Post-Game Talk: Well that was unexpected

[rboomercat90]

At least Ol'man Perry doesn't suffer from low T. I was watching for Kane's reaction pretty closely but I guess he didn't notice them. That or low T...lol

My initial reaction was the guys (other than Perry) saw the camera was on and kept their eyes front.

 

[rboomercat90]

They should have waived Brown at the 9-game mark and let him play 20 min a night in the AHL till he got his game back it was apparent at that time he was nowhere close to being an NHL player at that time.

Many of us were saying this leading up to that 10th game. What made it worse was he got hurt in his 9th game and it was the perfect opportunity or excuse to send him down for a conditioning stint but the team refused to do it.

 

[brentashton]

Many of us were saying this leading up to that 10th game. What made it worse was he got hurt in his 9th game and it was the perfect opportunity or excuse to send him down for a conditioning stint but the team refused to do it.

Yup. I was in that group calling for his reassignment at that point. The apologists and excuses started in earnest then, I recall, suggesting that you’d never be able to sign another FA in Edmonton if you treated him that way.

I guess if the choice going forward is signing Connor Brown- like Free Agents or not, I’ll go Not everytime.

Guy can’t score and yesterday was on the ice for EVERY Dallas goal scored against. 2 on the penalty kill that he’s supposed to be some type of savant on and then 5on5. He was probably the cause of the first 2 goals being scored against (one on the PK and one even strength) because of blown assignments on his man. It’s actually comical.

 

[harpoon]

Good to see Pickard get the win and he has been pretty good for the most part so far.
That said his rebound control was bad in this game. I dont see him being part of the solution here.
The team cant afford to have him as the backup once the playoffs start.

For sure there were some sketchy rebounds popping out last night. I wouldn’t argue that at all. My post was a reaction to fans (well, mostly one guy) who decided to come into the GDT and start raging on Pickard.

As to Pickard being part of the solution here, that depends on what you mean by ‘solution’. He’s won seven of his nine starts and has a .910. With Campbell’s game falling apart and the Oilers really having no one else to turn to, you could argue that he’s already come in and been part of turning the season around. Couldn’t really have asked for more from him.

As far as a longer term ‘solution’, you’re most likely correct. The seven wins he has this season equal the total wins he has in the NHL between 2017 and 2022. His .910 is significantly better than anything he’s put up in the NHL since 2016. Can he back up Skinner in the playoffs? That tandem sure doesn’t inspire much confidence, but for me that’s as much a result of not trusting Skinner as the starter as it is having Pickard as the backup.

I just think fans (in general) are dreaming about the number of deadline moves the Oilers can even make. We want a second pair defense, another utility center and a 1B type goaltender. I’m not that knowledgeable about the ins and outs of cap management, but I just don’t see the Oilers having the space to make all those additions. Unless Holland finds a way to remove Campbell from the equation, the team is probably going to have to make do with what they have in at least one of those areas. Like it or not, I think it’s quite possible that the Oilers go into the playoffs with Pickard and Campbell backing up Skinner. And I say that as a fan who thought goaltending was the number one thing that needed to be addressed in the previous offseason. I guess management felt differently. Do you have any reason to think they’ve changed their minds?

 

[Dieseloil]

Its crazy how Bouch can beat a squared off goalie so cleanly.

His shot is a dart, he used the get most of them blocked. Now he moves to find the lane. Goalies really are having a hard time getting even a piece of it.

 

[guymez]

For sure there were some sketchy rebounds popping out last night. I wouldn’t argue that at all. My post was a reaction to fans (well, mostly one guy) who decided to come into the GDT and start raging on Pickard.

As to Pickard being part of the solution here, that depends on what you mean by ‘solution’. He’s won seven of his nine starts and has a .910. With Campbell’s game falling apart and the Oilers really having no one else to turn to, you could argue that he’s already come in and been part of turning the season around. Couldn’t really have asked for more from him.

As far as a longer term ‘solution’, you’re most likely correct. The seven wins he has this season equal the total wins he has in the NHL between 2017 and 2022. His .910 is significantly better than anything he’s put up in the NHL since 2016. Can he back up Skinner in the playoffs? That tandem sure doesn’t inspire much confidence, but for me that’s as much a result of not trusting Skinner as the starter as it is having Pickard as the backup.

I like Pickard...he has been a great story so far.
I just think that over a longer stretch of time (bigger sample size) Pickard will default back to the goalie who is an AHL/NHL tweener. I think we are starting to see evidence of that now and the sketchy rebound control is part of that.

I just think fans (in general) are dreaming about the number of deadline moves the Oilers can even make. We want a second pair defense, another utility center and a 1B type goaltender. I’m not that knowledgeable about the ins and outs of cap management, but I just don’t see the Oilers having the space to make all those additions. Unless Holland finds a way to remove Campbell from the equation, the team is probably going to have to make do with what they have in at least one of those areas. Like it or not, I think it’s quite possible that the Oilers go into the playoffs with Pickard and Campbell backing up Skinner. And I say that as a fan who thought goaltending was the number one thing that needed to be addressed in the previous offseason. I guess management felt differently. Do you have any reason to think they’ve changed their minds?

I agree that this is going to be a very tricky deadline primarily because of the restraints from the Campbell contract. Its essentially dead money and now Holland has to rectify that egregious blunder. It wont be particularily desirable either because now he is going to have to trade an asset or 2. I have to think that there is a team at or near the cap floor that would like a prospect and a draft pick for taking on the Campbell contract. That half step back has to be be done though so this team can take a full step forward.
If he can sort that out and maybe even trade another contract (Ceci for an upgrade) then he has room to work with to make some impactful changes.

I also think that due to the window closing on the McDavid and Drai contracts Holland must treat this season as an opportunity to win a Stanley Cup. No more deferring.
It has to be now IMO and thats why this deadline is so important.
We just cant have a Skinner/Pickard tandem (with Campbell waiting in the wings) come April.
Its not good enough IMO.

 

[AM]

Brown f***ing sucks

Are you trying to say he hadn’t been perfect?

 

[jesusbuiltmyhotrod]

Missed the game... Big win but no depth scoring again at even strength. This is becoming a major problem that needs to be addressed because you're not beating the likes of Vegas, Colorado, Dallas or even the Kings in a 7 game series with nobody outside of 2 players playing away from those 2 player doing anything to chip in offensively. Swap out Brown or Janmark for Lavoie, Pederson or anybody else.

Do....something. Amazing that they've let it go on this long without doing something to change it up outside of resorting back to McDrai. McLeod, Foegele, Holloway (what happened to him yesterday btw), do something....anything. You can live with a 4th line not scoring ever as long as they're not bleeding goals against but you can't live with a 3rd line not scoring as well.

Not trying to poo on the win, a win at Dallas is always a big one, but I'm just looking a long term problem here.

Derek Ryan scored

 

[AM]

Dude is gonna rope a dope us to a Cup. Guaranteed.

Every team needs a mascot.

 

[AM]

Can't score, no creativity with the puck, can't shoot, can't hit the net, can't even deke. PK specialist, my ass. The only thing Brown's done is perform cardio. Perry for example knows how it takes to score for a guy who's skating isn't a strong suit anymore, but he simply parks his agitating ass in front of the net getting a hard working earned goal.

Connor Brown, 43 GP, 0-4-4
Corey Perry, 7 GP, 2-2-4

Get Brown off this f***ing team.

Corey perry can’t do the job brown is doing. And they are both important jobs.

 

[GMofOilers]

Pickard rebound control is 10x better then Skinners

 

[Oilers in NS]

I’d vote Campbell but because he got buried and goaltending has stabilized it’s not as pronounced as Brown not being able to piss one ounce of offense given all the chances he’s had 1st through 4th lines.

Shit
I forgot all about Campbell
Told ya us Blunosers were stupid

 

[KCC]

Pickard rebound control is 10x better then Skinners

Yup. Been saying this for awhile now as well. I've also been advocating he get way more starts as well. I don't trust Skinner. I get that he's the main guy so it is what it is. But I don't like it. Dude is a rebound machine. During that 16 game win streak don't get me wrong he played well. But we also saw his usual spitting out rebounds all the time also. The difference is that the players in front were bailing him out. We see what happens when they don't. He gets massively exposed. If he could actually hold onto pucks the team wouldn't need to be in mass chaos to try and get the rebound to clear it seemingly every shift. It's just a fact at this point.

 

[5 14 6 1]

Yup. Been saying this for awhile now as well. I've also been advocating he get way more starts as well. I don't trust Skinner. I get that he's the main guy so it is what it is. But I don't like it. Dude is a rebound machine. During that 16 game win streak don't get me wrong he played well. But we also saw his usual spitting out rebounds all the time also. The difference is that the players in front were bailing him out. We see what happens when they don't. He gets massively exposed. If he could actually hold onto pucks the team wouldn't need to be in mass chaos to try and get the rebound to clear it seemingly every shift. It's just a fact at this point.

The entire idea of zone defense taught by Knoblauch is Goalie to make first save, D to clean up the mess. Skinner is very good system goalie. Issue is when team breaks down defensively

 

[brentashton]

Shit
I forgot all about Campbell
Told ya us Blunosers were stupid

Never. Ever. Would I say that of my Atlantic Canada friends.

Some of the nicest, hardworking and intelligent people I’ve ever met and worked with.

And we’ve all been trying to purge our memories of bad Jack, hoping for good Jack if we need him in the play offs.

You probably have been working night shifts in the control centre. I’ve been there, I get it.

 

[Stoneman89]

They should have waived Brown at the 9-game mark and let him play 20 min a night in the AHL till he got his game back it was apparent at that time he was nowhere close to being an NHL player at that time.

Brown's contract agreement shouldn't have been games played. And if it did, it should have been one hell of a lot more than 9 games. That's hardly a sniff in an 82 game season after missing most of the previous 2 seasons. Not even close to enough to gauge if it's worth it to carry on. It should also have had statistical performance clauses in it as well. Just because a guy basically "shows up" for work for a couple weeks worth, shouldn't be enough to give him a huge bonus.

The entire idea of zone defense taught by Knoblauch is Goalie to make first save, D to clean up the mess. Skinner is very good system goalie. Issue is when team breaks down defensively

Yup, seeing the goals scored when he stops it in close and a couple guys are whacking at the rebound while our defence sits and watches is what gets us in trouble.

 

[Ibanez]

I didn't get to watch the game, but I listened to it. It sounded like they were trying for a Bouch bomb a lot on the 5 on 3.

I dunno. It didn’t look that way to me. Bouch at times looked confused because it seemed like he was deferring to Leon and McDavid. Either way. Worked out in the end.

My big point is that our pp is lethal when the other team has to respect bouch. It opens things so much. I don’t know why we seem to stray from it

 

[MoontoScott]

Yup. I was in that group calling for his reassignment at that point. The apologists and excuses started in earnest then, I recall, suggesting that you’d never be able to sign another FA in Edmonton if you treated him that way.

I guess if the choice going forward is signing Connor Brown- like Free Agents or not, I’ll go Not everytime.

Guy can’t score and yesterday was on the ice for EVERY Dallas goal scored against. 2 on the penalty kill that he’s supposed to be some type of savant on and then 5on5. He was probably the cause of the first 2 goals being scored against (one on the PK and one even strength) because of blown assignments on his man. It’s actually comical.

They stunned him just as he was waking up.

 

[Cloned]

Pickard rebound control is 10x better then Skinners

It’s funny because the third Dallas goal was directly due to a poor rebound off Pickard which you’d be all over Skinner for.

 

[TheNumber4]

It’s funny because the third Dallas goal was directly due to a poor rebound off Pickard which you’d be all over Skinner for.

Not only that. Many of the rebounds that Skinner is criticized for are directly off the pad, which isn’t something even expected of goalies to 100% control, only direct. You can direct rebounds with your pad but even the best let rebounds bounce off them. The Pickard Rebound was to the bread basket, where goalies CAN be expected to control those by absorbing the impact and corralling the puck with their hands. Those are the shots where you can criticize rebound control moreso than off the pad shots. And yet it’s crickets about Pickards failure on that play.

 

[TheNumber4]

Rebound Truthers are back. If Skinner is so bad at rebounds then explain why he's 11th best in the League for giving up Rebounds per shot this year. These are Goalies with Minimum 10GP so we can fit Pickard onto the list. With minimum 20GP Skinner ranks 7th best. The chatter around here makes it sound like Skinner is the only goalie in the league that gives rebounds, I can assure you even the best goalies in the League give rebounds. Maybe that's why Knoblauch realizes that it's the goalies job to make the first save and for the team to clean up the mess. Don't get it twisted, the best performing goalies in this League are getting plenty of help when they too give up rebounds.

Dan Vladar	0.038​
Marc-Andre Fleury	0.041​
Jake Oettinger	0.044​
Cayden Primeau	0.044​
Calvin Pickard	0.044​
Charlie Lindgren	0.044​
Filip Gustavsson	0.045​
Carter Hart	0.048​
Tristan Jarry	0.049​
Laurent Brossoit	0.05​
Stuart Skinner	0.05​
Lukas Dostal	0.05​
Sergei Bobrovsky	0.05​
Karel Vejmelka	0.051​
Alex Nedeljkovic	0.051​
Jeremy Swayman	0.051​
Adin Hill	0.051​
Ilya Samsonov	0.052​
Samuel Ersson	0.052​
Scott Wedgewood	0.052​
Joey Daccord	0.053​
Petr Mrazek	0.053​
Kevin Lankinen	0.053​
Cam Talbot	0.054​
James Reimer	0.054​
Connor Ingram	0.054​
Mackenzie Blackwood	0.054​
Ilya Sorokin	0.055​
Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen	0.055​
Alex Lyon	0.055​
Philipp Grubauer	0.055​
Daniil Tarasov	0.056​
Vitek Vanecek	0.056​
Arvid Soderblom	0.056​
Martin Jones	0.056​
Juuse Saros	0.057​
John Gibson	0.057​
Logan Thompson	0.058​
Joel Hofer	0.058​
Linus Ullmark	0.059​
Pyotr Kochetkov	0.059​
Andrei Vasilevskiy	0.059​
Joseph Woll	0.059​
Alexandar Georgiev	0.06​
Darcy Kuemper	0.06​
Ivan Prosvetov	0.061​
David Rittich	0.061​
Jacob Markstrom	0.061​
Semyon Varlamov	0.061​
Jordan Binnington	0.062​
Jonathan Quick	0.062​
Casey DeSmith	0.063​
Elvis Merzlikins	0.063​
Kaapo Kahkonen	0.063​
Joonas Korpisalo	0.063​
Igor Shesterkin	0.064​
Sam Montembeault	0.064​
Jake Allen	0.065​
Akira Schmid	0.065​
Thatcher Demko	0.066​
Spencer Martin	0.066​
Connor Hellebuyck	0.067​
Nico Daws	0.067​
Ville Husso	0.067​
Anthony Stolarz	0.069​
Anton Forsberg	0.071​
Devon Levi	0.071​
Jonas Johansson	0.074​
Antti Raanta	0.076​

Associated Athletic article about the Stat: Which NHL goalies are giving up the most — and fewest — rebounds per save?

Money Puck Stats themselves are here if you want to check other rebound stats: NHL Goalie Statistics

 

[AM]

Yup. Been saying this for awhile now as well. I've also been advocating he get way more starts as well. I don't trust Skinner. I get that he's the main guy so it is what it is. But I don't like it. Dude is a rebound machine. During that 16 game win streak don't get me wrong he played well. But we also saw his usual spitting out rebounds all the time also. The difference is that the players in front were bailing him out. We see what happens when they don't. He gets massively exposed. If he could actually hold onto pucks the team wouldn't need to be in mass chaos to try and get the rebound to clear it seemingly every shift. It's just a fact at this point.

No matter which goalie is in net they need to play defense.

 

[The Panther]

Pickard rebound control is 10x better then Skinners

Pickard has had pretty decent rebound control, but not against Dallas. He was letting some bad rebounds out, including one that ended up with a penalty (and then a goal against) and another (albeit difficult shot to handle) that ended up in the net.

 

[The Panther]

Team needs another top 6 forward though. That’s a more pressing need than anything else imo.

You know who the Oilers could probably use -- a right-handed shot who would be great on the 3rd line (or the 2nd line), and a fine 2nd-unit PP guy?

This guy:

Oh wait.... the Oilers already had this guy, and then traded him for basically nothing... then, he scored 61 points per year for the Rangers for the next four years. Also scored twice last game vs. Edmonton. Has 6 points in his past four games.

Sure glad we dealt him away to get 25 games from Ryan Spooner, though!!

 

[iCanada]

Corey perry can’t do the job brown is doing. And they are both important jobs.

Brown can't either, and that's the problem.