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If we really wanted to compare the Leafs-Raptors (pre championship) it would be the late 90s to 2004 Leafs. Good regular season team and consistently making the 2nd round with one ECF appearance.
Iverson was good, but not the best at the time. Hard to argue Shaq wasn't the best player in the NBA in the early 2000's. Voters just didn't give him individual awards because they thought he just dominated due to size, ignoring the crazy athleticism required to carry that size. He was Truly unstoppable at that time.Vince was the reason why we went even that far. Vince took it to the Phillies and Iverson who was just insane at the time
Vince went to head to head with the best at the time. Just because went to his graduation means nothing. Regardless of that he performed exceptionally well.
the narrative that lowry is a "beast" stemmed from last year..remember game 1 vs orlando when he went scoreless? alot of people thought oh boy playoff lowry is showing up again. he was just as much at fault as derozan for our recent playoff failures. sometimes i suppose it takes somebody like kawhi, a superstar AND a proven playoff performer to push a team over that last hurdle..now they all have that championship confidence and its showing.Raptors have heart and toughness. Lowry is a beast and a true leader, always talking. The team has character and you can't push them around
The Leafs are gutless and heartless. Every time the camera pans on them you just see them staring mindlessly. It's dispicable
Vince was the reason why we went even that far. Vince took it to the Phillies and Iverson who was just insane at the time
Vince went to head to head with the best at the time. Just because went to his graduation means nothing. Regardless of that he performed exceptionally well.
butch and grunwald were in way over their heads lol. theres no way they should have let him go.Vince going to his graduation for a paper course degree on the day of the biggest game of his career remains absurd to this day.
They were making conference finals and winning rounds so I’d agree with you.
There is no argument that can be made where lebron is the greatest player ever. Stop with this narrative. You must be like 15 years old
Go to bed it’s passed your bedtime child.Ok boomer. There's been plenty of players/analysts that say LeBron is the better player including Jordan's own teammates.
You're just an old head that refuses to believe that someone can overtake your idol as the greatest player ever.
I'm not saying LeBron is the undisputed GOAT atm. But I'm confident he will be once he retires, when its all said and done. He'll be the all time leading scorer, might win another ring or two, etc. He still has some years left in him and he continues to play at an exceptionally high level. To say he has no argument is just pure ignorance.
No, you just started watching last year. Lowry has never been a number 1 option but with DeRozan being soft between the ears in big games Lowry was often forced to be that guy. That isn’t his game, he’s a true PG. Orlando was an example of being too passive, not choking. He realized he wasn’t aggressive enough and it was problem solved the next night.the narrative that lowry is a "beast" stemmed from last year..remember game 1 vs orlando when he went scoreless? alot of people thought oh boy playoff lowry is showing up again. he was just as much at fault as derozan for our recent playoff failures. sometimes i suppose it takes somebody like kawhi, a superstar AND a proven playoff performer to push a team over that last hurdle..now they all have that championship confidence and its showing.
for the longest time the raptors were considered chokers and heartless. getting swept out of the playoffs on multiple occasions..once by the damn wizards.
they must have been despicable to you too i guess?
Why is this relevant? Champion teams arent made in a season, some not even in 5 seasons. Look at the 6 year road it took the Raptors to win:
2013-2014 - First Round 3-4 L to Brooklyn Nets (underdogs)
2014-2015 - First Round 0-4 L to Washington Wizards (even)
2015-2016 - Conference Finals 2-4 L to Cleveland Cavaliers (even)
2016-2017 - Second Round 0-4 L to Cleveland Cavaliers (even)
2017-2018 - Second Round 0-4 L to Cleveland Cavaliers (favourites)
Sure but as I said elsewhere, people seem to forget just how young this Leafs team actually is and potentially will get even younger next season when the likes of Clifford(29), Ceci(26), Spezza(37) , and Barrie(29) get replaced by guys like Robertson(18) , Sandin(20) , and Liljegren (21). I'm not excusing the Leafs losing but we can't forget that these guys are pretty young and that's why I hope/expect more veterans added to the team for next season.A lot of other teams also go through the same things and fail continually too.
We were never the favourites in 2017-18 our record was better int he reg season but that doesn't mean much when you come against Lebron.I don't know if it's possible to look up historical betting lines anywhere but I'm pretty sure the bolded is way off. According to this we were never underdogs against Lebron and I'm positive that's wrong. In fact I'd guess that we were underdogs every single time against Lebron.
We were never the favourites in 2017-18 our record was better int he reg season but that doesn't mean much when you come against Lebron.
A lot of people are using regular season success and playoff series wins as direct comparisons. They are also using revisionist history here.
The NBA has a lot less parity than the NHL. Only 2-3 teams or less per conference actually compete in the playoffs.
What I’m talking about is the general aura of the fans surrounding this team. Yes they lost to Lebron, but in that 6 year stretch they were swept 3 times. Lowry was absolutely terrible in 4/6 of those series. They lost multiple series as the higher seed and favourites.
The actual results are not directly comparable, but the feeling after each playoff run was.
Masai also had questions surrounding him as well, he was blocked from dealing Lowry and even after the DeRozan deal people were questioning the move.
Your perspective sounds like that of a casual fan who caught highlights and headlines.
lol ive been watching since the 1st season, but nice try...grow up kid.No, you just started watching last year. Lowry has never been a number 1 option but with DeRozan being soft between the ears in big games Lowry was often forced to be that guy. That isn’t his game, he’s a true PG. Orlando was an example of being too passive, not choking. He realized he wasn’t aggressive enough and it was problem solved the next night.
They weren’t considered heartless or chokers by anyone with common sense. Much of the American basketball media doesn’t watch the Raptors but still have to report on them. Slandering ‘that team in Canada’ that LeBron James continues to run over was good for views and clicks. Most of these people are wrong more than they’re right and can’t be taken seriously. In fact, you’ll come across dozens and dozens of examples of things that are black and white and they just get it wrong because they weren’t paying attention. Last week when they beat the Lakers with all eyes on the bubble it got people’s attention. One of the post game guys was asked what made the difference and he named 2-3 players then mentioned Chris Boucher, a guy who didn’t play until garbage time when the game was already decided. That came from respected basketball media and will be available for anyone to watch... but it flat out didn’t happen.
Your perspective sounds like that of a casual fan who caught highlights and headlines.
Rather than acting like a kid yourself, why not refute what I said? I explained to you why your perception of Lowry was wrong, and I explained how a false narrative became sensationalized in the media.lol ive been watching since the 1st season, but nice try...grow up kid.
I don't know if it's possible to look up historical betting lines anywhere but I'm pretty sure the bolded is way off. According to this we were never underdogs against Lebron and I'm positive that's wrong. In fact I'd guess that we were underdogs every single time against Lebron.
Raps were big underdogs in '16 and '17, but were surprisingly large favourites in '18 (north of -200 IIRC).
The idea that a team that was starting Luis Scola were even odds against LeBron is pretty lol.
e: in fact, the Raps were +700 in that 2016 series per the internet lmao