Winnipeg Jets Prospect Thread (Part XIII)

[mcpw]

Both goals at ES.

Assist on the EN.

Great.

 

[Whileee]

How many PP, how many ES?

It didn't ever seem relevant with other prospects, but I think Lemieux updates should include this.

Both goals at ES.

Assist on the EN.

Lemieux is on pace for over 50 goals...

 

[Whileee]

Petan now with 4 assists. Why do I sometimes think that he's toying with the WHL.

 

[Mathmew Purrrr Oh]

Petan now with 4 assists. Why do I sometimes think that he's toying with the WHL.

maybe because he does so many ridiculous things every time he steps on the ice

#AlienHockeyWizard

 

[PhilJets]

maybe because he does so many ridiculous things every time he steps on the ice

#AlienHockeyWizard

I'm down with

Thorburn Petan Armia as the 4th line next year

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Petan now with 4 assists. Why do I sometimes think that he's toying with the WHL.

Because you know he could just as easily be getting goals but chooses assists instead.

 

[mcpw]

So...

Can small Petan really be a NHL center? I always thought of him as the scoring winger who keeps the 2nd line alive, as his ceiling. Thoughts?

 

[garret9]

How many PP, how many ES?

It didn't ever seem relevant with other prospects, but I think Lemieux updates should include this.

It's just that he has two red flags:
goal : assist ratio
pp g : es g ratio

Just one of these is interesting, but having both leads to some concerns that he may be having a bit of a "lucky" sh% year.

Example: Josh Morrissey had a huge amount of PP G last year. This year he doesn't. His ES G is not far off from last season.

 

[Whileee]

So...

Can small Petan really be a NHL center? I always thought of him as the scoring winger who keeps the 2nd line alive, as his ceiling. Thoughts?

Really hard to know what his ceiling is. His skating seems to have improved. He certainly doesn't shy away from physical play, but might struggle against the big centers at the NHL level.

 

[Mathmew Purrrr Oh]

So...

Can small Petan really be a NHL center? I always thought of him as the scoring winger who keeps the 2nd line alive, as his ceiling. Thoughts?

I hope so because he's much superior at C than he is at W

absolutely dominant in the neutral zone

 

[Whileee]

It's just that he has two red flags:
goal : assist ratio
pp g : es g ratio

Just one of these is interesting, but having both leads to some concerns that he may be having a bit of a "lucky" sh% year.

Example: Josh Morrissey had a huge amount of PP G last year. This year he doesn't. His ES G is not far off from last season.

What is his sh% this year? Doesn't the OHL keep those stats?

 

[Mathmew Purrrr Oh]

What is his sh% this year? Doesn't the OHL keep those stats?

I think only the Q does

 

[garret9]

What is his sh% this year? Doesn't the OHL keep those stats?

No
Neither does W.


Q does though.

 

[mcpw]

It's just that he has two red flags:
goal : assist ratio
pp g : es g ratio

Just one of these is interesting, but having both leads to some concerns that he may be having a bit of a "lucky" sh% year.

Example: Josh Morrissey had a huge amount of PP G last year. This year he doesn't. His ES G is not far off from last season.

So PP-ES is not that interesting?

Not trying to challenge your opinion. I follow the Oilers a bit, and I know that RNH was always known to be a great PP scorer. ES not too much.

 

[garret9]

So PP-ES is not that interesting?

Not trying to challenge your opinion. I follow the Oilers a bit, and I know that RNH was always known to be a great PP scorer. ES not too much.

It's has to do with relative odds.

Odds are a guy with slanted point distribution is more lucky than one whose isn't.
Lemieux having both that and the G/A ratio increases the odds again.

There is the chance though that it is a skill, like RNH, or Ovi. Just more often than not it isn't.

 

[Whileee]

It's has to do with relative odds.

Odds are a guy with slanted point distribution is more lucky than one whose isn't.
Lemieux having both that and the G/A ratio increases the odds again.

There is the chance though that it is a skill, like RNH, or Ovi. Just more often than not it isn't.

In his first two OHL seasons combined, Lemieux was 33g 34a, including 27g 26a in his draft season. This season seems to be a bit extreme.

 

[garret9]

In his first two OHL seasons combined, Lemieux was 33g 34a, including 27g 26a in his draft season. This season seems to be a bit extreme.

aye, hence the concern...

Who knows though... maybe he is a PP goal scoring specialist but hasn't gotten PP time until this season?

You never know.

 

[jetkarma*]

Not to say they are same level of talent or that he will be the near equal of his father but their stats to date are extremely similar. Different eras as well but number wise goals and points are very close.


1982-83 Trois Rivieres Draveurs QMJHL 62 28 38 66 187 4 1 0 1 30
1983-84 Verdun Juniors QMJHL 51 41 45 86 227 9 8 12 20 63

And Brendan's comparable years.

2013-14 Barrie Colts OHL 65 27 26 53 145 -7 11 7 3 10 16
2014-15 Winnipeg Jets* NHL Statistics Unavailable
2014-15 Barrie Colts OHL 51 39 19 58 132 -10

 

[Whileee]

aye, hence the concern...

Who knows though... maybe he is a PP goal scoring specialist but hasn't gotten PP time until this season?

You never know.

Lemieux had 40 goals (regular and playoffs) prior to this season, with only 14 on the PP.

Clearly, he has some scoring ability.

 

[garret9]

Lemieux had 40 goals (regular and playoffs) prior to this season, with only 14 on the PP.

Clearly, he has some scoring ability.

Wasn't saying he doesn't. He's still a good prospect:

(note data is two days old)

 

[mcpw]

aye, hence the concern...

Who knows though... maybe he is a PP goal scoring specialist but hasn't gotten PP time until this season?

You never know.

I'm officially declaring Lemieux to be RNH++

/thread

 

[veganhunter]

So...

Can small Petan really be a NHL center? I always thought of him as the scoring winger who keeps the 2nd line alive, as his ceiling. Thoughts?

If DD, Johnson, Roy, etc. can all play C in the NHL there is no reason he can't. As long as his game translates well he can play any forward position with his smarts and be successful at it.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

If DD, Johnson, Roy, etc. can all play C in the NHL there is no reason he can't. As long as his game translates well he can play any forward position with his smarts and be successful at it.

Agree but beyond that he would need to take a job away from another C. There is some doubt about whether they would keep him in Wpg. to play 3 min/gm on the 4th line. Or, if they keep him do they improve the 4th line and give them more time? There is also the possibility that Copp takes the 4C job. He may play wing simply because that is where the need is.

 

[CorgisPer60]

Agree but beyond that he would need to take a job away from another C. There is some doubt about whether they would keep him in Wpg. to play 3 min/gm on the 4th line. Or, if they keep him do they improve the 4th line and give them more time? There is also the possibility that Copp takes the 4C job. He may play wing simply because that is where the need is.

The idea is to improve your depth so your 4th line can grab at least 8 minutes of ice time per game. It would leave your main scoring lines fresher and better able to play during the game. We saw the effects of rolling 3 lines last night. Yech.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

The idea is to improve your depth so your 4th line can grab at least 8 minutes of ice time per game. It would leave your main scoring lines fresher and better able to play during the game. We saw the effects of rolling 3 lines last night. Yech.

No argument from me there! There is a question though whether the Jets and Muarice in particular are prepared to go that direction. So far he has elected to play the facepunchers over better hockey players. Swapping Slater and Petan while keeping Peluso and Thor on the wings is still a 3 min line and the rookie probably won't be as good a FO man as Slater. Petan - Copp - O'Dell might be a pretty good 10 minute 4th line. 3 centres!