Why isn't norway good at hockey?

[Captain Bowie]

Small country of less than 6 million, and all the best athletes get funneled into other sports which get the majority of the funding, getting more athletes, creating a cycle of athlete creation. It's like a lot of other countries. They odd guy does come out of there though.

 

[Oilers Propagandist]

Good point on the speed skating, I would support more investment on that front.

Seriously, such a cool sport.

 

[SirKillalot]

It started with them being the front runner in stone grinded skiis in the early 90's.
Coaches and training environments, yes. We have probably the best training environment on the national level, and for sure on the youth level, as there are so many youths competing compared to Sweden.

Another big thing is that of 16 000 largest sponsor objects, the Ski Federation is the number one sponsored object. Hence, that's why they can found such solid program. Also funds from the national betting company program, which give back billions to sport every year. Of which the ski federation also get their share.

There is no thing as asthma doping. There is asthma medicine through spray. Even the winner in the 50k Niskanen use it. Finland and Sweden is just complaining on the method, even though the amount of spray inhaled is just the same as their use and just as their use, give athletes with asthma the chance to compete on equal levels.

Healthy athletes gain nothing by using asthma spray.

The only way one could gain anything, is if one ate the asthma medicine in food form. Which isn't being done. That is international research, so just leave it.

 

[Xokkeu]

The thing I love about this thread most is how much the Finns seem to really hate Norway.

 

[Knave]

Honestly Norway is just gaming the Olympic system to inflate their medal count. They focus on a few specific sports that have a million events because who the f*** knows why. Germany does the same thing. Hockey only has 2 potential medals.

I mean good job I guess... focus on the sports with little competition and a ton of events.

 

[SirKillalot]

Honestly Norway is just gaming the Olympic system to inflate their medal count. They focus on a few specific sports that have a million events because who the **** knows why.

Haha! Yet, it's the Germans who are looking to take their 6th gold medal in bobsleigh or skeleton related events today. Taking about 90% of the golds or something in those disciplines.

It's very country related. Given how the Netherlands is so good in speed skating normally, but not hockey.

 

[SirKillalot]

The thing I love about this thread most is how much the Finns seem to really hate Norway.

This. The Finns for some reason have an itch towards Norway. Being be because there was a Norwegian who were part of the team who caught the entire Finnish ski team of doping in their own World Championships in 2001 in Lahti, and they never truly recovered from it. Since then the Finns have an edge towards Norway, always claiming doping etc. When every insane argument they have have been rebutted. Also being the only country showing what they use and how they use it when in regards to the asthma problematic (which is a work related injury for most of these skiers who have gotten asthma, not only from Norway, but all countries. Those other countries don't reveal how they treat their athletes and keep yelling at cloud).

 

[FunkySeeFunkyDo]

Coast and half the population of Sweden, same reasons as Denmark.

 

[Albatros]

Since then the Finns have an edge towards Norway, always claiming doping etc. When every insane argument they have have been rebutted.

There's a lot of genuine hypocrisy in Norway about the cleanness of their athletes, as we saw with Johaug and some other dopers that were caught meanwhile.

 

[Xokkeu]

This. The Finns for some reason have an itch towards Norway. Being be because there was a Norwegian who were part of the team who caught the entire Finnish ski team of doping in their own World Championships in 2001 in Lahti, and they never truly recovered from it. Since then the Finns have an edge towards Norway, always claiming doping etc. When every insane argument they have have been rebutted. Also being the only country showing what they use and how they use it when in regards to the asthma problematic (which is a work related injury for most of these skiers who have gotten asthma, not only from Norway, but all countries. Those other countries don't reveal how they treat their athletes and keep yelling at cloud).

I don’t follow cross country skiing at all but it does seem to be viciously contested lol.

 

[Urbanskog]

Long frozen channels favored skating in the Netherlands traditionally, the Elfstedentocht used to be huge back in the day (and people would still go crazy if it ever happens again).

And field hockey is relatively popular in the NL. It's like someone should just suggest them to play (ice) hockey and they could be good at it.

 

[SirKillalot]

There's a lot of genuine hypocrisy in Norway about the cleanness of their athletes, as we saw with Johaug and some other dopers that were caught meanwhile.

If you haven't read the case, I'm not gonna discuss it with you. The Johaug was pretty clear. The Doc bought the wrong lipgloss thingy in Italy as he was looking for a special substance within the product that helps against her burns. They didn't bring the correct one from Norway. In Norway, the same product is without the doping preparat within it. The Doc missed it. Johaug missed it. They also put that they had used the item on the doping test form or whatever. Not trying to hide anything, because they didn't know that there was an illegal substance within the product.

CAS used 10 months to decide. Believing them on all accounts on how the event occurred, yet still gave 18 months. Oh, surprise surprise. There was a Finnish appointed judge among the three. The length of the suspension is a joke when given that they agreed with how it had happened. CAS used like 8 days to decide 40+ Russians future...now I do agree that she should get a suspension, but when they believed everything the length is a joke.

The other case with Johnsrud Sundby was a question of the rulebook. Johnsrud Sundby proved that their usage didn't get it above the illegal amount. Not sure exactly what did, but either way CAS agreed that the rules were not well enough written. It was a question of how equipment should be used and how much etc. Anyway there was a reason why it was only two months, as there was no intent there, just incorrect use of equipment according to rules.

 

[PTmbp13]

Too busy cross country skiing.

Plus they can do basic math.

If they handed out 97 medals for hockey maybe they would invest more in the sport.

hehe yeah true. But they do have a lot of swedes now in their hockey federation/coaches and stuff just like Finland and Swiss has have for decades and look at them now. Norway will rise. Best norwegian start in SHL too then try NHL. And their have money too, Sweden is becoming a crime scene. I have lived there for several years. Hockey is still in ok shape but Norway (and Switzerland, Germany, Danmark will make it harder for the top 4 hockeynations in 5-10 years.

 

[Albatros]

If you haven't read the case, I'm not gonna discuss it with you. The Johaug was pretty clear. The Doc bought the wrong lipgloss thingy in Italy as he was looking for a special substance within the product that helps against her burns. They didn't bring the correct one from Norway. In Norway, the same product is without the doping preparat within it. The Doc missed it. Johaug missed it. They also put that they had used the item on the doping test form or whatever. Not trying to hide anything, because they didn't know that there was an illegal substance within the product.

If you wish to believe that then you're of course free to, but considering that already the steroid packaging looks like this I'm not ready to agree that it would be clear. It's very dubious at best.

 

[Havre]

Maybe it has something to do with geography? Finland and Sweden both have hundreds of thousands of lakes. In old times ice hockey was played on natural ice of ponds and lakes. Norway has very few lakes compared to Finland and Sweden. Norwegians are mostly living on coasts of the sea, where ice is not suitable for skating or playing like it is on lakes and ponds.

We do?

You know there are more than 400 000 lakes in Norway? A lot more than Finland.


There is some ridiculous money spent on ski jumping hills etc. due to "tradition", but if you believe this is how sports is organised in Norway I suggest you spent 3 mins googling stuff before posting.

By far the most popular sport in Norway is football. Then handball. Some years ago (I´m not sure if it is still true) football was more popular per capita in Norway than any other country in Europe. But if you truly believe a 7 year old is running around in the winter with skis because it increases the probability of winning an Olympic medal - then so be it.

Norwegians just don´t care about hockey. Never have and I believe never will (at least relative to Sweden, Finland, Canada etc.). But hopefully one day our King will decide that instead of all this pointless football Norway should gather 100 asthmatic athletes to become the worlds best hockey nation as well.

 

[Havre]

If you wish to believe that then you're of course free to, but considering that already the steroid packaging looks like this I'm not ready to agree that it would be clear. It's very dubious at best.

Right. So if you are going to dope. You get this substance for then to write it down in the report that you have actually used it?

Johaug was an idiot and I got no problems with the ban, but I would like to believe if she was going to use PEDs she would be going about it in a slightly more sophisticated way. Not to mention the enormous effect that amount of steroids would have on her performances.

 

[SirKillalot]

The Norwegian team took 6000 units of astma medicine to Pyeongchang. In comparison, Finland and Sweden have about 600.

Norwegians are extremely good in convincing themselves and others that they don't have a systematic doping culture.

You are compering asthma medicine they might use to doping. There is no science that shows that asthma medicine give you any benefits or advantages towards everyone else. It will only give those who have it clear airways so they can compete with those who are naturally healthy in terms of their airways. Sweden, Finland and other countries have asthma athletes as well who also receive medicine to compete on equal level to those that don't have it.

The only way to dope with asthma related stuff is to eat it in big quantities, which Norway don't have with them or do.

 

[Andon]

You are compering asthma medicine they might use to doping. There is no science that shows that asthma medicine give you any benefits or advantages towards everyone else. It will only give those who have it clear airways so they can compete with those who are naturally healthy in terms of their airways. Sweden, Finland and other countries have asthma athletes as well who also receive medicine to compete on equal level to those that don't have it.

The only way to dope with asthma related stuff is to eat it in big quantities, which Norway don't have with them or do.

There are a lot of things in the universe that don't have scientific evidence, yet. That's kind of the point of science.

Science always needs motivation and monetary resources as well. Norwegians are never going to do that research, and others don't have the concrete motivation to do so.

 

[SirKillalot]

There are a lot of things in the universe that don't have scientific evidence, yet. That's kind of the point of science.

Science always needs motivation and monetary resources as well. Norwegians are never going to do that research, and others don't have the concrete motivation to do so.

There actually are several studies that prove that putting asthma medicine in healthy athletes don't have an effect in terms of spray. The same shows that those with airway problems gets up to equal with spray.

There are science that shows that the only way you can gain an advantage with the usage of asthma medicine is to eat it in food form in large quantities. That way it could build muscles. These are international studies that have been done.

It's the Norwegian doc team that brings everything. We have a large roster in many different sports. Its their responsibility to be prepared for a lot of scenarios. Most of the asthma medicine or other stuff probably won't get used. Only to those who have asthma and a need will get what they use on a daily or weekly basis. Just as other countries. Everything else is precautionary stuff.

 

[eviohh26]

They are good at horrible sports. Such as hand ball.

 

[Jon Riley]

There are plenty of studies about the (lack of) performance enhancing properties of asthma medicine.
Also, there are plenty of studies about the asthma incidence among cross country skiers. It seems that extreme physical strain while heavily breathing freezing air is not good for your lungs, who would have guessed it.
Cross country skiers, like a lot of top end athletes, are not healthy people.

 

[KDOTO]

A lot of it is physical size especially in the men's game. The tallest guy on the team currently is 5 foot 11 inches. The average is closer to 5 foot 4 inches. Against other Asian teams they dominate and can take on some of the weaker euro teams with success, but throw them against teams like Finland, Russia, or Sweden etc they get out played physically.

What where do get avg of 5 ft 4 from. They got like 4 guys around 6 feet and a couple guys around 5ft6. Their not the biggest team so there is no need to make them sound even smaller.

 

[VictorLustig]

They are good at horrible sports. Such as hand ball.

In what way is handball a "horrible sport"?

 

[MessierII]

Patrick Thorasen!

 

[eviohh26]

In what way is handball a "horrible sport"?

Its fun.. But lets be real here.