Post-Game Talk: We played today? - 3:2 Flyers

[Jets 31]

Yup.

I prefer the #1C over the guy who plays against the #1C. Couturier is an excellent NHLer, but I think Scheifele is moving into a different tier. Now on pace for about 32g + 34g over a full season. He's really putting it all together this season. That line could be dynamic. I could see them scoring 2 goals a game down the stretch (which could sink our tank).

Ya i would agree , i gotta say when the Jets drafted Scheifele i was like WHO ? But when the Jets said they picked him because of what Hawerchuk had to say about Scheifele , i felt alot better about the pick . I would soooooo love the Jets to hire Hawerchuk as a assistant coach , i'll tell you right now if they did and got rid of Vincent , our power play would instantly get alot better .

 

[chupanibre]

Hey guys, just wanted to say I love Scheifele's game, he seems to have it all, I'm jealous.

Jets were a thorn in our side as always last night, good luck with the draft.

 

[pegjets]

Scheifele is sure peaking at the right time for contract negotiations. This definitely was his breakout year.. granted every year has been an improvement, but this really has been a phenomenal year for his personal development.

 

[Aavco Cup]

Scheifele is sure peaking at the right time for contract negotiations. This definitely was his breakout year.. granted every year has been an improvement, but this really has been a phenomenal year for his personal development.

Barkov 59GP 23G 26A 49pts (.83 PPG)
Scheif 65GP 25G 27A 52pts (.80 PPG)
Monahan 75GP 27G 32A 59pts (.79 PPG)

 

[Jetlaggedoil]

Barkov 59GP 23G 26A 49pts (.83 PPG)
Scheif 65GP 25G 27A 52pts (.80 PPG)
Monahan 75GP 27G 32A 59pts (.79 PPG)

As excited as I am about sheif I think it's important to remember he's 23, Monahan is 21 and barkov is only 20. Still very impressive numbers but not directly comparable imo.

 

[Aavco Cup]

As excited as I am about sheif I think it's important to remember he's 23, Monahan is 21 and barkov is only 20. Still very impressive numbers but not directly comparable imo.

I think they are very comparable. In fact Scheifele seems to be improving at the fastest rate among the three right now despite being older.

 

[Dayofthedogs]

Would anyone balk at paying Scheif 6.75 for 8 years?

 

[tade]

You guys have fantastic top line going forward, no doubt. Scheifele could easily develop into true 1st line center, and he's playing like one right now. And then having Little on your 2nd line would be really terrific for you.

Despite this season, I think that future is looking real good for Winnipeg.

 

[Whileee]

Would anyone balk at paying Scheif 6.75 for 8 years?

I think I'd jump at that. Maybe a bit lower AAV, but then they likely won't get the 8 year term. Probably a bit high now, but will be a bargain in a few years. Lock him up.

 

[John Agar]

Will the real secondary scoring please stand up, please stand up!

I like what the top line is doing but after that we need some of the other youngsters to start to develop a bit of a scoring touch.

Petan, Dano, Armia look good but none are really putting up points. That will have to change for this team to take a step forward next year.

Surix'... I hear ya...

I think the Vets playing with these 'talented' individuals are the ones failing. This has been an ongoing problem for a few years now.

More talented youth who are hungry is the answer.

 

[surixon]

I think they are very comparable. In fact Scheifele seems to be improving at the fastest rate among the three right now despite being older.

He's also currently the best possesion player of the 3 as well.

 

[Chewmasey]

Why wouldn't you compare the 3?? Age is just a number, they all have pretty much the same NHL experience. It's starting to all come together for Scheifele.
I enjoy the fact that he still has that extra gear this late in the season, seems like a good sign.

 

[ERYX]

He's also currently the best possesion player of the 3 as well.

Yeah, aside from shot suppression/Corsi against, Scheifele compares very favourably to Couturier.

http://public.tableau.com/shared/JPJQMG73G?:display_count=yes

Also, against Barkov, the Chef is better in all categories except CA60 relative. Not to the same degree as Couturier, but still, very respectable.

http://public.tableau.com/shared/5T7FPYDB6?:display_count=yes

I'm definitely happy with the choice of Scheifele.

(if a mod can embed those charts I'd be much obliged. Using the IMG tag doesn't work)

 

[Dayofthedogs]

 

[GJF]

To the two flyers fans coming by: thanks for the nice words. Appreciated

We're not too worried about our future ourselves. We actually think it's a good thing for us the management and Maurice realized to go with a period of youth movement this season, especially since the deadline, and maybe next season. The league will have to watch out for the Jets sooner than later with the way our young guys are progressing plus having guys like Buff, Little (as mentioned, he would be one of the best 2nd line centers in the league) and Wheeler playing with them in their prime years.

If Hellebuyck developes into at least close to what people expect him to be (and he's on the right track for sure), we're contenders by 2018. Could actually win the cup in 2019 as THN predicted.

 

[Samcanadian]

You know, it's kind of funny...but I think I've had just as much fun watching Armia, Ehlers, Scheifele and Co. this year as I did during our playoff run. If anything, it's been with a miniscule fraction of the stress I went through last season.

 

[Samcanadian]

Would anyone balk at paying Scheif 6.75 for 8 years?

Hmm. The Winnipegger in me cringes at that price, but I'm sure I could be convinced it's worth it. I wouldn't even flinch at signing Scheif for that long @ 6/year though.

 

[mondo3]

Ya i would agree , i gotta say when the Jets drafted Scheifele i was like WHO ? But when the Jets said they picked him because of what Hawerchuk had to say about Scheifele , i felt alot better about the pick . I would soooooo love the Jets to hire Hawerchuk as a assistant coach , i'll tell you right now if they did and got rid of Vincent , our power play would instantly get alot better .

I wonder if Hawerchuk would prefer to remain a junior head coach vs an NHL assistant coach. It might be more satisfying to him to affect the development progress of younger players.

 

[Dayofthedogs]

Hmm. The Winnipegger in me cringes at that price, but I'm sure I could be convinced it's worth it. I wouldn't even flinch at signing Scheif for that long @ 6/year though.

I think if we went for 6 years we could probably get him in the 5.75 to 6.25 range. I'm greedy and wanted the whole 8 though

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Wheeler, Scheifele and Ehlers are going to be fun to watch next year and are going to drive this team for years

OK, question. Does Ehlers stay on the left with Scheif and Wheeler or does he move back to his preferred RW when we are healthy and have added a LW or 2?

I expect Connor to start, sheltered on the 3rd line but to move up when ready. When he moves up would be my guess for the most likely time to move Ehlers back to RW - if that is going to happen. If so does he move to Scheif's right side or Little's? It could be:
Connor - Scheif - Wheeler
Perreault - Little - Ehlers
Or it could be:
Ehlers - Scheif - Wheeler
Connor - Little - Stafford or Armia

I have mixed feelings myself. E-S-W seem to fit so well I don't want to break them up. OTOH Connor might fit there just as well or better. We need a top 6 RW and Ehlers would be it. MP-Little- Ehlers would be dynamic.

 

[surixon]

OK, question. Does Ehlers stay on the left with Scheif and Wheeler or does he move back to his preferred RW when we are healthy and have added a LW or 2?

I expect Connor to start, sheltered on the 3rd line but to move up when ready. When he moves up would be my guess for the most likely time to move Ehlers back to RW - if that is going to happen. If so does he move to Scheif's right side or Little's? It could be:
Connor - Scheif - Wheeler
Perreault - Little - Ehlers
Or it could be:
Ehlers - Scheif - Wheeler
Connor - Little - Stafford or Armia

I have mixed feelings myself. E-S-W seem to fit so well I don't want to break them up. OTOH Connor might fit there just as well or better. We need a top 6 RW and Ehlers would be it. MP-Little- Ehlers would be dynamic.

Hard to say as there are a lot of moving parts. If we say draft either Mathews or one of the Fins then we don't really need him at RW anymore. You keep ESW and build a 2nd powerhouse line.

Conner Mathews/Little Fin/Little

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Thoughts on melchiori's play tonight?

Didn't notice him much. That's a good thing for a D.

 

[Dayofthedogs]

I'm not sure if Ehlers would prefer the RW anymore. Especially if his linemates get to be Scheif and Wheelers.

 

[tade]

To the two flyers fans coming by: thanks for the nice words. Appreciated

We're not too worried about our future ourselves. We actually think it's a good thing for us the management and Maurice realized to go with a period of youth movement this season, especially since the deadline, and maybe next season. The league will have to watch out for the Jets sooner than later with the way our young guys are progressing plus having guys like Buff, Little (as mentioned, he would be one of the best 2nd line centers in the league) and Wheeler playing with them in their prime years.

If Hellebuyck developes into at least close to what people expect him to be (and he's on the right track for sure), we're contenders by 2018. Could actually win the cup in 2019 as THN predicted.

We are looking at quite similar path to our possible success. So maybe we will meet in the SCF at some point in the future?

 

[HannuJ]

Armia's injury sure couldn't have come at a worse time.
he's been an interesting player this year, to put it mildly. he's not quite the enigma that Burmistrov is (Flyers' radio guys were totally confused as to how someone dripping with talent could put up so few points), but he may not be that far off.
next year, i'm wondering if you look at Armia, Dano and Petan and end up choosing 1 or 2 of them, but not all. in the end, if they aren't producing, then they aren't producing.