Who would you have? Drouin or Ehlers?

[Carbooja]

Bumping an old thread. Looks like Ehlers seems to be pulling away from Drouin here but still plenty of games left to play.

 

[Holymakinaw]

Ehlers, by far. He's a quality young player.

 

[sparxx87]

It's close. Admittedly I haven't watched much Tampa this year and the homer side of things make me want to say Ehlers but it's a coin flip to me.

What does Tampa have to do with this?

I agree though, flip a coin. I’d favour Ehlers if I had to pick but both guys are dynamic offensive talents.

 

[Carbooja]

Sparxx87, this is an old thread from last season.

 

[DashingDane]

Still Ehlers for me. He is younger and has had more success so far...

 

[sparxx87]

Sparxx87, this is an old thread from last season.

Ahhh, my bad. Figured it was a simple mistake anyway, only quoted him for a laugh.

 

[Freaky Styley]

People ignore situation FAR too often when evaluating players. Ehlers is a great player, but I'd still take Drouin. Swap situations and Drouin would do at least as well as Ehlers, and I'm not sure Ehlers could handle being THE guy on a team (don't think Drouin should be either, but I think he's handling it better than Ehlers would). Also a convenient time for a bump.

 

[Advanced stats]

Ehlers without a second thought.

 

[ffh]

People ignore situation FAR too often when evaluating players. Ehlers is a great player, but I'd still take Drouin. Swap situations and Drouin would do at least as well as Ehlers, and I'm not sure Ehlers could handle being THE guy on a team (don't think Drouin should be either, but I think he's handling it better than Ehlers would). Also a convenient time for a bump.

and you concluded this after 6 games

 

[Thierry]

People ignore situation FAR too often when evaluating players. Ehlers is a great player, but I'd still take Drouin. Swap situations and Drouin would do at least as well as Ehlers, and I'm not sure Ehlers could handle being THE guy on a team (don't think Drouin should be either, but I think he's handling it better than Ehlers would). Also a convenient time for a bump.

That is so true. Drouin would do miracle on Scheifele and Wheeler wing. Ehlers is also a very special players though... Personally, I can't chose yet, but context sure is helping Ehlers.

 

[Freaky Styley]

and you concluded this after 6 games

I think it's too early for any of these conversations, but people always need to consider context. For example, I live in Southern Ontario and I'm a Leafs and Avs fan. My friends are always asking me what's wrong with the Avs, and it's a combination of culture, ownership & coaching mostly. If you swap coaches of the Leafs and Avs, you would see far different results. Of course, players are accountable to a point but they don't control how much PP time they get or their linemates really. Drouin with Schiefele or Laine would rack up the points. Ehlers being forced to center the top line in Montreal would be in tough. Situations matter big time.

 

[Brobust]

Drouin's had enough time with Stamkos that the whole situational argument doesn't matter here. Also, for the spectacular talent that he's touted as, he wasn't able to make himself invaluable to the team.

I'd go with Ehlers.

 

[bukwas]

I like Ehlers and i like that he's in a better position to succeed (numbers wise) but would give the slightest edge to Drouin.

 

[Gurilla]

Nikolaj pretty easily, im a big fan of Drouins as well.

 

[ffh]

I think it's too early for any of these conversations, but people always need to consider context. For example, I live in Southern Ontario and I'm a Leafs and Avs fan. My friends are always asking me what's wrong with the Avs, and it's a combination of culture, ownership & coaching mostly. If you swap coaches of the Leafs and Avs, you would see far different results. Of course, players are accountable to a point but they don't control how much PP time they get or their linemates really. Drouin with Schiefele or Laine would rack up the points. Ehlers being forced to center the top line in Montreal would be in tough. Situations matter big time.

I know what you are trying to say but drouin played with some pretty good players last year and ehlers did get more points albeit playing in a few more game. 64-53. but ehlers is a full year younger. its close its always been close but I believe ehlers is a little more of a game breaker with his shot and speed.

 

[brighteststars]

Drouin's had enough time with Stamkos that the whole situational argument doesn't matter here. Also, for the spectacular talent that he's touted as, he wasn't able to make himself invaluable to the team.

I'd go with Ehlers.

LOL Drouin doesn't play with Stamkos anymore.

 

[howkie]

If Drouin takes the step as a center and score around 60-70 points I pick him, otherwise it is Ehlers..

 

[Warden of the North]

Ehlers

 

[JetsHomer]

The younger guy that produces more offense

 

[Marky9er]

I can't decide. I think Ehlers.

 

[DashingDane]

I think Drouin has had plenty of chances to produce in a similar if not better situation than Ehlers in Tampa. So far he definitely hasn't lived up to his draft position.

 

[Maurice Del Taco]

Easy, Ehlers

 

[Nithoniniel]

I'll go with Ehlers.

 

[Fantomas]

A player's success is massively dependent on his situation: that is to say surroundings, his team, the organization, and especially his teammates.

Which is why I prefer Ehlers. Not because he is intrinsically better than Drouin, but I much prefer his situation to Drouin's. Playing with Scheifele and Laine for at least several years will do him a world of good.

It's a shame that things did not work out for Drouin in Tampa. They seem like a good organization and he could have potentially had a spot on a line with Kucherov and Stamkos now. Imagine that. Would that have made him into a better player? I think so.

 

[Fantomas]

People ignore situation FAR too often when evaluating players. Ehlers is a great player, but I'd still take Drouin. Swap situations and Drouin would do at least as well as Ehlers, and I'm not sure Ehlers could handle being THE guy on a team (don't think Drouin should be either, but I think he's handling it better than Ehlers would). Also a convenient time for a bump.

Per my post above, situational context is precisely why I would take Ehlers.