Speculation: Where does Tavares end up??

[HabsEstrie]

100% Montreal. /thread

 

[Habs10025]

You want to make it about the money? Vegas offers him $12M per year and he still makes 600k more per year than in Montreal at $14M.

Montreal management offer him the max 20 % 16 000 000 per Ownership/Management are under pressure to improve the team. Molson already stated Tavares is a player they want 2 000 000 more per year makes no difference to Montreal.

 

[RomanianLeafs]

Carolina would be a nice fit, do they have the cap space for him? can.t see him going to Montreal or Toronto

 

[HabsEstrie]

Carolina would be a nice fit, do they have the cap space for him? can.t see him going to Montreal or Toronto

Thats because Tranta couldnt afford him, and you hate Montreal. lol
But he will be coming to Montreal. Now seriously /thread

 

[Instant]

Montreal management offer him the max 20 % 16 000 000 per Ownership/Management are under pressure to improve the team. Molson already stated Tavares is a player they want 2 000 000 more per year makes no difference to Montreal.

Because what Montreal really needs is another huge long term contract... Lord no. Also, it would be extremely stupid on Tavares' part, because with him at $16M Montreal isn't able to do anything to improve the team further and he's in another shitty situation. I don't think he stays with the Islanders, but why on earth would he go to an even bigger dumpster fire when half a league would welcome him with an open arms and a big check?

Besides, it doesn't matter how much Montreal will offer him - because of the higher taxes, both Florida teams, Nashville, Vegas and Dallas (and by no means I'm saying they are all interested in Tavares) can offer him less money, but because of the lower taxes he will get to keep more of the money.

So, since I already took Vegas as an example, let's say Montreal gives him $16M. He makes what, around $7.49M per year. Vegas gives him $12.5M per year and he makes $7.59M. And guess which of these contracts handicaps the team less.

 

[Habs10025]

Because what Montreal really needs is another huge long term contract... Lord no. Also, it would be extremely stupid on Tavares' part, because with him at $16M Montreal isn't able to do anything to improve the team further and he's in another ****ty situation. I don't think he stays with the Islanders, but why on earth would he go to an even bigger dumpster fire when half a league would welcome him with an open arms and a big check?

Besides, it doesn't matter how much Montreal will offer him - because of the higher taxes, both Florida teams, Nashville, Vegas and Dallas (and by no means I'm saying they are all interested in Tavares) can offer him less money, but because of the lower taxes he will get to keep more of the money.

So, since I already took Vegas as an example, let's say Montreal gives him $16M. He makes what, around $7.49M per year. Vegas gives him $12.5M per year and he makes $7.59M. And guess which of these contracts handicaps the team less.

Montreal will offer 7 years 98 000 000 - 14 000 000 per if Tavares wants to play elsewhere so be it .

 

[ToneDog]

Because what Montreal really needs is another huge long term contract... Lord no. Also, it would be extremely stupid on Tavares' part, because with him at $16M Montreal isn't able to do anything to improve the team further and he's in another ****ty situation. I don't think he stays with the Islanders, but why on earth would he go to an even bigger dumpster fire when half a league would welcome him with an open arms and a big check?

Besides, it doesn't matter how much Montreal will offer him - because of the higher taxes, both Florida teams, Nashville, Vegas and Dallas (and by no means I'm saying they are all interested in Tavares) can offer him less money, but because of the lower taxes he will get to keep more of the money.

So, since I already took Vegas as an example, let's say Montreal gives him $16M. He makes what, around $7.49M per year. Vegas gives him $12.5M per year and he makes $7.59M. And guess which of these contracts handicaps the team less.

As a Leaf fan I am hoping he wants to play in his home town. Leafs are trending up, he wants to win and if it is not all about the money, why doesn't Toronto make the most sense ?

 

[Habs10025]

As a Leaf fan I am hoping he wants to play in his home town. Leafs are trending up, he wants to win and if it is not all about the money, why doesn't Toronto make the most sense ?

He might sign with Boston and really stick it to Habs and Leafs fans.

 

[The Note in MI]

Montreal will offer 7 years 98 000 000 - 14 000 000 per if Tavares wants to play elsewhere so be it .

I just don't know why you would pay him so much, you already have Price and Weber's contracts to endure. Sure you have the cap space but maybe it should be used to add more pieces than just one. He's not going to instantly fix your depth issues.

 

[EdAVSfan]

Please come to Colorado JT.

Great place to live. No microscope. Good, and very young budding team. Low taxes. And Nathan Mackinnon to ease the pressure.

Oh, and cap space coming out of our ears.

 

[Habs10025]

I just don't know why you would pay him so much, you already have Price and Weber's contracts to endure. Sure you have the cap space but maybe it should be used to add more pieces than just one. He's not going to instantly fix your depth issues.

Montreal need a center and Weber is owed 30 000 000 over the next 8 years. Yes the cap hit is 7.857 143 per but doesn't have a no trade or movement clause if things turn to crap with Webers play they can make that salary disappear.

 

[The Note in MI]

There's a team, I think their name is the Blackhawks. They have three large contracts, and for some reason they seem to be struggling to fit things in.

Why handcuff your team with those contracts?
Stills begs the question why he leaves the island if he is going to the same situation.

 

[Instant]

Montreal will offer 7 years 98 000 000 - 14 000 000 per if Tavares wants to play elsewhere so be it .

Sure. But let's end this "Montreal can offer him the biggest amount of money" thing and that will make him forget how many big contracts they have, how good (or not) the team is and of course everything about the wonderful hockey media you guys have up there.

As a Leaf fan I am hoping he wants to play in his home town. Leafs are trending up, he wants to win and if it is not all about the money, why doesn't Toronto make the most sense ?

Because it's not all about the money, but it's not like it isn't about the money at all and I don't think Toronto is able come up north of $11M without losing one of their young players. Besides, don't you guys need an upgrade on the D?

 

[Dbrownss]

Montreal need a center and Weber is owed 30 000 000 over the next 8 years. Yes the cap hit is 7.857 143 per but doesn't have a no trade or movement clause if things turn to crap with Webers play they can make that salary disappear.

So now a possible Weberless Montreal. Isnt Weber a selling point?

 

[Habs10025]

So now a possible Weberless Montreal. Isnt Weber a selling point?

Weber now is at worst a # 2 D if in the future 3 , 4 , 5 years from now the can get ride of they contract .
Lets say this summer Management/ Ownership decide to trade Weber and are unable.
They can simple buy him out at 2/3 of his remaining 8 years 30 000 000 owed to him which would be 20 000 000 paid over 16 years. 1 250 000 cap hit per season

The Weber contract isn't a problem for the team now or in the future .

 

[ToneDog]

Sure. But let's end this "Montreal can offer him the biggest amount of money" thing and that will make him forget how many big contracts they have, how good (or not) the team is and of course everything about the wonderful hockey media you guys have up there.



Because it's not all about the money, but it's not like it isn't about the money at all and I don't think Toronto is able come up north of $11M without losing one of their young players. Besides, don't you guys need an upgrade on the D?

Yes, we do need an upgrade on D but you don't pass on JT if he says he wants to come home. Love JT but teams on the cusp of winning may find it hard to fit him in north of $11m without shuffling the deck.

 

[SoulDynasty]

Weber now is at worst a # 2 D if in the future 3 , 4 , 5 years from now the can get ride of they contract .
Lets say this summer Management/ Ownership decide to trade Weber and are unable.
They can simple buy him out at 2/3 of his remaining 8 years 30 000 000 owed to him which would be 20 000 000 paid over 16 years. 1 250 000 cap hit per season

The Weber contract isn't a problem for the team now or in the future .

Then what is the point of bringing in Tavares? You’ll end up just going in a circle.

Right now: Need 1C, 2C, top pair D, depth
Your scenario: Need 2C, two top pairing D, depth

You’ll end up exactly where you are now. Not a smart strategy for a city with a “win or GTFO” mantra.

 

[ToneDog]

He might sign with Boston and really stick it to Habs and Leafs fans.

Never considered the Bruins as a contender for JT but it would be a nightmare for all teams in the Atlantic if JT signs with the Bruins.

 

[lifelonghockeyfan]

As good as Weber is now, his age and contract will be difficult sell to any team, especially if Montreal expects to get a good return.
This year there are few good UFA dman available, but next year there are "lots" (unless they are resigned early).

Wouldn't a team like who might have free cap money, sign a UFA for 7.8m and then they don't have to trade any their young cheap assets or picks?

The Leafs seem to be the favourite target in a trade. Let's imagine the Leafs have 7.8m in long term UFA money to spend. Maybe the Leafs who also need a good centre might overpay for Stastny for three years and keep their assets that would be needed to satisfy Montreal trade demands. Trading high priced players, not just Weber is difficult unless, similar amount of cap sent back in a trade.

 

[Habs10025]

Then what is the point of bringing in Tavares? You’ll end up just going in a circle.

Right now: Need 1C, 2C, top pair D, depth
Your scenario: Need 2C, two top pairing D, depth

You’ll end up exactly where you are now. Not a smart strategy for a city with a “win or GTFO” mantra.

Weber isn't a problem for the team and neither is his contract if he plays the remaining 8 seasons in Montreal then great if the team wants to make a change they can and are able to .

 

[Instant]

Yes, we do need an upgrade on D but you don't pass on JT if he says he wants to come home. Love JT but teams on the cusp of winning may find it hard to fit him in north of $11m without shuffling the deck.

There are a few that could do that, there are a few that could do that with a bit of shuffling but without losing core players. And I don't pretend I know your cap situation better than you, but could the Leafs keep the Marner/Matthews/Nylander core, improve the defence and sign Tavares for $12M per year? Because I don't think so.

 

[ToneDog]

There are a few that could do that, there are a few that could do that with a bit of shuffling but without losing core players. And I don't pretend I know your cap situation better than you, but could the Leafs keep the Marner/Matthews/Nylander core, improve the defence and sign Tavares for $12M per year? Because I don't think so.

We could fit JT next year at $12M but we would be fighting the cap the subsequent years. Vegas and NJ are two teams that could fit him in at $12 but personally I don't think he commands McDavid money. I would be interested at Toews and Kane money.

 

[RomanianLeafs]

Thats because Tranta couldnt afford him, and you hate Montreal. lol
But he will be coming to Montreal. Now seriously /thread

lol i hate montreal? how do u know this? because i am leafs fan? actually i have no feelings towards montreal..the teams that i hate are Bruins and Oilers because of their fanbase..

 

[Instant]

We could fit JT next year at $12M but we would be fighting the cap the subsequent years. Vegas and NJ are two teams that could fit him in at $12 but personally I don't think he commands McDavid money. I would be interested at Toews and Kane money.

I don't have time now to look for it, but there was a rumor he's looking for around $12.5M per year. We'll see if that's true or not. But I also have to say I don't see him going to Toronto of all the places.

 

[Ciccio1980]

I think if the leads offer 10 to 11 he'll be coming home
Montreal has no chance just a dream