SHANNYPLAN
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Value of: Wayne Simmonds or Boone Jenner to the Leafs
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Randy Randerson
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we're not at the point that we should be shopping for rentals unless you can get them for the proceeds of dealing JVR/Bozak, which is unlikely
Simmonds is more than a rental, but yeah, point taken.
It's be at least Kapanen and 1st as the ask from our end.
The Jones Zone
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Jarmo appears content to sit pat with what they have in Columbus....maybe even a little gun shy after watching Duchene turn into a disaster so far for Ottawa.
Randy Randerson
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I think getting Simmonds puts us into a similar situation next year that we're in right now with JVR. Simmonds is a better player so as much as I'd love to, I don't think there's a way to turn .75 of a season of JVR (by dealing him for picks/prospects then flipping the proceeds to Philly) into 1.75 seasons of Simmonds without a significant add on our end. I think it's early for us to be dipping into our own futures to bring in vets
BrindamoursNose
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I just don’t know what Toronto would want to offer that makes it worth it for Columbus to trade Jenner. Columbus’s record is similar to the Leafs so they aren’t going to want futures. Jenner will be a rfa so he’s not a rental.
What would you offer Columbus that is cap neutral and improves them now and in the future? What they need is a young cost controlled top6 C.
A young cost controlled 2nd pairing rhd would be the only other possibility
Hint: no rentals no 30 year old + players.
What would you offer Columbus that is cap neutral and improves them now and in the future? What they need is a young cost controlled top6 C.
A young cost controlled 2nd pairing rhd would be the only other possibility
Hint: no rentals no 30 year old + players.
he is being realistic. To get Simmonds, thats what it would probably take. JVR/Bozak are not going to get it done.
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Not sure why we'd want either. We don't need anymore wingers, let alone ones that take up cap moving forward...... unless the plan is to test out Jenner at #3C as a Bozak replacement.
No, its not realistic to think a team is going to trade a 21 year old 60 point RW with lots of team control left for a 29 year old RW with 1.5 years of a contract left, and looking at a significant price increase. And I say this as a Flyers fan.
Literally the fourth post in the thread. Open your eyes.
BrindamoursNose
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I am 100 percent serious.
I think Simmonds for Marner is a legitimate offer Philly should be seeking and value isn't insanely off. Remember, we got Top 5 picks in Schenn and Voracek (plus more) for Richie and Carter. Sure there's arguments to be made about their contracts being longer and being better (maybe), but that's why it's a 1-1 swap I'm proposing.
Marner seems to be the one struggling of the top 3 or 4 big guns in TO...Simmonds could really help them. Gotta give to get -- this may be the price to "get" a Wayne Simmonds.
Randy Randerson
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Neither of Schenn or Voracek (not a top 5 pick) had Marner's NHL success when you traded for them, that makes a big difference in value. Voracek had a good season but had a full year of regression after it
I'm not in favour of the Leafs going after Simmonds so this isn't an attempt to convince you, but I think there was a significant difference in the perceived risk of Schenn/Voracek's offense translating to the NHL than there is with Marner's because of their NHL experience at the time of the trades
Also think that both Richards and Carter were considered more valuable than Simmonds (at least on the ice) at the time of the trades - both were centers, higher high water marks for their careers
Byrral
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As TaketheCannoli stated Jenner is not a rental. I would be interested in Kadri for Jenner + or ++. But if he's off the table there's nothing here. And please don't go down the Bozak path again.
Randy Randerson
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he might be a rental to Toronto depending on what kind of money he commands after next year, we'll have cap constraints - rental in the sense that he might not be a long term roster player, not in the traditional "he's going to walk as a UFA" sense
Yeah, but neither of Schenn or Voracek had shown what Marner has at the NHL level when they were traded. Its obviously only one season and a quarter, but I think that Marner is a much more highly rated player at this point than either of Voracek (who had struggled for 3 seasons before the trade) or Schenn (who, despite being the 'best prospect not playing in the nhl' couldnt make the Kings team.). As you mentioned, Richards and Carter were both young and locked up for a long time at the time of the trade. Simmonds is going to be hitting that 30 mark and only has 18 months of control left.
I also dont buy that 20 games is 'struggling' - mostly because i hated when people said it about Ghost last year.
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Randy Randerson
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part of Kadri's appeal is his steal of a contract that's 4 more years after this one, I'll hang on to him over Jenner for sureNot if you move Kadri
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Agreed.
Simmonds is not getting Marner....no reason to go down that road people. Marner us worth more.
Martin Skoula
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Marner had more points in his rookie season than Simmonds has ever had in his entire career..
