Would you sign EK to 8y x $12.0M? Full Nmc

[InTkachukWeTrust]

Plus IMO I think Tavares could bring out more people to the arena then Karlsson.

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

Plus IMO I think Tavares could bring out more people to the arena then Karlsson.

Karlsson is arguably the best defenseman of his generation, and probably the most dynamic since Paul coffey.

I disagree completely.

And an insane offense is nothing with a paper thin blueline. Unless Anderson turns into Hasek

 

[Boud]

Don't we have one of the worse defence corps now with Karlsson in the lineup?

Yes, so imagine taking him away?

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Tavares is one of those guys who really can't afford to lose a step. Getting him as a 27/28 year old and giving him a massive UFA deal has the potential to be a disaster in a few years.

 

[Goodbahd]

Trade him. Save that money for offense.

 

[Six Assets]

Trade him. Save that money for offense.

trade the ppg Dman...

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

If that’s how you want to put it sure. I just think having Tavares would be better for our future then Karlsson

Loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool.

Karlsson literally carried Ottawa to 1 goal away from cup finals. He put on a performance for the ages in the playoffs with arguably the greatest pass of all-time, on one leg.

Tavares hasn't carried his team past the 1st round.

Yet you say Tavares will be better for our future? Do you realize how dumb that statement is? No offense.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Trade him. Save that money for offense.

Yea!!!!!!!!!!! Trade a top 5-10 point getting in the NHL for..... for........... for .......... for someone who could potentially be a top 25 point getter in the NHL!!!!

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

We are not even 1 year removed from Karlsson putting up:

19 games 18 points + 13

and i am reading some of this atrocity.

For context, next leading point getter had 15 points + 1

Next highest +/- on entire team is +5

Karlsson IS THE ****ING TEAM.

 

[InTkachukWeTrust]

Loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool.

Karlsson literally carried Ottawa to 1 goal away from cup finals. He put on a performance for the ages in the playoffs with arguably the greatest pass of all-time, on one leg.

Tavares hasn't carried his team past the 1st round.

Yet you say Tavares will be better for our future? Do you realize how dumb that statement is? No offense.

I just pray Karlsson rebounds from this ankle injury. I’m sure he will, but you need to understand why I’m abit worried for his future.

 

[InTkachukWeTrust]

I’m not trying to knock Karlsson at all he’s a phenomenal player, I would just build the team a different way. There’s no I in team, you can’t just have 1 guy running the show. I prefer to build my team with the best centres possible and having Tavares Duchene Pageau Brassard Brown down the middle sounds pretty appealing to me.

 

[InTkachukWeTrust]

@ReginKarlssonLehner since you’re so for stats how many Europeans captains have won the Stanley cup

 

[Que]

We are not even 1 year removed from Karlsson putting up:

19 games 18 points + 13

and i am reading some of this atrocity.

For context, next leading point getter had 15 points + 1

Next highest +/- on entire team is +5

Karlsson IS THE ****ING TEAM.

I don't think anyone is debating wether or not he is the team, because he is - it's just paying a player that much on a budget can be lethal if it goes south.

I love EK. I honestly feel like he's the face of today's NHL, but I have fear associated with his ankle. It's a rare medical procedure, we won't know what type of player he is until mid next season.

All the Bobby Orr comparisons. Bobby had his knees butchered and his career dramatically shortened. Just saying.

@ReginKarlssonLehner since you’re so for stats how many Europeans captains have won the Stanley cup

I hate this narrative. Zdeno freaking Chara. The guy we should of kept over that other guy that got paid like 12 or 18 million in the AHL.

Erik got a Conne Smythe vote last season and we didn't even reach the finals. Geno takes it to a whole other level in the playoffs.

I think it's a odd coincidence. Just like how Canada represents 1/6 NHL teams and hasn't won a cup in 25 years (should have won two by now mathematically)

 

[Burrowsaurus]

@ReginKarlssonLehner since you’re so for stats how many Europeans captains have won the Stanley cup

One of the worst takes in hockey.

 

[GuyBoucherEvilGenius]

I'm extremely tired of the narrative from fans/media that Karlsson put this team on his back and "carried" Ottawa to within a goal of the Stanley Cup.

It's not true and it does a disservice to what a great team effort it was. Karlsson was great in some games - those stretch passes vs Boston - and pretty bad in some games - minus 3 in Game 3 vs NY with back breaking turnovers/bad pinches.

What about Pageau's heroic 4 goal game? Bobby Ryan stepping up big time and playing his best hockey in years? A young unknown like Claesson stepping in and being a steady force on D? Ryan Dzingel, Hoffman, and Turris stepping up with massively clutch goals? Andersons resilience? Etc. It was a total team effort.

Karlsson is a defenseman with generational offensive talent, not a generational defenseman. He can skate/pass/score better than anybody in the league on D. But it comes at the expense of his defense and it always has. It's why he can score 74 points and still be a minus 16 in a given year. Last year under Boucher was the most willing I've ever seen Karlsson as a defender, but that didn't last.

He's too much of a one way player to command that type of contract. For all the goals he helps contribute to with his offense, he gives way too many back to the opponent with his defense. His minus 23 is well earned this year. He's been downright awful at times - puck watching/chasing, not picking up his man in front of the net, caught up ice on the rush, making poor pinches, poor effort level, etc. And it has close to nothing to do with the injury he's coming back from. It's not physical limitations. He's never had great D-zone awareness and he's always taken risks to chase points. Plus it feels like his level of engagement and willingness to dig in and defend have been poor all season.

It's not a popular opinion because Karlsson is so many people's favorite player, which I get. But he's treated like a sacred cow by way too many fans and media in my opinion, and I don't think He's worth the type of contract being discussed.

 

[BonAppleTea]

@ReginKarlssonLehner since you’re so for stats how many Europeans captains have won the Stanley cup

That is one of the worst arguments in the game. But Lidstrom and Chara would be the answer, which would make it promising to keep Karlsson since it seems like the only europeans able to captain a team to the cup is those playing D.

I'm extremely tired of the narrative from fans/media that Karlsson put this team on his back and "carried" Ottawa to within a goal of the Stanley Cup.

It's not true and it does a disservice to what a great team effort it was. Karlsson was great in some games - those stretch passes vs Boston - and pretty bad in some games - minus 3 in Game 3 vs NY with back breaking turnovers/bad pinches.

What about Pageau's heroic 4 goal game? Bobby Ryan stepping up big time and playing his best hockey in years? A young unknown like Claesson stepping in and being a steady force on D? Ryan Dzingel, Hoffman, and Turris stepping up with massively clutch goals? Andersons resilience? Etc. It was a total team effort.

Karlsson is a defenseman with generational offensive talent, not a generational defenseman. He can skate/pass/score better than anybody in the league on D. But it comes at the expense of his defense and it always has. It's why he can score 74 points and still be a minus 16 in a given year. Last year under Boucher was the most willing I've ever seen Karlsson as a defender, but that didn't last.

He's too much of a one way player to command that type of contract. For all the goals he helps contribute to with his offense, he gives way too many back to the opponent with his defense. His minus 23 is well earned this year. He's been downright awful at times - puck watching/chasing, not picking up his man in front of the net, caught up ice on the rush, making poor pinches, poor effort level, etc. And it has close to nothing to do with the injury he's coming back from. It's not physical limitations. He's never had great D-zone awareness and he's always taken risks to chase points. Plus it feels like his level of engagement and willingness to dig in and defend have been poor all season.

It's not a popular opinion because Karlsson is so many people's favorite player, which I get. But he's treated like a sacred cow by way too many fans and media in my opinion, and I don't think He's worth the type of contract being discussed.

He is the biggest reason this team was in the playoffs last year, and he was by far the Conn Smythe favorite by every news outlet that exist going into that game 7 against Pittsburgh. It was absolutely a team effort, but they wouldn't have been there with another defenseman in his place. He was great defensively outside of one game that series, good the season before the playoffs and great in the WHC with team Sweden. While I agree that many give him too much praise as a two way god I also think you are giving him way too little. It isn't as black and white as good or bad defensively, he is a transition defenseman and those are taking over the NHL. Just look at prospects coming up just this draft - Boqvist, Hughes, Dahlin among others are all great transition defensemen. Speed, offensive pressure and breakouts is so important today that a lot of these new prospects are molding themselves after Karlsson in their own way. Defense is a team effort, and while defensive specialists have their uses they are not the cornerstones of teams anymore.
Karlsson will probably never play D like Lidstrom or Chara in their prime, but his game is complete in a different way (when he is healthy). Don't forget he had one of his worst seasons after the first foot/leg injury, it takes a lot of time to get used to a new foot with new limitations (or any other major limb for that matter).

To answer the poll: Yes, I would pay that. It might feel a bit like a gamble considering his injury and rehabilitation, but if he performs anything like these earlier seasons Ottawa will have a PPG defenseman that outscores most centers starting from behind his own net. On top of that it is very clear that he can perform like a true captain in the playoffs even on a broken foot. The downside to trading him away would IMO be a lot bigger than risking having him a few years too long at 12M with a cap system that increases yearly.

 

[koyvoo]

Easily. And you’re fooling yourself if you think someone won’t.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

Plus IMO I think Tavares could bring out more people to the arena then Karlsson.

I seem to remember, that during the playoffs last year, that Erik Karlsson was considered by pretty much everyone "one of the top three players in world" .... and Tavares was not among those three.

So I'll disagree and stick with Karlsson as the better draw, than Tavares.

Tavares would be a great UFA signing, but don't see that happening unless there was some kind of miracle that removed enough Cap Space off the books ...... but not Karlsson.

 

[Willy Stylez]

I’m not trying to knock Karlsson at all he’s a phenomenal player, I would just build the team a different way. There’s no I in team, you can’t just have 1 guy running the show. I prefer to build my team with the best centres possible and having Tavares Duchene Pageau Brassard Brown down the middle sounds pretty appealing to me.

Karlssons been the team for a long time, and if he leaves why in the world would Tavares sign with Ottawa of all teams?

 

[aragorn]

A few yrs ago it was the Hambugler's great play at the end of the season that got Ottawa into the playoffs more so than Karlsson & last yr it was Condon's great play down the stretch that got Ottawa into the playoffs again more so than Karlsson although he had his best season ever last yr IMO. Interesting that Anderson has yet to go on a miraculous run to carry this team into the playoffs & while he has played well in the playoffs it was the backups that went on both those memorable runs to get them into the playoffs.

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

@ReginKarlssonLehner since you’re so for stats how many Europeans captains have won the Stanley cup

You can't be serious?

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

I'm extremely tired of the narrative from fans/media that Karlsson put this team on his back and "carried" Ottawa to within a goal of the Stanley Cup.

It's not true and it does a disservice to what a great team effort it was. Karlsson was great in some games - those stretch passes vs Boston - and pretty bad in some games - minus 3 in Game 3 vs NY with back breaking turnovers/bad pinches.

What about Pageau's heroic 4 goal game? Bobby Ryan stepping up big time and playing his best hockey in years? A young unknown like Claesson stepping in and being a steady force on D? Ryan Dzingel, Hoffman, and Turris stepping up with massively clutch goals? Andersons resilience? Etc. It was a total team effort.

Karlsson is a defenseman with generational offensive talent, not a generational defenseman. He can skate/pass/score better than anybody in the league on D. But it comes at the expense of his defense and it always has. It's why he can score 74 points and still be a minus 16 in a given year. Last year under Boucher was the most willing I've ever seen Karlsson as a defender, but that didn't last.

He's too much of a one way player to command that type of contract. For all the goals he helps contribute to with his offense, he gives way too many back to the opponent with his defense. His minus 23 is well earned this year. He's been downright awful at times - puck watching/chasing, not picking up his man in front of the net, caught up ice on the rush, making poor pinches, poor effort level, etc. And it has close to nothing to do with the injury he's coming back from. It's not physical limitations. He's never had great D-zone awareness and he's always taken risks to chase points. Plus it feels like his level of engagement and willingness to dig in and defend have been poor all season.

It's not a popular opinion because Karlsson is so many people's favorite player, which I get. But he's treated like a sacred cow by way too many fans and media in my opinion, and I don't think He's worth the type of contract being discussed.

if anything, in the playoffs last year he showed that he could be incredible defensively as well, thats why suddenly people stopped using the ol 4th forward line on him.

Karlsson is the kind of player you do everything to keep, he's a top 5 talent in the league and probably the flat out best player this organization has ever had. I don't count Hasek.

 

[HavlatMach9]

A few yrs ago it was the Hambugler's great play at the end of the season that got Ottawa into the playoffs more so than Karlsson & last yr it was Condon's great play down the stretch that got Ottawa into the playoffs again more so than Karlsson although he had his best season ever last yr IMO. Interesting that Anderson has yet to go on a miraculous run to carry this team into the playoffs & while he has played well in the playoffs it was the backups that went on both those memorable runs to get them into the playoffs.

Remember that Karlsson brings you far enough to have certain performance push you further.

I do think think we have to consider trade offers and give it a serious thought. I think the dream scenario is waiting a year from now and coming to a mutually beneficial contract after seeing how Karlsson recovers after a good summer.

 

[HavlatMach9]

You can't be serious?

imo he's on to something. Last star D captain from Sweden won a cup, so

 

[Back in Black]

$12 Million??? He's as good as gone!