Winnipeg Jets Prospect Thread (Part IX)

[Jet]

Lots of smiles. Glad they are having fun and enjoying their time here.

I am honestly so jealous of their experience. They worked very hard to get to that point but man... spending all day playing games and working out? What a summer!

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

Penticton lines for me for now:

Ehlers-Petan-Kosmachuk
De Leo-Lowry-Lodge
Lipon-Blomqvist-Olsen
Brassard-Walker-Hickman

Morrissey 'C'-Kitchton
Nogier-Kostalek
Hauf

Hellebuyck
Comrie

Stinks that most of the guys we have are college guys.

 

[Aavco Cup]

After the dev camp I think Petan DeLeo is more likely than Petan Ehlers. I see putting some size with Ehlers, either Lowry or Axel. Kossy and Ehlers is a lock..

 

[Huffer]

Sorry if it was covered, but any reason why the Russian we drafted wasn't in camp? Cost?

 

[Aavco Cup]

Sorry if it was covered, but any reason why the Russian we drafted wasn't in camp? Cost?

Not sure but KHL training camps open in August, and he is under contract to a team that would have to let him go.

 

[jetdiehard]

At the de element camp, I spent a lot of time with Marcus Karlstrom's mother & dad.
They said that Marcus was invited for the Penticton tourney.

 

[jetdiehard]

The Karlstrom from Sweden say that Marcus little brother is a much better hockey player then Marcus was at age. 13.
He is extremely fast and usually scores many goals in every game.
They are good friends with Jimmy Roy, Roy will be watching the young brother.

 

[ps241]

At the de element camp, I spent a lot of time with Marcus Karlstrom's mother & dad.
They said that Marcus was invited for the Penticton tourney.

The Karlstrom from Sweden say that Marcus little brother is a much better hockey player then Marcus was at age. 13.
He is extremely fast and usually scores many goals in every game.
They are good friends with Jimmy Roy, Roy will be watching the young brother.

Thanks for these posts!

 

[jetkarma*]

Penticton lines for me for now:

Ehlers-Petan-Kosmachuk
De Leo-Lowry-Lodge
Lipon-Blomqvist-Olsen
Brassard-Walker-Hickman

Morrissey 'C'-Kitchton
Nogier-Kostalek
Hauf

Hellebuyck
Comrie

Stinks that most of the guys we have are college guys.

To date , Lipon is a RW , Olsen a C , and Blomqvist is a LH shot but does play his off wing.

 

[garret9]

Olsen played wing last Penticton. Although without invites I'm sure he will be playing C this year.

Last year they but Lowry with Blomqvist to make a heavy line. Wonder if they will do that again.

 

[Sweech]

Sorry if it was covered, but any reason why the Russian we drafted wasn't in camp? Cost?

Probably not cost. He doesn't have to foot the bill like an NCAA player would. Plus I don't imagine the Jets would mind flying him (and likely even his parents) over as well. As they've done that for Karlstrom.

He is under contract already with his KHL team though and more than likely they didn't want him to go in case of injury or simply as competition for his services. As he is under contract with them he's obligated to do what that club wishes him to.

 

[Sweech]

Olsen played wing last Penticton. Although without invites I'm sure he will be playing C this year.

Last year they but Lowry with Blomqvist to make a heavy line. Wonder if they will do that again.

C is starting to see some more depth now with guys who are new to it: Lowry
Guys who play it but likely have futures at wing: Petan, De Leo
Guys who play wing, but can play C: Lipon

Then all the guys who naturally play C

Ehlers may also start playing C if he gets sent back to junior.

 

[jetdiehard]

The Karlstrom family paid there way to winnipeg and away to the Canary Islands this week.....they are not short of $$$.

 

[Holden Caulfield]

The Karlstrom family paid there way to winnipeg and away to the Canary Islands this week.....they are not short of $$$.

This is true of 95+% of NHL prospects. It's how NHLers do...

 

[Huffer]

Probably not cost. He doesn't have to foot the bill like an NCAA player would. Plus I don't imagine the Jets would mind flying him (and likely even his parents) over as well. As they've done that for Karlstrom.

He is under contract already with his KHL team though and more than likely they didn't want him to go in case of injury or simply as competition for his services. As he is under contract with them he's obligated to do what that club wishes him to.

Thanks. That makes sense. Too bad though, It would have been great to see him. I think these camps and the Penticton one could be even more important for a guy like him. I'm guessing the Jets don't get to see or talk to him in person as much, so it would have been good for both sides to be able to have the time together.

 

[Whileee]

I'm very interested to see how Ehlers and Kosmachuk perform at the rookie tournament. I think that Kosmachuk has a sneaky chance of getting some time in Winnipeg this season.

I won't be surprised if Lowry dominates in that tournament. I think he might be on a pretty fast development curve now. He started to put things together nicely in the second half of the AHL season, and when a guy his size starts to put it together, he can transition to the NHL fairly quickly. I think the main issue will be getting a bit quicker on his feet, though I think he already thinks the game fairly quickly. I wonder if Nick Bjugstad might be a comparable, though I have to admit I can't compare their skating accurately.

 

[Holden Caulfield]

Probably not cost. He doesn't have to foot the bill like an NCAA player would. Plus I don't imagine the Jets would mind flying him (and likely even his parents) over as well. As they've done that for Karlstrom.

He is under contract already with his KHL team though and more than likely they didn't want him to go in case of injury or simply as competition for his services. As he is under contract with them he's obligated to do what that club wishes him to.

Disagree with this. This is a guy who has yet to even fully establish himself in KHL. If I'm him I don't even really see the point of coming across for a development camp at this point. Maybe 2-3 years down the road when he starts to think about coming to North America it might be worth it, but right now there is zero reason for him to come to development camp when KHL main camps opens in mere weeks. A development camp in mid-summer means nothing at all in the grand scheme of everything.

Thanks. That makes sense. Too bad though, It would have been great to see him. I think these camps and the Penticton one could be even more important for a guy like him. I'm guessing the Jets don't get to see or talk to him in person as much, so it would have been good for both sides to be able to have the time together.

Why would a development camp mean the slightest thing at all to him? Even a rookie camp like Penticton tournament doesn't mean a single thing, I mean why would it? He is someone trying to establish himself in pro life in Russia and his focus is there. 2-5 years down the road he might be looking at crossing the pond, but as a guy trying to establish himself in KHL (which opens up camp in next 2-3 weeks btw, so Penticton is out) why does he care right now about Jets? He shouldn't. The Jets will come talk to him when the time is right.

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I won't be surprised if Lowry dominates in that tournament. I think he might be on a pretty fast development curve now. He started to put things together nicely in the second half of the AHL season, and when a guy his size starts to put it together, he can transition to the NHL fairly quickly. I think the main issue will be getting a bit quicker on his feet, though I think he already thinks the game fairly quickly. I wonder if Nick Bjugstad might be a comparable, though I have to admit I can't compare their skating accurately.

IMO, no not even remotely close. Bjustad is much better at every single thing there is in the game of hockey, IMO. Skating is a big one but pretty much everything is better with Bjustad. That's not too say I dislike Lowry at all, but Bjustad stepping as a solid #2/3 C with top end potential shows his huge amount of talent, not Lowry's lack of.

 

[GJF]

The Karlstrom family paid there way to winnipeg and away to the Canary Islands this week.....they are not short of $$$.

AFAIK, Karlstrom family was invited by the Jets. Stopping at Canary Islands on their way back home is a pretty understandable decision, if they take it as their summer vacation. They must actually saved money by doing it that way, their flight from Winnipeg to the Canary Islands probably was paid by the Jets.


Overall, the Canary Islands aren't expensive. It's not like the Caribbean Islands. Good friend of mine grew up on Tenerife and I've been to Gran Canaria, Tenerife and Madeira on a cruise with my grandparents, as a kid.

 

[Huffer]

Why would a development camp mean the slightest thing at all to him? Even a rookie camp like Penticton tournament doesn't mean a single thing, I mean why would it? He is someone trying to establish himself in pro life in Russia and his focus is there. 2-5 years down the road he might be looking at crossing the pond, but as a guy trying to establish himself in KHL (which opens up camp in next 2-3 weeks btw, so Penticton is out) why does he care right now about Jets? He shouldn't. The Jets will come talk to him when the time is right.

I meant it in a general sense, literally the very next line that you didn't bold.

"I'm guessing the Jets don't get to see or talk to him in person as much, so it would have been good for both sides to be able to have the time together."

That's all these things are really for anyway. I'm just saying he probably doesn't get to meet and interact with the team as much, so being able to meet people, and feel like a part of the organization may go a long way. Especially if he develops really well in the next few years and the Jets try to convince him to come over.

I understand it not working out due to the schedule and the proximity to the KHL camp though.

 

[AndersUlfBobby]

During the media scrum at last Tuesday's Development camp Paul Maurice said something that intregued me. He sited the statistic that only about 30% of 1st rounders actually play 100 games in the NHL. That sounded awfully low to me so I analyzed the drafts between 1996 and 2005 to find out how many draftees actually did play 100 games in the NHL. I decided it wasn't fair to assess the numbers after 2005 because it can take some kids many years to accumulate that number of games. As we know kids like Jason Kasdorf get drafted while in junior, then spend another 4 years in college, can take some time in the AHL and then finally take several years to get 100 games under their belt. So it was take awhile to get to 100 games.

So what I found for first rounders by year:

2005 - 20 of 30 (66.7%)
2004 - 22 of 30 (73.3%)
2003 - 28 of 30 (93.3%)
2002 - 22 of 30 (73.3%)
2001 - 24 of 30 (80.0%)
2000 - 20 of 30 (73.3%)
1999 - 16 of 28 (57.1%)
1998 - 22 of 27 (81.5%)
1997 - 16 of 26 (61.5%)
1996 - 15 of 26 (57.7%)

Total - 205 of 287 - 71.4%


I also counted the other rounds during the same period of time:

2nd round - 102 of 327 (31.2%)
3rd round - 87 of 306 (28.4%)
4th round - 56 of 315 (17.8%)
5th round - 44 of 325 (13.5%)
6th round - 44 of 295 (14.9%)
7th round - 42 of 309 (13.6%)
*8th round - 32 of 267 (12.0%)
*9th round - 28 of 271 (10.3%)

*Prior to the 2005 there were 9 rounds in the draft.


Incomplete counts for 2006 to 2014 (1st rounders only):

2014 - 0 of 30 - 0.0%
2013 - 0 of 30 - 0.0%
2012 - 2 of 30 - 6.7%
2011 - 8 of 30 - 26.7%
2010 - 11 of 30 - 36.7%
2009 - 20 of 30 - 66.7%
2008 - 20 of 30 - 66.7%
2007 - 21 of 30 - 70.0%
2006 - 20 of 30 - 66.7%

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

During the media scrum at last Tuesday's Development camp Paul Maurice said something that intregued me. He sited the statistic that only about 30% of 1st rounders actually play 100 games in the NHL. That sounded awfully low to me so I analyzed the drafts between 1996 and 2005 to find out how many draftees actually did play 100 games in the NHL. I decided it wasn't fair to assess the numbers after 2005 because it can take some kids many years to accumulate that number of games. As we know kids like Jason Kasdorf get drafted while in junior, then spend another 4 years in college, can take some time in the AHL and then finally take several years to get 100 games under their belt. So it was take awhile to get to 100 games.

So what I found for first rounders by year:

2005 - 20 of 30 (66.7%)
2004 - 22 of 30 (73.3%)
2003 - 28 of 30 (93.3%)
2002 - 22 of 30 (73.3%)
2001 - 24 of 30 (80.0%)
2000 - 20 of 30 (73.3%)
1999 - 16 of 28 (57.1%)
1998 - 22 of 27 (81.5%)
1997 - 16 of 26 (61.5%)
1996 - 15 of 26 (57.7%)

Total - 205 of 287 - 71.4%


I also counted the other rounds during the same period of time:

2nd round - 102 of 327 (31.2%)
3rd round - 87 of 306 (28.4%)
4th round - 56 of 315 (17.8%)
5th round - 44 of 325 (13.5%)
6th round - 44 of 295 (14.9%)
7th round - 42 of 309 (13.6%)
*8th round - 32 of 267 (12.0%)
*9th round - 28 of 271 (10.3%)

*Prior to the 2005 there were 9 rounds in the draft.


Incomplete counts for 2006 to 2014 (1st rounders only):

2014 - 0 of 30 - 0.0%
2013 - 0 of 30 - 0.0%
2012 - 2 of 30 - 6.7%
2011 - 8 of 30 - 26.7%
2010 - 11 of 30 - 36.7%
2009 - 20 of 30 - 66.7%
2008 - 20 of 30 - 66.7%
2007 - 21 of 30 - 70.0%
2006 - 20 of 30 - 66.7%

Interesting numbers. Thanks.
The rounds from 2 on are roughly what I would have expected but I am surprised that the 1st round is not higher.

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

I think next year if Draisaitl doesn't return to junior, Morrissey should be traded to Kelowna. If Tri-City still doesn't do well, I say trade Comrie to Kelowna as well. Would say Petan, but he'll be the face of Portland next year.

 

[JC Numminen]

I think next year if Draisaitl doesn't return to junior, Morrissey should be traded to Kelowna. If Tri-City still doesn't do well, I say trade Comrie to Kelowna as well. Would say Petan, but he'll be the face of Portland next year.

My homer vote goes for J-mo to Brandon (if he does not make the Jets), they will likely lose Pulock and need someone big to step up. I know he isnt the right hand, but he would sure help. Brandon looks to be a contender next year as well.

Top Jets prospect 20 minutes from me?

 

[Mud Turtle]

During the media scrum at last Tuesday's Development camp Paul Maurice said something that intregued me. He sited the statistic that only about 30% of 1st rounders actually play 100 games in the NHL. That sounded awfully low to me so I analyzed the drafts between 1996 and 2005 to find out how many draftees actually did play 100 games in the NHL. I decided it wasn't fair to assess the numbers after 2005 because it can take some kids many years to accumulate that number of games. As we know kids like Jason Kasdorf get drafted while in junior, then spend another 4 years in college, can take some time in the AHL and then finally take several years to get 100 games under their belt. So it was take awhile to get to 100 games.

So what I found for first rounders by year:

2005 - 20 of 30 (66.7%)
2004 - 22 of 30 (73.3%)
2003 - 28 of 30 (93.3%)
2002 - 22 of 30 (73.3%)
2001 - 24 of 30 (80.0%)
2000 - 20 of 30 (73.3%)
1999 - 16 of 28 (57.1%)
1998 - 22 of 27 (81.5%)
1997 - 16 of 26 (61.5%)
1996 - 15 of 26 (57.7%)

Total - 205 of 287 - 71.4%


I also counted the other rounds during the same period of time:

2nd round - 102 of 327 (31.2%)
3rd round - 87 of 306 (28.4%)
4th round - 56 of 315 (17.8%)
5th round - 44 of 325 (13.5%)
6th round - 44 of 295 (14.9%)
7th round - 42 of 309 (13.6%)
*8th round - 32 of 267 (12.0%)
*9th round - 28 of 271 (10.3%)

*Prior to the 2005 there were 9 rounds in the draft.


Incomplete counts for 2006 to 2014 (1st rounders only):

2014 - 0 of 30 - 0.0%
2013 - 0 of 30 - 0.0%
2012 - 2 of 30 - 6.7%
2011 - 8 of 30 - 26.7%
2010 - 11 of 30 - 36.7%
2009 - 20 of 30 - 66.7%
2008 - 20 of 30 - 66.7%
2007 - 21 of 30 - 70.0%
2006 - 20 of 30 - 66.7%

Awesome job. I thought the number was way too low as well, but was too lazy to check. Thanks for the numbers!!
Maybe our 6th and 7th rounders next year might produce something.

 

[JC Numminen]

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