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Larkin regressed both on the ice and it seems as a team leader. If we are only basing it on last year it would have to be Bert. But either way, I'd keep the captaincy vacant for now. Larkin really was a let down last year.
Possibly. I would suggest maybe Glendening. But in general, all the guys who belong in this conversation should be mature and understanding enough to step aside graciously when the time comes.

The exception might be when you're perennially a top Cup contender and you have a very close decision between two candidates. In that case I'd err in favor of letting the current C keep it. Other than that I don't think it should matter too much.
 

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Larkin regressed both on the ice and it seems as a team leader. If we are only basing it on last year it would have to be Bert. But either way, I'd keep the captaincy vacant for now. Larkin really was a let down last year.
The entire team was a letdown. I'm not basing anything on last year, other than being happy that Abdelkader, Daley, and Ericsson are gone (which is based on several seasons above and beyond just last year).

I have absolutely zero interest in waiting for "the ideal captain". It's a bad roster whether there's a captain or not, so if current players will follow Larkin, then give him the C and be done with it. Personally, I think even having one season without a captain was silly, but it is what it is.
 

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How much does Steve Y offer up to Cirelli as an RFA? Tampa can't even go 4.5M with its CAP issues. Likely 5.5-6M per for 6 years???
 

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That, and they could have advertising on their helmets. (Little Caesar’s, Roto-rooter, Viagra) got to find new revenue.
I mentioned this is a different thread, but several teams already have sponsors.

I would expect the Little Ceaser's logo on the helmet at some point, it's free advertising for Chris. (Or a writeoff, however he wants to play the financial game between 2 entities he owns.)

Of course, he could go after real revenue and wind up with something like Quickens Loans on the helmet. I would be very surprised if the team doesn't have some sort of ad on the helmet by season end.
 

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I mentioned this is a different thread, but several teams already have sponsors.

I would expect the Little Ceaser's logo on the helmet at some point, it's free advertising for Chris. (Or a writeoff, however he wants to play the financial game between 2 entities he owns.)

Of course, he could go after real revenue and wind up with something like Quickens Loans on the helmet. I would be very surprised if the team doesn't have some sort of ad on the helmet by season end.
Maybe an automotive logo: "Built Ford Tough" slogan for example.

Yugo, the defunct manufacturer makes a comeback?

Lotus/Jaguar, because nothing says blue collar Detroit like an import, British luxury brand.
 
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I mentioned this is a different thread, but several teams already have sponsors.

I would expect the Little Ceaser's logo on the helmet at some point, it's free advertising for Chris. (Or a writeoff, however he wants to play the financial game between 2 entities he owns.)

Of course, he could go after real revenue and wind up with something like Quickens Loans on the helmet. I would be very surprised if the team doesn't have some sort of ad on the helmet by season end.

Yeah I would be surprised too if they don't have some logo this year. European leagues have been doing this for a while Yzerman mentioned. Some euro jerseys I've seen look almost NASCAR like doubt the Nhl goes that far.
 

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Larkin regressed both on the ice and it seems as a team leader. If we are only basing it on last year it would have to be Bert. But either way, I'd keep the captaincy vacant for now. Larkin really was a let down last year.

This team was a f***ing mess last year.
On the ice, Larkin regressed, especially in the first half.
But he's playing for an amateur hour coach.
He's played way too many games in front of a goalie nobody could have any faith in.
And despite a very rough first half, no doubt influenced by a sore groin, he finished with 31 points in his final 33 games.

But how does one assess that he's regressed as a leader?
For one, I saw less embellishing from Larkin.
For two, I saw less whining to refs (despite what must have been a frustrating season).
 

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Yeah I would be surprised too if they don't have some logo this year. European leagues have been doing this for a while Yzerman mentioned. Some euro jerseys I've seen look almost NASCAR like doubt the Nhl goes that far.
Bettman is against jersey advertising for now. They went with helmets because stickers are easier.

Supposedly this is just an "experiment", but I assume it's permanent, just like every bad experiment.
 
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Maybe an automotive logo: "Built Ford Tough" slogan for example.

Yugo, the defunct manufacturer makes a comeback?

Lotus/Jaguar, because nothing says blue collar Detroit like an import, British luxury brand.
I don't object to an American manufacturer, GM or Ford. Seems like an appropriate fit for Detroit and the Winged Wheel. If we're gonna have cheesy advertising, it might as well be the least cheesiest.

Lotus is owned by the Chinese company Geely, and Jaguar is now owned by Tata in India. Funny how the former colonies wind up owning British companies. (GM owned Lotus and Ford owned Jaguar at one point in time.)
 

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I don't object to an American manufacturer, GM or Ford. Seems like an appropriate fit for Detroit and the Winged Wheel. If we're gonna have cheesy advertising, it might as well be the least cheesiest.

Lotus is owned by the Chinese company Geely, and Jaguar is now owned by Tata in India. Funny how the former colonies wind up owning British companies. (GM owned Lotus and Ford owned Jaguar at one point in time.)
Yep, I'm aware.

Tata's owned Jaguar since 2008.

Lambo is owned by VW/Audi, who saw that one coming?

GM should've kept Lotus.

Per Top Gear (UK) 75%+ of ALL the world's automotive parts etc. are manufactured in England. There's ~60mi. radius of 13-16 F1 teams/hubs within that space iirc.
 

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GM should've kept Lotus.
Wouldn't have mattered since they would have sold it in 2008 financial crisis, even if they kept it back in the 90's. Remember, GM went bankrupt, so everything they owned would have been sold. Ford sold Jaguar because of the crisis, and that division never made any money anyways.
 

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Larkin is the only choice, and this hand-wringing over future captain possibilities conflicting with Larkin wearing the C are.... silly. Something, something, bridge, something, when we get to it. Larkin would really have to fall off for anyone currently within the organization to be a clear-cut better choice. And that's not something you bet on happening as an organization unless you want to risk spinning your wheels for eternity.

No one here knows exactly why there was a delay in naming the next captain. Maybe they wanted Larkin to develop further in that way. Maybe they didn't want such a huge burden on someone as young as him while the team was still spiraling downward and ultimately bottoming out last season. Maybe some combo. Maybe something else. But this suggestion from HSJ and others that they should continue to wait is wrong. This team will still be bad, yes, but they are finally on the upswing. They will be better than last year. Next year they should be better than this year. And you want a named captain at the helm during the ascent. Accountability is about to become even more important, and Larkin has shown to be probably the most accountable player on the team (he is that way partly because this is already, and has been, his team.... just without the C). He's ready to be the one to hold others to account.

Also, his dip in point production for the first half of last season doesn't matter. It's a blip. Immaterial. His conduct on the ice has very much improved over the past several seasons, and his poise in public-facing situations is appropriate. And as others have said, the kid is a worker, he brings it all the time.

I like Bert a lot, and DDK is a fine enough player, but neither are "C" material. They are both complementary players and don't really have strong personalities. Hell, Bert stares at the ground 80% of the time during interviews. And DDK has major health concerns, which is unfortunately for him a factor.
 

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not sure how serious some peoples posts are but I'm surprised by the amount of people that wouldn't be satisfied with Larkin being named captain. Captains don't need to be future HOF'ers, they're just supposed to be high character guys that can serve as an example to teammates both on and off the ice. But it's not like Larkin is some grinder like Glendening, he'd be a top 6 forward on any team in the league. For the past 3 years he's been the best wings player on the ice on a nightly basis, Mantha comes close to this but only for the last ~80 games he's played over the course of 2 seasons. I mean Horvat is a captain over the much better player in Petterson, Kane and Keith didn't demand trades after exceeding Toews impact as far as on ice production/value goes. Remember when Seabrook had to calm Toews down in the 2013 playoffs after he started throwing a tantrum? captains don't need to be perfect...
 

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not sure how serious some peoples posts are but I'm surprised by the amount of people that wouldn't be satisfied with Larkin being named captain. Captains don't need to be future HOF'ers, they're just supposed to be high character guys that can serve as an example to teammates both on and off the ice. But it's not like Larkin is some grinder like Glendening, he'd be a top 6 forward on any team in the league. For the past 3 years he's been the best wings player on the ice on a nightly basis, Mantha comes close to this but only for the last ~80 games he's played over the course of 2 seasons. I mean Horvat is a captain over the much better player in Petterson, Kane and Keith didn't demand trades after exceeding Toews impact as far as on ice production/value goes. Remember when Seabrook had to calm Toews down in the 2013 playoffs after he started throwing a tantrum? captains don't need to be perfect...

Yep.
Yzerman is considered one of the all-time great NHL captains.
Ex-NHL referee: Steve Yzerman was 'disrespectful'
"I made it my business to step up and defend the linesmen whom he treated the most poorly, in my opinion," Stewart wrote in the book. "In Minnesota, he berated a linesman to the point where I felt awful for this guy.
"It finally reached the point where I asked to meet with Detroit head coach Scotty Bowman. Bowman told me Yzerman had been difficult to get under control. I asked Scotty to strike a compromise.
"Bowman had other players like Doug Brown, Viacheslav Fetisov, Igor Larionov and Chris Chelios, who didn't berate officials and could discuss penalties and calls with me without going over the top in a disrespectful manner."
Ex-teammates of Yzerman disagree with Stewart's point of view.
"He's (Stewart) trying to sell a book, right?" said Toronto Maple Leafs president Brendan Shanahan, a former Red Wing and the only player in NHL history with 600 goals and 2,000 penalty minutes.
"Steve had that fire in the belly, that relentless, unyielding will to win, but you would be mistaken and it would be inaccurate to say he was disrespectful. He wasn't that kind of guy. He held everyone accountable on the ice, even the officials."
 
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Yzerman was a whiner in his younger years. And he was already captain. Paul Stewart was a very respected official, but even he is probably exaggerating here. And Shanahan, well, he didn't play with Stevie in his younger, whinier years, so the hell does he know. He's the kinda character guy to defend his teammate though, so no surprise. In the end, Yzerman had a lot of growing pains in terms of leadership, which is not the least bit surprising when you're talking about a 19+ year old captaining an Original 6 NHL franchise in the 80s. I mean, I can't even imagine. But some people seem to believe that Yzerman was this consummate professional from the beginning. He definitely was not. Larkin, at this point and in terms of leadership, is way ahead of Yzerman when he was named captain.
 

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Yzerman was a whiner in his younger years. And he was already captain. Paul Stewart was a very respected official, but even he is probably exaggerating here. And Shanahan, well, he didn't play with Stevie in his younger, whinier years, so the hell does he know. He's the kinda character guy to defend his teammate though, so no surprise. In the end, Yzerman had a lot of growing pains in terms of leadership, which is not the least bit surprising when you're talking about a 19+ year old captaining an Original 6 NHL franchise in the 80s. I mean, I can't even imagine. But some people seem to believe that Yzerman was this consummate professional from the beginning. He definitely was not. Larkin, at this point and in terms of leadership, is way ahead of Yzerman when he was named captain.
Which could explain Stevie's reluctance to name a younger player as captain. WHo else would know Stevie better than Stevie himself?

I'm not worried about it because the team is finishing near the bottom with or without a captain. The team doesn't need a captain, it needs elite talent.
 

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Which could explain Stevie's reluctance to name a younger player as captain. WHo else would know Stevie better than Stevie himself?

I'm not worried about it because the team is finishing near the bottom with or without a captain. The team doesn't need a captain, it needs elite talent.

Elite talent is what it needs most, yep. But it needs a lot of things. And at this juncture, a captain among them. It appears Yzerman thinks the same. With the team set to improve it's time to start forging an identity. Having an organization-sanctioned face of the franchise is part of that.

It's not the end all, be all, but it's the right decision.
 

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I think Bobby Ryan's comments in regards to speaking with Larkin really cemented that D-boss is seen as a leader on the team and is looked to for leadership. The guy is clearly the only real choice for captain at this point, you don't delay that in hopes that you'll land a superstar with leadership qualities in the next few years. You're not only disrespecting D-boss, but you're disrespecting the guys who see him as a leader.
 

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I think captain will be good for Larkin and for the team.

Okay, he came up very young, endured some tough seasons and had the rare growing pain through that, but he's the guy who we look to for answers in game and out as fans and I'm sure his team feels the same about him as we do.

He is an intense guy, and that, on rare occasions, does cause him a little trouble, but that same uncommon intensity is also what makes him a guy who rises to the occasion.

I also think that giving the team a captain will let the team feel more grounded and less in transition, generally. So, it should be good.

There is a part of me that is a tiny bit apprehensive because they've given assistant captain rank to players in the past who should've had it taken away from them and they stuck with them ad nauseam. I think that's damaging (If a guy isn't earning it, give another player the opportunity and you might just create your next all-star. You can always give it back to the first guy if it doesn't work out and if the Wings take that approach, they can rotate Seider or whoever in as captain if need be)! But no, I really can't picture Larkin resting on his laurels. Larks is gonna pull through. That's my gut feeling.

I picture Larkin as captain as peak Larkin, Larkin without the desperation or blahs.
 
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