Windsor Spitfires 2021 Offseason Thread (Part 2)

[OHLTG]

What has impressed me the most are how much the players have grown since the pandemic started. Cuylle, Birkett, Ride, De Angelis, and Abraham, to name a few.

 

[windsor7]

What has impressed me the most are how much the players have grown since the pandemic started. Cuylle, Birkett, Ride, De Angelis, and Abraham, to name a few.

Lets hope for no awkwardness in skating with the growth spurts.

 

[EON]

Hey guys good for you. If I may make a suggestion, ding the guys that seem to constantly instigate as well. There’s a few who seem to think it’s funny. Then a few of us, yes I’m guilty, get their backs up and call them out. Thanks!

I probably should be staying out of this since in 12 years I only had a couple posts removed when everyone did during the rumoured sale until a few weeks ago when I started getting warnings, multiple posts removed all based on responding to the content of the posts as the warning said I should keep my posts to.

Haven't changed anything about my posting and while my posts were deleted the posts I responded to stayed up until I raised a stink about it in the thread.

So people post trying to get a response and if people don't respond the post stays up. If people do respond the response is taken down and the initial post remains up until you publicly raise a stink. Makes it difficult to tell what rules apply to who on here so reporting would bring questionable results.

I don't agree with reporting people, if your big enough to stir things up because someone disagrees with your opinion then you should be big enough to be called out as well as big enough to know to move on when the debate is over.

Apparently not the case with some.

Now I'm sure this will be taken down in 3...2...1... ?

Exactly what HockeyPops said, if you want them to be dealt with, report the posts and move on, responding only makes things worse. I won't speak for nelli but I simply do not have time to read through every single post on this board and the Windsor thread, it's way too much. The OHL board is extremely active and we are the only two assigned moderators (though global mods can investigate when posts get reported). This is a thankless job that we do for free, volunteering available free time to try and keep this board a good place to talk hockey. Report the post and move on, if it breaks the site rules, the post will be removed and the poster will be warned. If the poster gets dinged enough, they can get banned, simple as that.

The Windsor board has a lot of very passionate fans and that's great, but obviously it does attract some troublemakers. I'm glad things are back on topic (for now), that's the last I'll touch on this subject as I don't want to disrupt the hockey talk more.

 

[hockeylegend11]

Lets hope for no awkwardness in skating with the growth spurts.

I have noticed no problems with Abraham,DeAngelis and Cuylle especially Cuylle
As for Ride moves well for a 6'8" guy
Birkett cant make a determination will be monitoring him as we move on.
McDonald despite 6'5" moves better then 1-1/2 years ago,which is a good thing.

 

[windsor7]

I have noticed no problems with Abraham,DeAngelis and Cuylle especially Cuylle
As for Ride moves well for a 6'8" guy
Birkett cant make a determination will be monitoring him as we move on.
McDonald despite 6'5" moves better then 1-1/2 years ago,which is a good thing.

The awkwardness does happen in a lot of players.
If they r playing well during practice thats good.
I want Windsor to succeed and continue to make progress in winning. Its been awhile.

 

[OHLTG]

I have noticed no problems with Abraham,DeAngelis and Cuylle especially Cuylle
As for Ride moves well for a 6'8" guy
Birkett cant make a determination will be monitoring him as we move on.
McDonald despite 6'5" moves better then 1-1/2 years ago,which is a good thing.

That was one thing I noticed at camp - McDonald has improved his skating a fair bit. He's quicker, seems to flow better, and had this determination about him. Let's hope it translates to points.

 

[hockeylegend11]

That was one thing I noticed at camp - McDonald has improved his skating a fair bit. He's quicker, seems to flow better, and had this determination about him. Let's hope it translates to points.

Yes and McDonald showed great chemistry with Johnston and Miedema
Miedema moves well for a big kid and Johnston has grown to 6'2" and he is the midget of that line lol.

 

[member 71782]

Time for the updated signed player/roster, prospects and draft pick lists.

All signed players HT and WT are taken from the OHL site.

All prospects HT and WT are taken from Elite Prospects so many are likely not up to date. If anyone has the current info please let me know so I can update it. I also kept only the prospects from the last two Priority Selections and U18 Drafts. If there's anyone know to still be on Windsor's protected lists let me know. With these prospects this would leave Windsor a few spaces on their 50 man protected list, not including the U18 prospects which I believe are a separate list.

All draft picks are from my own tracking and are for the next four drafts, as far out as draft picks can be traded. If there's any that are incorrect or someone has information to show the correct picks let me know so I can correct. I have all the trade information dating back to 2015.

Note on the draft picks, Windsor owes one of the three 2023 draft picks it currently holds to Hamilton from the Renwick trade. Once that has been settled they will only have two 2023 3RD RND picks.

ROSTER AND SIGNED PLAYERS

FORWARDS
TEAM	YEAR	ROUND	OV	NAME	DOB	POS	SHTS	HT	WT
WSR	2017	6TH	106TH	Daniel D'Amico	2001-01-25	C/LW	L	5'10"	197
PTB	2018	1ST	3RD	Will Cuylle	2002-05-02	LW	L	6'04"	210
WSR	2018	1ST	10TH	Jean-Luc Foudy	2002-05-13	C	R	6'00"	190
WSR	2018	2ND	25TH	Kyle McDonald	2002-02-05	RW	R	6'05"	216
OTT	2018	5TH	86TH	Matt Maggio	2002-11-25	RW	R	6'00"	181
WSR	2019	1ST	6TH	Wyatt Johnston	2003-05-14	C	R	6'02"	181
WSR	2019	2ND	41ST	Pasquale Zito	2003-06-01	C	L	6'01"	176
WSR	2020	9TH	174TH	Wylie Birkett	2004-03-05	LW	L	6'06"	210
WSR	2020	1ST	14TH	Ryan Abraham	2004-04-05	C	L	5'10"	164
WSR	2021 IMP	1ST	51ST	Avval Baisov	2004-04-26	LW	L	5'11.5"	187
WSR	2021	1ST	4TH	Ethan Miedema	2005-03-22	LW	L	6'04"	201
WSR	2021	4TH	73RD	Christopher O'Flaherty	2005-03-12	LW	L	6'02"	188
WSR	2021	FA	0	Oliver Peer	2003-03-09	RW	L	6'00"	166

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

DEFENCE
TEAM	YEAR	ROUND	OV	NAME	DOB	POS	SHTS	HT	WT
KIT	2017	1ST	13TH	Grayson Ladd	2001-03-01	RD	R	6'02"	181
WSR	2017	5TH	96TH	Louka Henault	2001-01-31	LD	L	5'11"	180
HAM	2017	2ND	34TH	Michael Renwick	2002-01-26	RD	R	6'00"	187
WSR	2018	3RD	45TH	Dylan Robinson	2002-05-03	LD	L	6'06"	206
WSR	2019	4TH	67TH	James Jodoin	2003-02-04	RD	R	6'02"	196
WSR	2020 IMP	1ST	40TH	Daniil Sobolev	2003-03-03	RD	R	6'00"	198
WSR	2020	2ND	36TH	Nicholas De Angelis	2004-05-22	LD	L	6'02"	192
WSR	2021	2ND	20TH	Bronson Ride	2005-01-14	RD	L	6'08"	193

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

GOALTENDERS
TEAM	YEAR	ROUND	OV	NAME	DOB	POS	CTCH	HT	WT
WSR	2018	3RD	59TH	Xavier Medina	2002-01-20	G	L	6'00"	171
WSR	2019 U18	2ND	25TH	Matthew Tovell	2002-01-24	G	L	6'03"	191
WSR	2020	2ND	39TH	Kyle Downey	2004-03-04	G	L	6'01"	179

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

PROSPECTS

FORWARDS AND DEFENCE
TEAM	YEAR	ROUND	OV	NAME	DOB	POS	SHTS	HT	WT
WSR	2020	4TH	77TH	Trevor McDowell	2004-07-31	LD	L	6'02"	185
WSR	2020	7TH	134TH	Emmerson Miller	2004-01-14	LD	L	6'01"	194
WSR	2020	8TH	154TH	Tyler Catalano	2004-02-26	C/RW	R	6'04"	216
WSR	2020	10TH	194TH	Kareem Al-Azem	2004-01-02	RD	R	6'02"	190
WSR	2020	11TH	214TH	Luke Fritz	2004-01-06	RW	R	5'10"	170
WSR	2020	12TH	234TH	Michael Mesic	2004-08-15	C	L	5'08"	140
WSR	2020	13TH	254TH	Josh Beiles	2004-01-14	C	R	5'11"	150
WSR	2020	14TH	280TH	Nicholas Vantassell	2004-04-28	C	R	6'03"	185
WSR	2020	15TH	294TH	Noah Mourneau	2004-05-07	LW	L	5'07"	134
WSR	2020 U18	1ST	14TH	Alexander Park	2003-07-17	RD	R	5'11"	150
WSR	2021	4TH	76TH	Ethan Martin	2005-03-25	C	L	6'04"	190
WSR	2021	5TH	89TH	Jack Greenwell	2005-01-05	C	R	5'11"	161
WSR	2021	6TH	101ST	Francesco Dell'Elce	2005-06-23	LD	L	6'00"	154
WSR	2021	7TH	123RD	Jacob Crisp	2005-01-15	LD	L	5'09"	161
WSR	2021	8TH	156TH	Gavin McCarthy	2005-06-02	RD	R	6'01"	170
WSR	2021	11TH	203RD	Tanner Winegard-Bartlett	2005-01-11	RD	R	6'05"	190
WSR	2021	12TH	236TH	Cole MacArthur	2005-04-19	RD	R	6'02"	203
WSR	2021	13TH	243RD	Kei Hagiwara	2005-05-04	C	L	5'08"	154
WSR	2021	14TH	276TH	Cain Tucker	2005-11-26	LW	L	5'07"	135
WSR	2021	15TH	291ST	Michael Cesario	2005-01-06	C		5'11"	159
WSR	2021	15TH	299TH	Max Frattaroli	2005-11-10	LW	L	5'10"	185
WSR	2021 U18	2ND	24TH	Alex Campbell	2004-02-23	C	R	5'08"	145
WSR	2021 U18	3RD	48TH	Colin Smith	2004-02-17	RD	R	5'10"	166

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

GOALTENDERS
TEAM	YEAR	ROUND	OV	NAME	DOB	POS	CTCH	HT	WT
WSR	2020 U18	2ND	34TH	Luka Dobrich	2003-03-13	G	L	5'11"	164
WSR	2021	9TH	163RD	Kenneth/Trey Augustine	2005-02-23	G	L	6'00"	161
WSR	2021	10TH	196TH	Joshua Branton	2005-01-14	G	L	6'00"	170
WSR	2021 U18	1ST	17TH	Tyler Bouck	2004-01-12	G	L	6'03"	175

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

PICKS

YEAR

RND 1

RND 2

RND 3

RND 4

RND 5

RND 6

RND 7

RND 8

RND 9

RND 10

RND 11

RND 12

RND 13

RND 14

RND 15

2022

> WSR 1ST

> OTT 2ND (DiPietro Trade)

> WSR 3RD

> ERI 4TH (MacDougall Trade)

> WSR 5TH

> WSR 6TH > KGN 6TH (Frasca Trade)

> WSR 7TH

> WSR 8TH

> WSR 9TH

> WSR 10TH

> WSR 11TH

> WSR 12TH

> WSR 13TH

> WSR 14TH

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2023

> WSR 1ST

> OTT 2ND (DiPietro Trade)

> HAM 3RD (Staois Trade) > KIT 3RD (Stanley Trade) > KNG 3RD (Vilardi Trade)

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> WSR 6TH > FLT 6TH (Pitre Trade) > NB 6TH (VIA NIA, Stevens Trade)

> WSR 7TH

> WSR 8TH

> WSR 9TH

> WSR 10TH

> WSR 11TH

> WSR 12TH

> WSR 13TH

> WSR 14TH

> FLT 15TH (Pitre Trade)

2024

> WSR 1ST

> KIT 2ND (Stanley Trade)

> BAR 3RD (Luchuk Trade)

> WSR 4TH

> HAM 5TH (Staois Trade)

> WSR 6TH

> WSR 7TH

> WSR 8TH

> WSR 9TH

> WSR 10TH

> WSR 11TH

> WSR 12TH

> WSR 13TH

> WSR 14TH

> WSR 15TH

2025

> WSR 1ST

> KNG 2ND (Valardi Trade)

> WSR 3RD

> WSR 4TH

> WSR 5TH

> WSR 6TH

> WSR 7TH

> WSR 8TH

> WSR 9TH

> WSR 10TH

> WSR 11TH

> WSR 12TH

> WSR 13TH

> WSR 14TH

> WSR 15TH

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[member 71782]

Reviewing the above Windsor has a relatively solid roster going into the season. They need a few upgrades to be true contenders and regardless of if this becomes a buy or sell year they likely don't move a lot of talent in or out of the line up.

To add to this roster they have the following picks available

4x 2NDS
4x 3RDS
3x 4THS
3x 5THS
7x 6THS

That's not a lot of draft capital for deals to be a contender.

Lots of young talent and based on the reports from those who saw camp at all lots who could be pushing hard for a roster spot next year which is a good sign.

Windsor will be in tough trying to outbid the likes of Barrie and a couple of other teams in the East for deadline acquisitions as well as a couple of teams in the West who could outbid them as well. While a solid roster Windsor is not a contender with this roster at this point. They'll be good, definitely should be top 4 in the conference but they'll be relying on their youth for contributions to reach that position so any deals that involve any younger players going out open another hole that needs to be filled. The lack of draft picks available for deals is going to hurt as well if they plan to add.

It will be interesting to see how this all plays out. The one thing they cannot afford to do is stand pat. They have full draft boards starting in 2026 and beyond, 2026 comes into play next season but they have no extra picks left over from past deals before the draft pick trade rules were changed so they will continue to be spin their wheels if they don't add this year and stand pat again. Just looking at Barrie who has around 20 picks to deal away in rounds 2 and 3 alone to make a run on top of probably the deepest roster to start the season.

 

[GermanSpitfire]

Windsor’s most pressing need is a top-2 defender. That being said Windsor has one of the best OA defenders in the OHL in Henault and he may have progressed significantly since the last time he hit the ice for the Spits.

Guys that could be fits are Daniil Chayka, Jack Thompson, Mitchell Smith and Lleyton Moore ; O’Rourke and Sebrango’s rights could be traded too but it’ll be an uphill battle to get them to be sent back.

 

[member 71782]

Windsor’s most pressing need is a top-2 defender. That being said Windsor has one of the best OA defenders in the OHL in Henault and he may have progressed significantly since the last time he hit the ice for the Spits.

Guys that could be fits are Daniil Chayka, Jack Thompson, Mitchell Smith and Lleyton Moore ; O’Rourke and Sebrango’s rights could be traded too but it’ll be an uphill battle to get them to be sent back.

This is an area we will disagree on.

Windsor's D has needed an overhaul for a while now but it still has the same basic core with additions and subtractions every team goes through. I like the additions but the remaining vets (Henault, Ladd and Robinson are questionable. It's a wait and see on how Renwick fits in.

Henault as always, IMO been a product of whoever he's had for a partner to cover for him. Ladd covered for him and he didn't produce a whole lot. Corcoran covered for him as well as gave him some nice offensive opportunities and he produced more. He always been a bit of an adventure when it comes to his defensive play, in the zone and out. As an OA there's plenty that are better out there.

Ladd has always been decent. Good at a lot of things, spent a lot of time covering for Henault but not great at any. Whiloe he is decent defensively he's not very physical. Like Heault, as an OA there's a lot better out there that can fill the role Ladd fills.

Both them being OAs you need more from them and the first couple of months of the season will tell if they've improved enough to be considered in that top tier of OA D. As of now if you're a contender looking to add top OA D to your roster where do Ladd and Henault fall on the list?

Robinson is more off ice issues than anything. If he fixes them he'll be a solid piece going forward this year.

Those you listed will be interesting.

Chayka I don't see being available. Guelph and Windsor I've been comparing for a couple of seasons now and before the draft Guelph was in a better position in terms of roster and draft picks. They're still in a better position with draft picks and if they can come out similar to how many think Windsor will why would they be considering moving Chayka? Both teams have question marks and both could go either way.

Thompson would be a decent addition. Sudbury looks like they'll be a couple of years before they make another push.

Smith I'm not really sold on.

Moore would be a decent add.

O'Rourke I think the Soo would hold onto him. They've become one of those teams that would rather make the playoffs then move a player and with an excess of OAs they'll acquire some draft capitol to support other moves.

Sebrango would be one of the top non OAs to add. Depending on what Detroit does in terms of D in GR he could be back. Not going to et on it but it's a possibility.

A few other D I would consider/prefer

OAs Perrott (OS), Woolley (OS), Xhekaj (KIT) and 02 Jesus (OSH).

 

[Teflon]

Glad someone is finally seeing what I’ve been preaching. This D is suspect at best… me, I’d be on the horn to the Sound, frankly I’d try for both Woolley and Perrott. Of course it might mean moving 1 young, another guy and a pick. Unless all the what if’s are magically better this is where I start. It lets the goalies play more comfortable and frankly it’ll help the offence. Clearing the net, first pass and big shots all contribute and right now it’s lacking.

 

[member 71782]

Glad someone is finally seeing what I’ve been preaching. This D is suspect at best… me, I’d be on the horn to the Sound, frankly I’d try for both Woolley and Perrott. Of course it might mean moving 1 young, another guy and a pick. Unless all the what if’s are magically better this is where I start. It lets the goalies play more comfortable and frankly it’ll help the offence. Clearing the net, first pass and big shots all contribute and right now it’s lacking.

Woolley and Perrott replacing Henault and Ladd instantly takes Windsor from top 4 in the conference to favourites in the conference if goaltending holds up.

 

[Teflon]

And what if you could keep 1 of them and trade a young project forward with other pieces?!?!

 

[member 71782]

And what if you could keep 1 of them and trade a young project forward with other pieces?!?!

They're definitely in the conversation. Both would bring something Windsor needs with difference being one has a bit more offensive upside and the other is a slightly more physical and defensive force although both bring a strong defensive game that Windsor is missing.

As far as Henault and Ladd, neither is elite and while Henault can add some offence he needs a strong partner to cover for him, he has no defensive game last time we saw him play. Ladd, while not physical is at least responsible on the defensive side of the puck.

 

[windsor7]

They're definitely in the conversation. Both would bring something Windsor needs with difference being one has a bit more offensive upside and the other is a slightly more physical and defensive force although both bring a strong defensive game that Windsor is missing.

As far as Henault and Ladd, neither is elite and while Henault can add some offence he needs a strong partner to cover for him, he has no defensive game last time we saw him play. Ladd, while not physical is at least responsible on the defensive side of the puck.

And ladd accident prone. Doesn't help

 

[member 71782]

And ladd accident prone. Doesn't help

It doesn't but hopefully a year and a half off helped provide some long term healing.

 

[FiveHoleo]

Glad someone is finally seeing what I’ve been preaching. This D is suspect at best… me, I’d be on the horn to the Sound, frankly I’d try for both Woolley and Perrott. Of course it might mean moving 1 young, another guy and a pick. Unless all the what if’s are magically better this is where I start. It lets the goalies play more comfortable and frankly it’ll help the offence. Clearing the net, first pass and big shots all contribute and right now it’s lacking.

I would wait until they actually played a game before deciding to deal for 2 guys on the blue line. I don't know how anyone could judge this after a single blue and white game being played. Suspect at best is a pretty harsh view to take out of one scrimmage game that meant nothing after 2 years of inactivity. If it's apparent that it's weak after seeing them play some games against other teams I'm all for making deals, but I'd like to actually see them be bad before deciding they are. Much like the old "ownership is cheap and incompetent" meme that dominated this board for 2 years, this take on the defense seems to be based on speculation and bias more than any sort of evidence. It could end up being correct in the future sure, but its impossible to judge that now and doesn't seem likely based on the returning players Windsor has, when compared to other teams. True story!

 

[Leviathan899]

Lets hope for no awkwardness in skating with the growth spurts.

Cuylle actually looks really fast now, looks very fit.

 

[Leviathan899]

Bowler and Windsor showing class by moving kid along to another team to play in the OHL.

Some say he can step in ahead of Burkett, Flaherty, Martin, Peer, and Greenwell, and must just be a timing thing.

Either way Kudos to Windsor.

Would like to see this sort of thing happen much more often, this is what an agent should be doing for these kids!

 

[OHLTG]

Woolley and Perrott replacing Henault and Ladd instantly takes Windsor from top 4 in the conference to favourites in the conference if goaltending holds up.

My question is - what would either one cost us?

 

[dirty12]

My question is - what would either one cost us?

And the 2nd Q is; why would OS move their leadership group for what many here believe are lesser OA D?
My guess to the first question is; more than it’s worth.

 

[GermanSpitfire]

It wouldn’t surprise me to see De Angelis moved in a package for an upgrade on D.

I also don’t know if anyone has mentioned this but Marc Savard went on a podcast an said Foudy won’t be back he then back tracked and said he doesn’t expect him to be back.

 

[member 71782]

My question is - what would either one cost us?

Until any top OAs get moved no one knows what the market is yet. The problem becomes does Barrie set the market, OAs or otherwise? They've got the most assets and a deep roster. They need a goaltender and a few complimentary pieces to solidify themselves as the early season favourites to take the league. If they overpay slightly for a complimentary piece than anyone else thinking of contending will be trying to outbid each other allowing Barrie to still win any bidding wars for a couple of major pieces.

Once we hit mid November we'll have a better idea of who looks to be all in.

 

[member 71782]

And the 2nd Q is; why would OS move their leadership group for what many here believe are lesser OA D?
My guess to the first question is; more than it’s worth.

OS still has to move at least one OA, I doubt they'll want to take any back.

In what is likely a year they make the playoffs but not get out of the first round they may want to add some assets, potentially a younger player who fits their time line a bit better. With Barrie heavy on assets and Niagara as well everyone else will likely have to include young players in their offers.

Maybe they stand pat with two of the better OA D in the league and potentially extend their time line a bit.