Gardiner is actually pretty good at shepherding people to the outside with his good footwork and then getting a stick check in, which he is also good at.NOT really. He allows his man to make the pass/play because he is not physical or applies pressure on them.
I don't care where people rank him. Just show me why and his conparables with stats.
It seems the excuse is always. Because its Jake.
Gardiner is actually pretty good at shepherding people to the outside with his good footwork and then getting a stick check in, which he is also good at.
I'd like an option that says "The most underrated player in the NHL" as seeing leaf fans call him a number 5 is beyond laughable
I'm a big Gardiner fan, but I can totally understand the criticism that comes his way - he's very soft in his own zone and is a giveaway machine.
That can't be denied. I tend to see the offensive side of his game as great, and I think that makes up for his defensive issues.
But those issues exist
i wouldCan you imagine talking to Lou and Babcock and telling them that Jake is a 3rd pairing D, probably worth trading for a 2nd rounder or less.
Good question, how many would trade Jake for a 2nd round pick.
WHAT ABOUT defence?
Hes really really good at defence. Too bad you can't see it with your bias against him.
So if you used your eyes when watching Gardiner you'd notice how he limits shots in the slot and generally pushes the forwards to the edge of the rink. Gardiner is great defensively in a 1v1.i'm not bias against him and i use the eye test rather than stats. like how he is soft against his man and lets them do whatever they want. that stuff doesn't get recorded does it?
Apparently they don't like to score then, or get good chances.i'm not bias against him and i use the eye test rather than stats. like how he is soft against his man and lets them do whatever they want.
If he is soft and lets opposing players walk all over him and do what they want, they will score a lot against him (which doesn't happen), or at least create lots of chances overall (which doesn't happen), or in particular from areas of the ice where he is defending (which doesn't happen).that stuff doesn't get recorded does it?
not true. the forwards move to the edge of the rink themselves. he doesn't engage in any physicality whatsoeverSo if you used your eyes when watching Gardiner you'd notice how he limits shots in the slot and generally pushes the forwards to the edge of the rink. Gardiner is great defensively in a 1v1.
You don't need to be physical for the bolded to happen. A defender that denies space and lanes towards the center of the ice, does in fact push the player to the outside.not true. the forwards move to the edge of the rink themselves. he doesn't engage in any physicality whatsoever
Looks another defenseman who does way worse without Gardiner. Gardiner deserves a big contract just for convincing Ottawa Dion was decent.
I mean the guy is top 7 or so in the league for points among defenders. His offense has been pretty consistent since December 1st with his defensive play following soon afterI can't consider any defence of top 3 calibre when consistency is a major issue.
He needs to take adderall or something.
I can't consider any defence of top 3 calibre when consistency is a major issue.
He needs to take adderall or something.
I agree. Gardiner is a very good D man who gets a lot of bad rap as his partner is hot garbage. Zietsev made Morgan look bad and he has done the same to Gardiner.
My issue with Gardiner is far to often he is happy to be second to the puck.
He still makes a few to many big mistakes but he more than makes up for it with all the great plays.
He is our second best D man behind Rielly.
This is his biggest flaw. He will let the other player get to the puck along the boards first sometimes as he relies on his stick check defensively anywaysI agree. Gardiner is a very good D man who gets a lot of bad rap as his partner is hot garbage. Zietsev made Morgan look bad and he has done the same to Gardiner.
My issue with Gardiner is far to often he is happy to be second to the puck.
He still makes a few to many big mistakes but he more than makes up for it with all the great plays.
He is our second best D man behind Rielly.
This is his biggest flaw. He will let the other player get to the puck along the boards first sometimes as he relies on his stick check defensively anyways
That being said as my previous posts probably indicate, I'm a Gardiner fan and he is criminally underrated.No arguments, truth is truth