Who´s the best Swedish hockey player ever?

[ManofSteel55]

Peter Forsberg, nobody touches his peak. I think Lidstrom had a bit of luck winning all those trophies during an era where the competition wasn't all that strong. Chara sure, but Phaneuf, Zubov and others were top three for some of those years.

Bit surprising that Pronger doesn't have a stronger Norris trophy record though. He really was incredible. Maybe he was more of a playoff beast.

Karlsson will enter this discussion soon.

He went head to head with prime Chris Pronger and beat him more times than not. Part of the reason for the bolded is Nicklas Lidstrom.

 

[End of Line]

Lidstrom, but with Forsberg right behind and there's a sizeable gap between Forsberg and Sundin.

 

[Elvs]

Even halfway through the 2005-06 season before injuries caught up to him for good he was voted the best player in the NHL with a convincing amount of votes over Jagr and Thornton. It truly is revisionist history to say Lidstrom was a better player than Forsberg, it was only those extra few seasons of winning the Norris after Forsberg was done in the NHL that it began to sway in his favour, which is just wrong IMO. If a player wasn't better, he wasn't better, better career only means something if that player was also atleast as good of a hockey player, and for Forsberg's entire career Lidstrom was never considered as good, heck they each had their peaks around 2002...Forsberg was easily better and more dominant and that's not a slight to Lidstrom in any way that's just how good Forsberg was at the time. He also schooled Lidstrom when they went head to head on numerous occasions, far more often than Lidstrom shut him down. These are all facts btw...so the discrepancy in their voting totals here is very disingenous.

Forwards will always have the upper hand on defensemen in discussions of who the best player is. They are difficult to compare and people like forwards because they make nice dekes and puts up a lot of points.

You have to look no further than the Hart Memorial Trophy. Going back to the 1996/1997 season, to get a sample size of 100 top 5 finishes for the award ...

64 forwards
32 goalies
4 defenseman

See what I'm talking about? And the number for defensemen was just 2 until last season, when Burns and Karlsson finished 4th and 5th. The only other two to make the top five in any year since 96/97 were Pronger and Lidstrom.

 

[authentic]

Forwards will always have the upper hand on defensemen in discussions of who the best player is. They are difficult to compare and people like forwards because they make nice dekes and puts up a lot of points.

You have to look no further than the Hart Memorial Trophy. Going back to the 1996/1997 season, to get a sample size of 100 top 5 finishes for the award ...

64 forwards
32 goalies
4 defenseman

See what I'm talking about? And the number for defensemen was just 2 until last season, when Burns and Karlsson finished 4th and 5th. The only other two to make the top five in any year since 96/97 were Pronger and Lidstrom.

I'm aware of this and it is a point worth bringing up, however more of the best players of all time are centers than any other position. Naturally when kids are younger the best players are usually put at center, and that obviously holds true a lot in the NHL only to a lesser extent. Also go figure most of the top draft picks are centermen, I'm not saying this means conclusively that Forsberg is better than Lidstrom, but it shows that this goes beyond a bias towards forwards and goalies.

 

[Ace Card Bedard]

Lidstrom

And I hate the Wings.

 

[spiny norman]

Lopsided result.