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[LaP]

Sometimes you draft Zboril, DeBrusk and Senyshyn, sometimes you draft Barzal, Conners and Chabot immediately after.
I'll let myself out now.

That draft by Boston is one of the worst draft i have ever seen. They had three 1st round picks, three 2nd round picks and a mid 3rd round pick in a very very very good draft year. They failed miserably. But despite being one of the worst draft in the league history they still ended up with a potent top 6 winger in Debrusk, a potent top 4 dman in Carlo two potent 6th/7th dman in Zobril and Lauzon and a good backup goalie. That's the power in having a lot of picks. You can draft like a drunk grumpy grand pa looking for his glasses and still end up with two useful top 6f / top 4d players, two depth dmen and a backup goalie.

 

[Chili]

Flyers apparently want to sign Artem Anisimov to an NHL contract and are at 50 already. They may already know that someone will claim Bellows.

 

[salbutera]

Yes, the Habs who are rebuilding should sign Monahan to a 4-5 year contract. Definitely no red flags on a guy with multiple hip and wrist surgeries going into his 30s.

I don’t see any team offer 5+ years to Monahan and furthermore, I see him betting on himself on a 2-year deal @ present AAV, getting to 30, then trying to hit the jackpot w cap expected to rise substantially in 2-3 years

IMO, this will be the last year of any rebuild, retool etc. I expect all acquisitions next summer onwards to be focused on helping this team make the playoffs next season & onwards

 

[Whalers Fan]

he was so highly touted, what's up? I never followed him much but looked like such a promising draft pick. I see Philly grabbed him

I watched Bellows play here for the US NTDP (he only played one season), and he was a decent looking offensive prospect at the time. Only played one year in the NCAA before switching to the WHL . He just doesn't seem like he's good enough for the NHL, though.

BTW, when he was here with the NTDP, Bellows was dating the daughter of a business associate of mine. He had nice things to say about Bellows as a person.

 

[salbutera]

That draft by Boston is one of the worst draft i have ever seen. They had three 1st round picks, three 2nd round picks and a mid 3rd round pick in a very very very good draft year. They failed miserably. But despite being one of the worst draft in the league history they still ended up with a potent top 6 winger in Debrusk, a potent top 4 dman in Carlo two potent 6th/7th dman in Zobril and Lauzon and a good backup goalie. That's the power in having a lot of picks. You can draft like a drunk grumpy grand pa looking for his glasses and still end up with two useful top 6f / top 4d players, two depth dmen and a backup goalie.

Or you can have tons of picks like Habs in 2012 & 2013 including 7-in top-60 and end up w only Lehkonen to show

 

[Wateredgarden]

Players like Bellows benefits from their father's acting as personal trainer since they were born, so they often are better when they are children and teenagers, but once the competition get steep and they don't have them natural talent to play against the best they fall.

His first year in the ncaa was bad and it's been as bad since then.

 

[Belial]

Yes, the Habs who are rebuilding should sign Monahan to a 4-5 year contract. Definitely no red flags on a guy with multiple hip and wrist surgeries going into his 30s.

I mean he got both his hips surgically fixed and looks perfectly fine out there in terms of his skating/mobility.

Is he more injury prone than any other player? I doubt that's the case.

This reminds me of all the Markov is done talk after his knee surgeries.

 

[JianYang]

I mean he got both his hips surgically fixed and looks perfectly fine out there in terms of his skating/mobility.

Is he more injury prone than any other player? I doubt that's the case.

This reminds me of all the Markov is done talk after his knee surgeries.

i think any team looking at monhan is thinking short term right now.

If he can prove to stay healthy, then teams will be phoning in at the deadline for sure to make their run.

Beyond this season, who knows. If he goes through the playoffs and still stays relatively healthy, some team might take a chance on a long term deal especially with the cap going up, but either way, I just don't think the Habs are a fit at this stage of their competitive cycle.

Anytime a player has hip or back troubles, they are automatic red flags to me because they have a tendency to become chronic.

 

[JRichard]

That draft by Boston is one of the worst draft i have ever seen. They had three 1st round picks, three 2nd round picks and a mid 3rd round pick in a very very very good draft year. They failed miserably. But despite being one of the worst draft in the league history they still ended up with a potent top 6 winger in Debrusk, a potent top 4 dman in Carlo two potent 6th/7th dman in Zobril and Lauzon and a good backup goalie. That's the power in having a lot of picks. You can draft like a drunk grumpy grand pa looking for his glasses and still end up with two useful top 6f / top 4d players, two depth dmen and a backup goalie.

All nice in theory but you can play multiple numbers at roulette and miss like 10 in a row just to see an old lady putting all her 5 chips on number 5 and sure enough 5 hits. She forgets to pick up her bet so of course it hits again. After the top 20 picks nhl drafting is closer to roulette than we think.

Would like to know if a team ever traded all their top 3 picks for at least 5 yrs in a row for proven nhl players and see the results.

 

[417]

I mean he got both his hips surgically fixed and looks perfectly fine out there in terms of his skating/mobility.

Is he more injury prone than any other player? I doubt that's the case.

This reminds me of all the Markov is done talk after his knee surgeries.

Yes his demise was greatly exagerrated but I also think it's unlikely he's going to parlay this season into a 4+ year contract this offseason.

 

[LaP]

Or you can have tons of picks like Habs in 2012 & 2013 including 7-in top-60 and end up w only Lehkonen to show

Only 1 first round pick though. A 25th overall. Boston had 3 picks better than this one.

Also you're wrong CH had only 4 top 70 picks. one 1st round, three 2nd round and two 3rd rounds (including one at the end of the 3rd round.
Boston had 6 top 70 picks including 13rd, 14th and 15th all better than the best picks Mtl had.

 

[salbutera]

Only 1 first round pick though. A 25th overall. Boston had 3 picks better than this one.

Also you're wrong CH had only 4 top 70 picks. one 1st round, three 2nd round and two 3rd rounds (including one at the end of the 3rd round.
Boston had 6 top 70 picks including 13rd, 14th and 15th all better than the best picks Mtl had.

2 - 3OA in 2012 and 25OA in 2013

2012: 3OA + 2-2nds + early 3rd
2013: 25OA + 3-2nds

 

[LaP]

All nice in theory but you can play multiple numbers at roulette and miss like 10 in a row just to see an old lady putting all her 5 chips on number 5 and sure enough 5 hits. She forgets to pick up her bet so of course it hits again. After the top 20 picks nhl drafting is closer to roulette than we think.
Would like to know if a team ever traded all their top 3 picks for at least 5 yrs in a row for proven nhl players and see the results.

Of course you can. But why are we arguing about "the most attempts you have the more chances you have to win once". I mean it's like arguing the sun wont rise tomorrow. The roulette is made so the more you play the more you'll lose. The draft is not like the roulette. It doesn't matter if you lose 10 times in a row as long as you win big once. And the more picks you got the more chance you got to find the Hintz or Robertson of this year depth draft. Obviously you wont sacrifice Suzuki, Caufield, Dach, Guhle, ... for this opportunity. But Monahan/Edmundson hell yes you should. BTW the roulette got a green to make sure the casino in the long term wins (you'll always have less than 50% to win). It's rigged.

 

[Habs Icing]

Problem is we don't need any of those guys so having a guy that fits better would be pointless. It's like having two cars a BMW X3 2022 and a Tercel 1980 all black Hong Kong movies style but you need just one of them and replacing your secondary useless car the Tercel 1980 by a Civic 2000 with less rust because it's a better fit. Caufield-Suzuki-Dach Hoffman-Monahan-Slaf Anderson-Dvorak-Gallagher Bellows is not really a better fit than Hoffman for this year and for next year we have better prospects than him and there will be better options available anyway.

I'm confused. When did this site become Auto Hebdo?

 

[WeThreeKings]

I mean he got both his hips surgically fixed and looks perfectly fine out there in terms of his skating/mobility.

Is he more injury prone than any other player? I doubt that's the case.

This reminds me of all the Markov is done talk after his knee surgeries.

Markov had one of the greatest hockey minds to compensate for the fact that he did lose speed and agility. Monahan is not on the same planet as Markov in that regard.

A Monahan extension is one of the most short-sighted things we could do. Not surprising from people who didn't believe the Gallagher contract was going to be toxic the minute it was signed.

 

[JRichard]

Of course you can. But why are we arguing about "the most attempts you have the more chances you have to win once". I mean it's like arguing the sun wont rise tomorrow. The roulette is made so the more you play the more you'll lose. The draft is not like the roulette. It doesn't matter if you lose 10 times in a row as long as you win big once. And the more picks you got the more chance you got to find the Hintz or Robertson of this year depth draft. Obviously you wont sacrifice Suzuki, Caufield, Dach, Guhle, ... for this opportunity. But Monahan/Edmundson hell yes you should. BTW the roulette got a green to make sure the casino in the long term wins (you'll always have less than 50% to win). It's rigged.

And two greens in US and some Euro countries. Just discussing idea of getting nhl proven talent instead of loading up on picks when trading away players. Just found an interesting read. Picks 1-10 probability of hitting decreases quickly then stabilizes from 10-25. Then it drops quickly again up to 40 then stable until around 60.

 

[CapSpace]

That draft by Boston is one of the worst draft i have ever seen. They had three 1st round picks, three 2nd round picks and a mid 3rd round pick in a very very very good draft year. They failed miserably. But despite being one of the worst draft in the league history they still ended up with a potent top 6 winger in Debrusk, a potent top 4 dman in Carlo two potent 6th/7th dman in Zobril and Lauzon and a good backup goalie. That's the power in having a lot of picks. You can draft like a drunk grumpy grand pa looking for his glasses and still end up with two useful top 6f / top 4d players, two depth dmen and a backup goalie.

Honestly, if I was a Bruins fan I'd still have nightmares about this draft.

 

[Belial]

Yes his demise was greatly exagerrated but I also think it's unlikely he's going to parlay this season into a 4+ year contract this offseason.

There's definitely some risk involved but you can probably say that about the majority of players going into their thirties.

I would be ready to take a bet, at worst you LTIR him for the remainder of his contract if he breaks down.

 

[Belial]

Markov had one of the greatest hockey minds to compensate for the fact that he did lose speed and agility. Monahan is not on the same planet as Markov in that regard.

A Monahan extension is one of the most short-sighted things we could do. Not surprising from people who didn't believe the Gallagher contract was going to be toxic the minute it was signed.

Not all players are finished as soon as they hit 30 years old...

 

[WeThreeKings]

Not all players are finished as soon as they hit 30 years old...

Not all players have an injury and surgery list 5 pages long.

 

[JRichard]

Honestly, if I was a Bruins fan I'd still have nightmares about this draft.

What did they give away to get these 2 bonus selections?
With teams using between 5-10 of their own draftees (Mtl 6), missing out at the draft might not teams all that much.
edit: Lucic and Dougie Hamilton. Other picks-players involved but they let go of 2 big pieces and got next to nothing back

 

[JRichard]

During same week, Boston picked up 3 extra 1st and 2 extra 2nd. Gave away ML, DH and martin Jones.

Pretty sure their fanbase was happy with the deals bc of all that future potential, yet they whiffed on all picks.

They got 2 first, Colin miller and Kuraly for Lucic Who played well for 2 more years.

 

[Belial]

Not all players have an injury and surgery list 5 pages long.

He had a career year after his wrist issues were fixed so I doubt his wrists are finished.

The reason he struggled last year and the year before was his hips and he got surgery on both.

These hip surgeries are more and more common and players are able to recover pretty well and continue to play at a high level.

Kucherov, Pastrnak, Seguin, Marchand...

 

[WeThreeKings]

He had a career year after his wrist issues were fixed so I doubt his wrists are finished.

The reason he struggled last year and the year before was his hips and he got surgery on both.

These hip surgeries are more and more common and players are able to recover pretty well and continue to play at a high level.

Kucherov, Pastrnak, Seguin, Marchand...

You've got Bergevin brain still.

 

[Belial]

You've got Bergevin brain still.

Lmao, how many more years do you think this team needs to suck so that you feel comfortable?

They're gonna push for the PO as soon as next season IMO or at least try and do it.

Monahan is definitely not too old for the so-called rebuild.

Sure if you think we're going to suck balls for 4 more years then trading him is a no-brainer.