WJC: 2015 — Canada Roster Talk

[199991]

That's fine. You guys are smarter than hockey canada. We can save a lot of money by not having camps and travel to scout these guys when we can look at a box score. I know Fucale will prove you guys wrong. Frankly it's not what have you done for tri city, Edmonton and Halifax but what you've shown for hockey canada. Small sample size or not it's the most accurate. Fucale will be there and is our best option. I absolutely dispose Montreal too and have seen Fucale play over 50 times.

Fucale had better WJC numbers than subban playing on a weaker team. Subban had a .934 that year.

So if this guy makes the decisions, I'll probably get the call tommorrow,I have 3 PPG in my midget AA league this year!

 

[sickest flow bro]

And how many times have you watched Comrie or Jarry?

A handful if that. HC has seen them a plenty. Time will tell that one stat doesn't define a player.

 

[cneely]

A handful if that. HC has seen them a plenty. Time will tell that one stat doesn't define a player.

So tell me what in your mind, outside of stats, makes Fucale a better goalie?

My opinion is that TC definitely takes him because of his experience. I think that's all he has over Jarry / Comrie and that in my opinion is a mistake.

 

[3 Minute Minor]

That's fine. You guys are smarter than hockey canada. We can save a lot of money by not having camps and travel to scout these guys when we can look at a box score. I know Fucale will prove you guys wrong. Frankly it's not what have you done for tri city, Edmonton and Halifax but what you've shown for hockey canada. Small sample size or not it's the most accurate. Fucale will be there and is our best option. I absolutely dispose Montreal too and have seen Fucale play over 50 times.

Fucale had better WJC numbers than subban playing on a weaker team. Subban had a .934 that year.

You can dispose of Montreal however you want, you're from Halifax & a Moosehead fan lol still a ton of bias in what you're saying.

I never said I'm smarter than Hockey Canada but Hockey Canada has made plenty of mistakes before. How dare I have a different opinion than them right? Hiding behind the "Well Hockey Canada agrees with me" bs is weak.

A handful if that. HC has seen them a plenty. Time will tell that one stat doesn't define a player.

Your stance on stats would be a lot more compelling if you didn't try to use stats against the other candidates, stats from an even smaller sample size at that. But that's usually the default response when the stats are so heavily against your opinion.

 

[sickest flow bro]

You can dispose of Montreal however you want, you're from Halifax & a Moosehead fan lol still a ton of bias in what you're saying.

I never said I'm smarter than Hockey Canada but Hockey Canada has made plenty of mistakes before. How dare I have a different opinion than them right? Hiding behind the "Well Hockey Canada agrees with me" bs is weak.



Your stance on stats would be a lot more compelling if you didn't try to use stats against the other candidates, stats from an even smaller sample size at that. But that's usually the default response when the stats are so heavily against your opinion.

Why because I'm disagreeing with stats saying Malcolm had a .934 and had worse numbers at the WJC than Fucale? Or that jack had a .884 and was the most highly touted goalie in years? Fucale has the poise and confidence about him that after allowing a goal he can bounce back. If stats are so meaningful why did des rockers get an invite with a sub .900 sv% and outperform the other three in the development camp? You can hate on Fucale all you want because he has a .886 but when has Comrie last played a meaningful game?

 

[3 Minute Minor]

Why because I'm disagreeing with stats saying Malcolm had a .934 and had worse numbers at the WJC than Fucale? Or that jack had a .884 and was the most highly touted goalie in years? Fucale has the poise and confidence about him that after allowing a goal he can bounce back. If stats are so meaningful why did des rockers get an invite with a sub .900 sv% and outperform the other three in the development camp? You can hate on Fucale all you want because he has a .886 but when has Comrie last played a meaningful game?

The alternative options to Jack Campbell were... ?
The alternative options to Malcolm Subban were... ?

The difference in Subban & Fucale at the World Juniors was .001 and he faced way more shots lol adorable how you state the stats mean nothing and then try to use them out of context immediately after.

 

[Heldig]

Jarry should be the guy.

Fucale IMO has played his way OFF the team. Poor numbers all season. In a short tournament you cant hope a player "finds his game".

 

[leafsfuture]

Jarry should be the guy.

Fucale IMO has played his way OFF the team. Poor numbers all season. In a short tournament you cant hope a player "finds his game".

Which is why you should invite 3 goalies to the camp.

Fucale, Jarry, Comrie. If Fucale is one of the two best at camp, than he should make the team, if Comrie and Jarry outperform him then no.

Fucale's play last year has earned him a shot at camp. But after that he has to show up

 

[ZeroPT*]

Stats are an outstanding source to back up what you've seen with your eyes.

If you can honestly tell me you've watched Fucale & the other top goalies throughout this season and think Fucale is in the conversation than so be it but it seems like people are putting more stock in a Memorial Cup won by MacKinnon/Drouin than Fucales actual play on the ice & the stats that show it's been subpar.

Never have I said otherwise. Using them as a definitive source to judge a player is foolish. It's a tool. In combination with other tools (eye test, context,etc..) it is useful. But when posters say "player X has this better than player Y, thus X>Y" they look foolish.

Again, Comrie should be the starter. I think his very solid stats on a poor Tri-city team is enough to prove his merit. Fucale's pedigree should give him an edge on Jarry but Jarry has also been very good recently. A case can be made for all three.. Fucale could be there as a back up or so could Jarry. That is my stance. No amount of box score bickering will change that.

 

[Whileee]

0 of the last 5 gold medal winning goalies for Canada's U20 team had U20 experience and Carey Price was the only one that was a U18 starter.

Fucale was 6th among starting goalies in save% (0.902) at the last WJHC. It's not like his record in that tournament is that inspiring of confidence.

 

[3 Minute Minor]

Never have I said otherwise. Using them as a definitive source to judge a player is foolish. It's a tool. In combination with other tools (eye test, context,etc..) it is useful. But when posters say "player X has this better than player Y, thus X>Y" they look foolish.

Again, Comrie should be the starter. I think his very solid stats on a poor Tri-city team is enough to prove his merit. Fucale's pedigree should give him an edge on Jarry but Jarry has also been very good recently. A case can be made for all three.. Fucale could be there as a back up or so could Jarry. That is my stance. No amount of box score bickering will change that.

The guy admitted & displayed before admitting he hadn't watched Comrie & Jarry. The stats illustrate the point that Fucale isn't the best option for a guy who hasn't seen them because the stats quite accurately tell the story of these 3 goalies right now.

 

[Get North]

December 1st, 11AM PST: Hockey Canada World Junior Roster Selection - TSN1
December 5th, 11:30PM PST: 2015 IIHF World Junior Hockey Championship Countdown Show - TSN1

 

[MyNameIsNobody*]

Why has this thread turned into a bash fucale?

This is incredible.

Just awful.

He and comrie are good calm players and both should be on the team. I saw them both play during the summer evaluation and fucale was great. As he was in the ssssss

By the way I joined to say that.

 

[Mathletic]

May not be the place but how can a stat be used only if it supports the eye test

If the measure is only supported by the eye test then that measure shouldn't be used at all.

 

[penguins2946*]

Why has this thread turned into a bash fucale?

This is incredible.

Just awful.

He and comrie are good calm players and both should be on the team. I saw them both play during the summer evaluation and fucale was great. As he was in the ssssss

By the way I joined to say that.

Because Fucale isn't that good, and he will get a free pass onto the WJC while doing nothing to justify that spot. Playing great in 1 game and in summer evaluations is great and all, but his play in his league has been anything but great. He's going to make the team without a doubt due to him being on the team last year (probably him and Comrie), but that doesn't mean it's not stupid.

 

[arsmaster*]

We should make a thread just for team Canada goalies.

 

[allan5oh]

We should make a thread just for team Canada goalies.

Here:

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1784835

Added a poll too

 

[Unfriendly Ghost]

So if this guy makes the decisions, I'll probably get the call tommorrow,I have 3 PPG in my midget AA league this year!

I'm sure Hockey Canada is more interested in how many points you get in a AA league for normal sized people.

 

[Dodospice]

For everyone on here bashing Fucale about his stats, he is playing in front of a horrible Mooseheads defence this year. The team plays a wide open style, and that leaves Fucale out to dry. Of the 6 defence with the most games played this year for them 4 are rookies, Hardie and Murphy have been the only regulars in the lineup and both are better suited for the 3-4 role on a good team. Maybe 2nd if you want to push it.

He really is being left out to dry, and I believe that with a better defence in front of him (like at the WJC) that he will be a big difference maker.

 

[1Gold Standard]

Which is why you should invite 3 goalies to the camp.

Fucale, Jarry, Comrie. If Fucale is one of the two best at camp, than he should make the team, if Comrie and Jarry outperform him then no.

Fucale's play last year has earned him a shot at camp. But after that he has to show up

invite 4 to the selection camp! I don't get the big deal... you are permitted to name 3 goalies to the roster. HC insisting on only 2 is just them shooting themselves in the foot, AGAIN. If they invite only 2 (Fucale being 1) and give the #1 spot to him only because he's a returnee, and TC goaltending proves to be subpar again, I know I'll be busting a gut laughing at the incompetent boobs working at Hockey Canada. because they have clearly demonstrated a great deal of incompetence over the past several years and tournaments, but this will certainly be their Pièce de résistance. (and it's by no coincidence I finished this post in French.)

 

[Ringing Iron]

Fucale is Canada's best option. Comrie, Jarry and Desrosiers are close but this is Fucale's team

 

[JayKing]

@StephRDSJunior: Comme l'an passe seul 2 GB invites donc confirmés dans l'equipe soit Zach @Fucale31 et @ericcomrie1 ils ont devancé Desrosiers et Jarry #RDS

QMJHL specialist with RDS says Fucale and Comrie are the 2 goalies invited to camp.

No surprise here.

Edit:
Bobby Mac confirms.
@TSNBobMcKenzie: Zach Fucale (MTL/Halifax) and Eric Comrie (WPG/Tri City) are the only two goalies invited to Canada's national junior team final camp.

 

[cneely]

For everyone on here bashing Fucale about his stats, he is playing in front of a horrible Mooseheads defence this year. The team plays a wide open style, and that leaves Fucale out to dry. Of the 6 defence with the most games played this year for them 4 are rookies, Hardie and Murphy have been the only regulars in the lineup and both are better suited for the 3-4 role on a good team. Maybe 2nd if you want to push it.

He really is being left out to dry, and I believe that with a better defence in front of him (like at the WJC) that he will be a big difference maker.

Comrie has been on a horrible team for each of his 4 years in the WHL. He still has never had a sub .900 season.

 

[UsernameWasTaken]

Fucale looked so fantastic last year, makes sense to gift him the job this time around.

 

[GuillaumeLetsundress*]

Uh oh is this thread now imploding?... I'm personally fine with these two goalies. Maybe some competition would be nice but I think they are instilling confidence in their guys early on which is fine with me.