who's a worse GM- Chuck Fletcher or Kyle Dubas?

[Chips]

This poll shows perfectly how underrated Dubas is (fletcher? Really?), and the kind of intense reactionary takes that drive some guys like Gaudreau away from Canadian teams lol


Everything is x10. The less than ideal is “terrible, historically bad”, then you go on a hot steak and you’re the best team in the league and insufferably letting everyone know how much you overrate your team or players every chance you get



Dubas has played a big role in building one of the best Leafs team, and tho not every decision is great he’s far from bad. Also, people constantly criticize him for having given out term and money, yet they’re mad at him for not making probably bad goalie signing at like 5x5. there wasn’t any solid SAFE choices in net arguably, and the safest one seemed to already prefer another team; and even the freaking Avs would rather risk less years on an unproven goalie. That’s what his decision was about, less years. It’s a gamble but it’s moveable (or may get a chance to LTIR him) and there will be a new goalie market over the next offseason or two that will be easier to compete in than if you trapped yourself 5x5 to a goalie you don’t want.

Fletcher is just next level bad. All bad. He’s f***ing up the Flyers future and the potential they once had soooo bad.

 

[Buck Naked]

Anybody notice the percentage of the votes? It adds up to about 106%

You can check both boxes in this poll.

 

[A1LeafNation]

A GM inherited a team On a trajectory to 115 pt team and still can’t get it past the first round and people still think dubas is good at his job, you can’t make this shit up

So, you play the hand you are dealt. What kind of nonsense excuse is this lol.

 

[NyQuil]

The thread title asks who is worse and the poll question asks who is better.

I think you’re seeing a lot of confusion as a result.

Nicely done.

 

[Bouboumaster]

His regular season results are fantastic that's not why we want him fired

At least he has that going for him, can't say the same thing about Fletcher lol

 

[1specter]

HFBoards has really hit a new low man. There is absolutely no nuance of any kind when it comes to discussing Dubas, and I say this as someone who is generally indifferent on Kyle.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Fletcher

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

At least he has that going for him, can't say the same thing about Fletcher lol

That's true

 

[Buck Naked]

At least he has that going for him, can't say the same thing about Fletcher lol

Fletcher still won a playoff round though, right?

 

[Bouboumaster]

Fletcher still won a playoff round though, right?

Toronto are still bound to make the playoffs this year
Phidadelphia will be direct competition to my team (the Habs, worst team last year) for Bedard

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

115 point GM and there are ppl making cases for both sides.

You can't make this shit up lol.

again his regular season results are fantastic.

That's not why people want him fired

 

[BobClarkesfrontteeth]

As a Flyer fan stuck living in Toronto there is no argument. Fletcher is easily far worse. People talk about the Marner over pay but its nothing compared to the Kevin Hayes over pay.
Want to talk about making a bad move and then paying an asset to get rid of that bad move? (Mrazek) Well how about making a horrible trade and then doubling down on that terrible piece of GMing by signing Ritso to 5 more years at 5.1m AAV. Talk about snatching a loss out of the jaws of victory.
Don't really have to go on from there. there is tons more.

 

[Sweetpotato]

In the title you put who is worse?

In the poll the question is choose the lesser of 2 evil.

Which one is it so we all can make sure we're correctly voting for chuck Fletcher as the worst GM in the league.

 

[LOFIN]

Dubas is bad but Fletcher is something else.

Take the Tavares signing for example. He fell in Dubas's lap, but at least Dubas signed him and got himself a free asset. Fletcher couldn't even do that - Gaudreau wanted on Flyers and Fletcher couldn't get it done.

Ironically, the signing of Tavares is the root of most Maple Leafs problems. A lot of issues can be traced back to that signing.

It would've taken a lot of balls not to sign him though, so it's a hard one to pass judgment on Dubas at this point.

 

[Buck Naked]

Toronto are still bound to make the playoffs this year
Phidadelphia will be direct competition to my team (the Habs, worst team last year) for Bedard

Bedard is worth missing the playoffs for. Smart move, Fletcher. Smart move.

 

[Prior]

Give Fletcher the talent and resources that Dubas has at his disposal and the Leafs are in a better place in my view based largely on how they view roster construction. Granted, neither GM is one I would want running my team.

When Fletcher started at MN it was a barren organization. Gaborik and Burns had run their course and nothing of note was on the roster or in the system. He built up a prospect pool that was comfortably top 5 in the league which then drove the Parise and Suter signings.

The moment those contracts were signed, it was understood that they would be painful on the back end. That was only worsened by the league deciding to retroactively punish teams for contracts the league themselves approved and that were within the confines of the league’s regulations at that time. Hard to fault him for that piece and what the Wild have had to do with the NHL moving goalposts.

It can be questioned if making the Suter and Parise deals made sense over allowing the prospects to come through and then decide on a significant add. But we’re also talking about a team in a significant hockey market being relevant which they certainly were not at the time prior to those signings. His decisions spurred a consecutive playoff streak only beaten by Pittsburgh and one of the regime’s largest mistakes may have been who they decided to go with behind the bench in allowing those coaches to favor vets and not giving their young players prominent roles to continue to further their development and which they then stagnated.

I view Fletcher’s run in Philly as largely a failure to this point. But on the other hand, given the two GMs have won nothing, the Jared Spurgeon identification and signing, as well as the Kirill Kaprizov selection are better than anything Dubas has done with the Leafs on their own.

 

[Pyrophorus]

Get real
115pt GM is a greater evil....can I have what you're smoking.

 

[centipede2233]

Get real
115pt GM is a greater evil....can I have what you're smoking.

in fairness, dubas inherited all the good players on that team, taveras was going to Toronto regardless of who the GM was.

 

[Pyrophorus]

again his regular season results are fantastic.

That's not why people want him fired

but....Is he truly the greater of two evils vs. Fletcher?

 

[Pyrophorus]

in fairness, dubas inherited all the good players on that team, taveras was going to Toronto regardless of who the GM was.

Under him the team went up 20pts, setting team records.
How does this make up a greater evil vs. Fletch (THE question, which everyone seems to forget)

 

[The90]

Under him the team went up 20pts, setting team records.
How does this make up a greater evil vs. Fletch (THE question, which everyone seems to forget)

With no cap space, he took a team with a d core of:

Rielly Hainsey
Gardiner Zaitsev
Ozhiganov/ Dermott/ Borgman

And turned it into:
Rielly Sandin
Muzzin Brodie
Giordano Liljegren
Holl

He’s given the players every chance to succeed. The structure under keefe has improved every year as well. No credit to Dubas though!

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

but....Is he truly the greater of two evils vs. Fletcher?

No he's better than Fletcher but that's like having 2 bowls of shit and forcing you to eat one of the bowls of shit You get to pick which one of them has chocolate sauce on it.

You are probably going to choose the bowl of shit with chocolate sauce but regardless at the end of the day you are still eating a bowl of shit.

With no cap space, he took a team with a d core of:

Rielly Hainsey
Gardiner Zaitsev
Ozhiganov/ Dermott/ Borgman

And turned it into:
Rielly Sandin
Muzzin Brodie
Giordano Liljegren
Holl

He’s given the players every chance to succeed. The structure under keefe has improved every year as well. No credit to Dubas though!

and no credit will be given to Dubas until real progress is made and that happens only in the playoffs

 

[The90]

No he's better than Fletcher but that's like having 2 bowls of shit and forcing you to eat one of the bowls of shit You get to pick which one of them has chocolate sauce on it.

You are probably going to choose the bowl of shit with chocolate sauce but regardless at the end of the day you are still eating a bowl of shit.



and no credit will be given to Dubas until real progress is made and that happens only in the playoffs

…That’s why I said he’s given the players every chance to succeed

 

[Pyrophorus]

No he's better than Fletcher but that's like having 2 bowls of shit and forcing you to eat one of the bowls of shit You get to pick which one of them has chocolate sauce on it.

You are probably going to choose the bowl of shit with chocolate sauce but regardless at the end of the day you are still eating a bowl of shit.

Why don't you do a poll, asking posters if they feel 115pts is a bowl of shit?

You know what I fear, the next GM, he won't be as good.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Why don't you do a poll, asking posters if they feel 115pts is a bowl of shit?

You know what I fear, the next GM, he won't be as good.

115 points is great but as I have said regular season results are not why we want Dubas fired.

You know damn well why people want him fired.