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Woodlief is just proving what I think about him.
The list isn't good? We, at Redline, doesn't care. As long as people talk about it.
The list isn't good? We, at Redline, doesn't care. As long as people talk about it.
What attitude issues? For a fact, he had NO issues with Quinn, just ask Quinn. I did. He speaks highly of Johnson, as does Johnson of Quinn. Johnson is probably the best character guy ANT team could find, you'll see. Red Line has no real knowledge of Johnson and they prove it with their ranking. Credibility just went right out the door.Kirk- NEHJ said:Exactly.
And every year, Woodlief talks about the players who will be drafted higher and lower than where he has them ranked because the Red Line list is about preference and is in no way shape or form a projection of who will actually go where on draft day.
There are things in play that Woodlief and his scouts don't like. Johnson clearly is the top talent among D, and they don't dispute that. But, they are ranking their list of players based on where they have them. Having seen a couple of the Boston Bruins' final lists after the fact, I think a lot of you would be surprised at how some teams look at character issues when ranking potential players. It isn't always about the talent alone.
In any case- Red Line acknowledges Johnson's skill level. They just don't like some of the attitude issues. No biggie. 6th...2nd/3rd...not much of a jump and they know he'll be gone before the 6th selection. Yet, we seem to have this discussion every year, don't we?
Hab Fan said:What attitude issues? For a fact, he had NO issues with Quinn, just ask Quinn. I did. He speaks highly of Johnson, as does Johnson of Quinn. Johnson is probably the best character guy ANT team could find, you'll see. Red Line has no real knowledge of Johnson and they prove it with their ranking. Credibility just went right out the door.
Kirk- NEHJ said:With all due respect, I said nothing about Johnson having issues with Quinn. Somebody else did.
As for attitude issues, I've heard it from a few people that he is a selfish player. No big deal. I posted what I read in an email from a source I trust. You don't like it? Fine. You are entitled to your opinion.
But before you take me to task on something I didn't say (issues with Quinn), at least take the time to address the right person.
Thanks.
Kirk- NEHJ said:I was vague because I have never myself seen Johnson play and rely on the word of scouts who feed me info.
Word I got from a recent game is that he showed some selfish play- sacrificing defensive responsibility to pad stats and then yammering at the teammates who didn't feed him the puck. That was from someone at the rink who saw it firsthand- just not a very good display of sportsmanship and character.
But- everyone has their own opinion. The skill is undeniable, and someone will likely take him 2nd or 3rd because chances are that he'll mature. This particular scout simply didn't care for the overt display of selfishness and attitude. If he does that on the ice, what is he going to do behind closed doors?
Anyway- not a huge deal to me. I have my sources and they are legitimate. And anyone who knows me understands that I'm not some internet jock who throws crap out there and then hides behind an anonymous handle or can't back it up. If I weren't in Iraq right now, I'd likely have much more info. on Johnson. As it stands, I have bigger fish to fry.
Hope you understand that I can go into much more specifics. Out of fairness to Johnson, I have NOT seen him play (as he did not make the WJC team as we all know). But, I would be remiss if I didn't at least offer an opinion as to why Red Line might have him 6th.
Have a nice Easter...
Interesting comments about Johnson being selfish. I have seen this kid play a ton all the way back to Shattuck and he has NEVER EVER been called selfish. I have spoken to parents and teamates, they all love and look up to him. He has missed maybe 15 assists this year alone by NOT telling the ref who passed it, like some others. I beg you to talk to his school councellors, coaches, teamates etc and get your facts right. The ONLY way you heard such a story would be from a jealous parent, plain and simple! I dare you to go back to Shattuck, ask Stafford, Smaby, Murray, then ask Skille, Mueller, Kemp, Stoa, Lawrence to name a few. To question this kids character is an absolute joke rooted in jealousy! I can say this because I have taken the time to talk to EVERYONE I mentioned. Try talking to Mayhew, Michigan's goalie, he played with Johnson at Shattuck, you'll get the same answers. I don't care where he's drafter or rated, but I can assure you this, he is one fine quality kid. By the way, he is carrying a 3.7 gpa according to his councellor. Johnson scored against Michigan, but the USA list has someone else listed, do you think he cares? He's all about team and character. This is the same kid that I read said "if hockey doesn't work out I'd like to be a Navy Seal" I am a big fan of his and hope and pray he ends up in Montreal.Kirk- NEHJ said:I was vague because I have never myself seen Johnson play and rely on the word of scouts who feed me info.
Word I got from a recent game is that he showed some selfish play- sacrificing defensive responsibility to pad stats and then yammering at the teammates who didn't feed him the puck. That was from someone at the rink who saw it firsthand- just not a very good display of sportsmanship and character.
But- everyone has their own opinion. The skill is undeniable, and someone will likely take him 2nd or 3rd because chances are that he'll mature. This particular scout simply didn't care for the overt display of selfishness and attitude. If he does that on the ice, what is he going to do behind closed doors?
Anyway- not a huge deal to me. I have my sources and they are legitimate. And anyone who knows me understands that I'm not some internet jock who throws crap out there and then hides behind an anonymous handle or can't back it up. If I weren't in Iraq right now, I'd likely have much more info. on Johnson. As it stands, I have bigger fish to fry.
Hope you understand that I can go into much more specifics. Out of fairness to Johnson, I have NOT seen him play (as he did not make the WJC team as we all know). But, I would be remiss if I didn't at least offer an opinion as to why Red Line might have him 6th.
Have a nice Easter...
He said that the information was given to him by a scout.Hab Fan said:The ONLY way you heard such a story would be from a jealous parent, plain and simple!
slats432 said:He said that the information was given to him by a scout.
Hab Fan said:The ONLY way you heard such a story would be from a jealous parent, plain and simple! I dare you to go back to Shattuck, ask Stafford, Smaby, Murray, then ask Skille, Mueller, Kemp, Stoa, Lawrence to name a few.
I wasn't taking a side....I was just clarifying.Rabid Ranger said:True, but (no offense to Kirk) it didn't seem like the scout was going on anything more than one viewing. Every player can look selfish on occasion.
Kirk- NEHJ said:I was vague because I have never myself seen Johnson play and rely on the word of scouts who feed me info.
Word I got from a recent game is that he showed some selfish play- sacrificing defensive responsibility to pad stats and then yammering at the teammates who didn't feed him the puck. That was from someone at the rink who saw it firsthand- just not a very good display of sportsmanship and character.
But- everyone has their own opinion. The skill is undeniable, and someone will likely take him 2nd or 3rd because chances are that he'll mature. This particular scout simply didn't care for the overt display of selfishness and attitude. If he does that on the ice, what is he going to do behind closed doors?
Anyway- not a huge deal to me. I have my sources and they are legitimate. And anyone who knows me understands that I'm not some internet jock who throws crap out there and then hides behind an anonymous handle or can't back it up. If I weren't in Iraq right now, I'd likely have much more info. on Johnson. As it stands, I have bigger fish to fry.
Hope you understand that I can go into much more specifics. Out of fairness to Johnson, I have NOT seen him play (as he did not make the WJC team as we all know). But, I would be remiss if I didn't at least offer an opinion as to why Red Line might have him 6th.
Have a nice Easter...
Yeh, at 170 he will get twisted like a toothpick. I think he will fade from Top 10 but not far off. I am amazed Latendresse has gotten so little love. He has played very well after coming back from an injury earlier. Can someone tell me why he is not Top 5?GagneOwnsYou said:I honestly cannot understand Pouliot ahead of Ryan..
borro said:Hey Kirk...That was an interesting comment. I was wondering what might have caused the drop in Johnson to 6th. I am a Caps fan and our draft talk has centered around Crosby, Johnson, Brule, and Price. Johnson has been projected as our choice in many mocks. Brule has been said to be too small for NHL rigors and Crosby gets the Q and smallish questions. Price gets the inconsistent tag. There is no way for someone who does not see these guys regularly to get a feel for these guys. The Caps other major need is a first class center. I think we fill one of the 2. My guess is we go Crosby if he is there, Johnson next, then Brule. The odd part is we are likely to draft #1 or #3 but not #2. I could see us having the decision (Brule/Johnson) made for us. If we draft later than #3 we may go Price. I would like to see us go Eric Staal or Bobby Ryan before Price. We could possibly get a Levasseur or someone of that ilk with our first second rounder. The question about Johnson is the impact his size will have on his game longterm and also if he does hav e a 'tude.
monster_bertuzzi said:Brule at 5'11 180 is not a midget like say...Marty St.Louis.
borro said:I'm with you on that one. He plays a "tall" 5'11. I don't think it will be an issue. You have to consider the impact a guy is going to have playing against bigger guys. The NHL is a step up. I have never seen Brule play but have heard him loosely compared to Dale Hunter. That's good enough for me. I also think Crosby's points are legit and Johnson is not an attitude problem and Price is a stud. Ryan being slow is not that much of an issue. It is a difficult decision but a critical one. I got a feeling when it is all said and done we(Caps) wind up with Brule. This does not upset me at all.
Vlad The Impaler said:What are the attitude issues you speak of? I'd be curious to know.
And are they reported exclusively by RedLine or elsewhere too? Cause if it's just them, I'm certainly not going to worry about what that bunch of clowns have to say.
Newsguyone said:I've spoken to Johnson several times.
He's as cocky as they come. He acts like a 17 year old would if he was one of the best young hockey talents in the world.
But that's what he is.
But I didn't find him arrogant or pompous. Just pretty darn sure of himself. And still humble in a weird kind of way.
I don't see any attitude or character issues.
What I have notices is that his physical game has been non=existent since being rejected from the WJCs.