherited Laf and Kakko.

If you credit Lav with developing Laf, does he get the blame for the de-evolution of Kakko?

You don't see the failure of your logic?



Does anyone believe Lindgren moves the needle to playoff team?

Kreider scored 52 goals because Gallant developed the shit out of him. I've learned that development around these parts means young players should automatically get first line and first PP assignments and not be expected to play defense, regardless if they're ready for it or not. It's either that or the coach and the organization ruined them.

 

[ArPanet]

Mika is still playing at a higher level than Brad Richards was at when we made the finals. Again I don't see a problem at the top end of the lineup (Besides Trouba being overpaid and overplayed)

It's the depth. Bonino and Goodrow have been anchors on the bottom 6. If Chytil returns and you're a 3 line team again, it goes a long way for matchups.

 

[will1066]

"Bonino and Goodrow 2 on 1...."

 

[Profet]

"Bonino and Goodrow 2 on 1...."

We're safe...

In that situation no one scores.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Did Quinn develop Zibanejad and Buchnevich?

They improved greatly under Quinn.

Laviolette inherited Laf and Kakko.

If you credit Lav with developing Laf, does he get the blame for the de-evolution of Kakko?

You don't see the failure of your logic?



Does anyone believe Lindgren moves the needle to playoff team?

Not by himself no.

 

[chosen]

Kreider scored 52 goals because Gallant developed the shit out of him. I've learned that development around these parts means young players should automatically get first line and first PP assignments and not be expected to play defense, regardless if they're ready for it or not. It's either that or the coach and the organization ruined them.

And Laviolette undeveloped him?

Another poster says Laviolette developed Lav.

So coaches may develop some players and devolve others?

 

[bobbop]

I'm missing something. Why would Arizona want Lindgren?

They need a veteran stay at home presence. I don’t see an in season move but maybe during the summer.

 

[chosen]

And Laviolette undeveloped him?

Another poster says Laviolette developed Lav.

So coaches may develop some players and devolve others?

I think Lindgren is a good 3rd pair guy and his inabilty to figure out how not to get belted every game is a disaster waiting to happen.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

And Laviolette undeveloped him?

Another poster says Laviolette developed Lav.

So coaches may develop some players and devolve others?

I was agreeing with you, it's all a bunch of BS.

 

[B17 Apricots]

It is crazy talk.


Imagine if Zib could skate like MacKinnon.

If you believe the difference between them is trying, you're loopy.

Where did you see me say that? I was making a very simple point. Good job

 

[TopShelfSnipes]

Lowest shot rate since 2017. Just sayin'. Averaging a full 0.5 fewer shots per game than last year.

And that's with the craptastic one-timer that's worked once or twice all year.

If he won't shoot the puck and wants to pass to Kreider, take Kreider off his wing. Mika can pass to Kakko and Kakko can play keep away on the wall until someone on that line gets bored of not shooting and decides to be a goalscorer. Otherwise that line can languish. Put Cuylle with them and maybe that will light a fire under someone's ass on that line.

And take Mika OFF PP1 and reconfigure it to get Panarin and Laf out there with Kreider Fox and Trocheck. Mika's been the worst player on that PP for the last 2 months and the first month of the season, and doesn't deserve to just sit there forever when everytime he touches the puck it's a turnover.

 

[Machinehead]

I don't know anything about fancy stats. Is this good?

 

[ArPanet]

I don't know anything about fancy stats. Is this good?

In Spock with a beard universe yes

 

[hardnosed]

They need a veteran stay at home presence. I don’t see an in season move but maybe during the summer.

That gives them one season before he's an UFA. I don't think there's any chance he re-signs in Arizona

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

I don't know anything about fancy stats. Is this good?

Laviolette loves Boner.

The Rangers higher ups love Boner.

Players like him are catnip to this organzation.

Old, washed up, won cups on a different team, slow, absolutely horrible metrics, looks like he's working hard because he sucks so much.

 

[will1066]

Seeing @Kravtsov420 's avatar, they should reach out to NDT for his opinion on the state of the team. He's a fan, and he's pretty smart, I hear.

 

[Kaapo di tutti capi]

"Bonino and Goodrow 2 on 1...."

I could have sworn I saw the lone Seattle D-man that was back checking his Instagram account during that play.

 

[hardnosed]

I could have sworn I saw the lone Seattle D-man that was back checking his Instagram account during that play.

The one guy back, might even have been a forward, just casually skated to Bonino and took the puck away.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

That was the worst game that Mika has played in a Rangers jersey. He hasn't been good this year but last night he was simply abysmal, along with the PP, Trouba, and Gus. You just can't lose this game up 2-0 in the 3rd against this team. You just can't. Lavy please make some changes and please stop playing Bonino. What more do you have to see? Gallant 2.0.

 

[LieutenantLackluster]

Most unlikable group we have had in a minute

 

[chosen]

Where did you see me say that? I was making a very simple point. Good job

"Imagine what kinda player Mika would be if he had someone like MacKinnon's competitiveness."

You're saying that if Zib had the competitiveness of Mackinnon he'd be so much better.

The point is that the difference between Zib and MacKinnon has zero to do with competiveness.

You're comparing Zib to one of the top 3 skaters in the world and saying it's Zib lack of competiveness that makes him fail in comparison.

Nice job.

 

[B17 Apricots]

"Imagine what kinda player Mika would be if he had someone like MacKinnon's competitiveness."

You're saying that if Zib had the competitiveness of Mackinnon he'd be so much better.

The point is that the difference between Zib and MacKinnon has zero to do with competiveness.

You're comparing Zib to one of the top 3 skaters in the world and saying it's Zib lack of competiveness that makes him fail in comparison.

Nice job.

Not worth responding to this

 

[Filip Chytil]

Huh?

Why are we assuming these skills are transferable?

Would we want Neil Smith lacing them up for us with a 'C' on his chest because he helped build that team?

Neil Smith today probably would offer more on the 4th line than Goodrow, so maybe Drury should do his due diligence and check that option out if possible.