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[Canucks1096]

Why do MDZ or Gagner need any term?
Do you think we won't notice Eriksson, Gudbranson,Sutter, and for completeness sake Dorsett.

Sutter and Dorsett were signed after the 100 points season. Teams don't usually rebuild after a 100 points season. 2015/2016 Canucks were bad and then decided to sign Eriksson . That point they were still trying to win. But by the trade deadline of 2017 they decided to rebuild. Hansen and Burrows trades and in Free Agency they didn't give out any crazy long term contracts. If that is not of sign of a rebuild I don't know want is.

If Gagner and MDZ don't get any term. They might not even signed here. No Gagner you have Megna and Chaput playing. You want Megna or Chaput on the roster? No MDZ? you don't have 1 D prospect in the organization that was ready in the nhl. Maybe not next season as well.

With Gudbranson I didn't really like the signing. He is only 26 but he is still young enough that he can be part of the rebuild

Many fans think these Veterans are stealing ice time from prospects. Correction the prospects are not ready.

Rebuild doesn't mean you play a bunch young players that are not ready.

 

[pgj98m3]

Sutter and Dorsett were signed after the 100 points season. Teams don't usually rebuild after a 100 points season. 2015/2016 Canucks were bad and then decided to sign Eriksson . That point they were still trying to win. But by the trade deadline of 2017 they decided to rebuild. Hansen and Burrows trades and in Free Agency they didn't give out any crazy long term contracts. If that is not of sign of a rebuild I don't know want is.

If Gagner and MDZ don't get any term. They might not even signed here. No Gagner you have Megna and Chaput playing. You want Megna or Chaput on the roster? No MDZ? you don't have 1 D prospect in the organization that was ready in the nhl. Maybe not next season as well.

With Gudbranson I didn't really like the signing. He is only 26 but he is still young enough that he can be part of the rebuild

Many fans think these Veterans are stealing ice time from prospects. Correction the prospects are not ready.

Rebuild doesn't mean you play a bunch young players that are not ready.

You realize that your paymasters have repeatedly stated they were building a team to compete and be playing meaningful games in March. They have spent to the cap.
We are competing for last place.

 

[CanaFan]

Sutter and Dorsett were signed after the 100 points season. Teams don't usually rebuild after a 100 points season. 2015/2016 Canucks were bad and then decided to sign Eriksson . That point they were still trying to win. But by the trade deadline of 2017 they decided to rebuild. Hansen and Burrows trades and in Free Agency they didn't give out any crazy long term contracts. If that is not of sign of a rebuild I don't know want is.

If Gagner and MDZ don't get any term. They might not even signed here. No Gagner you have Megna and Chaput playing. You want Megna or Chaput on the roster? No MDZ? you don't have 1 D prospect in the organization that was ready in the nhl. Maybe not next season as well.

With Gudbranson I didn't really like the signing. He is only 26 but he is still young enough that he can be part of the rebuild

Many fans think these Veterans are stealing ice time from prospects. Correction the prospects are not ready.

Rebuild doesn't mean you play a bunch young players that are not ready.

No but rebuilding does mean trading away assets for draft picks and prospects. There has been astonishingly few trades that fit that bill in Benning’s time here. Certainly the majority of his focus has been on acquiring low-end but NHL ready assets and signing UFAs.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

You realize that your paymasters have repeatedly stated they were building a team to compete and be playing meaningful games in March. They have spent to the cap.
We are competing for last place.

Besides Eriksson ,they have spent to the cap on short term,movable contracts....Its only money,and Aquilini has bags of it.

 

[timw33]

Besides Eriksson ,they have spent to the cap on short term,movable contracts....Its only money,and Aquilini has bags of it.

They aren't moveable contracts when they are overpaid for very ineffective players...

No one is going to take a flyer on Nilsson and his $2.5MM when he plays like a 700k third stringer. No one is going to want Gagner and his 3.1MM for 2 more years.

It's not just money....there's a salary cap, and managers are judged on how effectively they manage the limited resources they have. Spending to the cap for what's going to be a 59-64 point season is a screaming indictment of their inability to manage the cap effectively.

 

[Black Noise]

Besides Eriksson ,they have spent to the cap on short term,movable contracts....Its only money,and Aquilini has bags of it.

Ya cap space is totally worthless right? Great logic.

"Only money", christ you understand how the leagues works right? You only have a certain amount and this team is spending as much as they possibly can and still sucks.

You don't just hand out garbage contracts because its "only money".

The Canucks are paying Eriksson, Sutter, Gagner and Gudbranson $17.5 million next and the season after that. How is that ok?

 

[Wo Yorfat]

Ya cap space is totally worthless right? Great logic.

"Only money", christ you understand how the leagues works right? You only have a certain amount and this team is spending as much as they possibly can and still sucks.

You don't just hand out garbage contracts because its "only money".

The Canucks are paying Eriksson, Sutter, Gagner and Gudbranson $17.5 million next and the season after that. How is that ok?

You fellas would have better luck explaining gravity to a goldfish.

 

[CanaFan]

How many of these “movable contracts” have actually been moved? Vanek? And apparently he was garbage that no one around the league wanted or something. Is the goal just to hope someone will take them or is there any hope of getting assets back? Cause that’d be awfully helpful to, like, rebuilding or something.

 

[Hit the post]

If Gagner and MDZ don't get any term. They might not even signed here. No Gagner you have Megna and Chaput playing. You want Megna or Chaput on the roster? No MDZ? you don't have 1 D prospect in the organization that was ready in the nhl. Maybe not next season as well.

Or perhaps you don't let a guy that wanted to be here walk (and lose him for nothing)? Like a guy who *right now* is still a 2nd pairing D (on a playoff team) today? A guy that actually would be an ok veteran mentor (because he often was given that task under Trotz when he was a Pred). What is his current contract with the Stars? He signed a two year deal making less than what Benning is paying a #6 D on this team (to sit in the infirmary alot of the time) right now. Only advantage Guds has over Hamhuis is that he's a right side D (though that hardly makes up for being a 'meh' defenseman).

 

[Canucks1096]

No but rebuilding does mean trading away assets for draft picks and prospects. There has been astonishingly few trades that fit that bill in Benning’s time here. Certainly the majority of his focus has been on acquiring low-end but NHL ready assets and signing UFAs.

You can't really sell much if there is not much to sell. Also players on ntc that don't want to be traded like the Sedins and Edler.

 

[Canucks1096]

You realize that your paymasters have repeatedly stated they were building a team to compete and be playing meaningful games in March. They have spent to the cap.
We are competing for last place.

What is Linden suppose to say. Is suppose to say we plan to rebuild and lose every game and hopefully get better odds at 1st overall. Any team that rebuild will never say that.

Yes they spent to the cap but like I said they still need to put players on the ice to play



Either you signed those stop gap players or you play prospects that are not ready? It either those 2 options Unless there is option number 3 that I don't know about.

You say they are not rebuilding. So what do they have to do to rebuild?

 

[Canucks1096]

Or perhaps you don't let a guy that wanted to be here walk (and lose him for nothing)? Like a guy who *right now* is still a 2nd pairing D (on a playoff team) today? A guy that actually would be an ok veteran mentor (because he often was given that task under Trotz when he was a Pred). What is his current contract with the Stars? He signed a two year deal making less than what Benning is paying a #6 D on this team (to sit in the infirmary alot of the time) right now. Only advantage Guds has over Hamhuis is that he's a right side D (though that hardly makes up for being a 'meh' defenseman).

Yes I agree.

Still dont quite understand why Hamhuis wasn't traded.

 

[Thiccboiboeser]

What is Linden suppose to say. Is suppose to say we plan to rebuild and lose every game and hopefully get better odds at 1st overall. Any team that rebuild will never say that.

Yes they spent to the cap but like I said they still need to put players on the ice to play



Either you signed those stop gap players or you play prospects that are not ready? It either those 2 options Unless there is option number 3 that I don't know about.

You say they are not rebuilding. So what do they have to do to rebuild?

3 words
New
York
Rangers

 

[CanaFan]

You can't really sell much if there is not much to sell. Also players on ntc that don't want to be traded like the Sedins and Edler.

Even garbage goes for inflated returns around the TDL. And the point is to get what you can for these assets rather than keep them until they walk or devalue further. Not to mention all the picks wasted on age-gap crap that could have been used to actually draft.

The behaviour has been consistently focussed on acquiring marginal NHL talent today rather than draft picks and prospects with unsettled ceilings and potential. It’s the wrong strategy because in a rebuild the one asset you have to sell is time. You get a premium by selling your “ready today” pieces to teams looking to fill holes for a cup run in exchange for “wait and see” pieces that benefit a rebuilding team more than a cup team. It is backwards for a rebuilding team to flip that equation and focus on today when they have zero chance to compete for a cup or (as its turned out) even compete for playoffs.

 

[Canucks1096]

3 words
New
York
Rangers

There is one major problem Canucks don't have a Nash, Ryan Mcdonagh or a Grabner to trade

 

[CanaFan]

What is Linden suppose to say. Is suppose to say we plan to rebuild and lose every game and hopefully get better odds at 1st overall. Any team that rebuild will never say that.

Always this old chestnut. Like the only choice is between saying we want to make playoffs or we want to lose every game. Go look up how Babcock handled his first press conference when he joined the Leafs for a realistic middle road.

You say they are not rebuilding. So what do they have to do to rebuild?

Acquire a single f***ing draft pick somewhere in the first 90 picks over 3 TDL’s would be a nice start.

 

[CanaFan]

There is one major problem Canucks don't have a Nash, Ryan Mcdonagh or a Grabner to trade

Ya Michael Grabner and his 6 career playoff goals sets such a high bar. And I guess Tanev is not tradeable because ...?

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Ya cap space is totally worthless right? Great logic.

"Only money", christ you understand how the leagues works right? You only have a certain amount and this team is spending as much as they possibly can and still sucks.

You don't just hand out garbage contracts because its "only money".

The Canucks are paying Eriksson, Sutter, Gagner and Gudbranson $17.5 million next and the season after that. How is that ok?

Lets get overdramatic shall we?....The only crap contract is Erikssons.(and thats front loaded as well..which means they could possibly move him down the road)...All the other contracts are manageable and short term,and they're for plugs to fill the holes until the younger players can step in.

When the Sedins are off the books,theres another $14M available...Horvat is the only big ticket contract that we have moving forward,plus the young players will be coming in with their ELC's

Capspace is not a problem.

 

[pgj98m3]

Lets get overdramatic shall we?....The only crap contract is Erikssons.(and thats front loaded as well..which means they could possibly move him down the road)...All the other contracts are manageable and short term,and they're for plugs to fill the holes until the younger players can step in.

When the Sedins are off the books,theres another $14M available...Horvat is the only big ticket contract that we have moving forward,plus the young players will be coming in with their ELC's

Capspace is not a problem.

Enjoy your paycheque astroturfer

 

[Canucks1096]

Even garbage goes for inflated returns around the TDL. And the point is to get what you can for these assets rather than keep them until they walk or devalue further. Not to mention all the picks wasted on age-gap crap that could have been used to actually draft.

The behaviour has been consistently focussed on acquiring marginal NHL talent today rather than draft picks and prospects with unsettled ceilings and potential. It’s the wrong strategy because in a rebuild the one asset you have to sell is time. You get a premium by selling your “ready today” pieces to teams looking to fill holes for a cup run in exchange for “wait and see” pieces that benefit a rebuilding team more than a cup team. It is backwards for a rebuilding team to flip that equation and focus on today when they have zero chance to compete for a cup or (as its turned out) even compete for playoffs.

Tell me what ready pieces Canucks have that teams want? Tell me what Canucks Player and what can we get for that player?

Aside from Tanev? Other Veteran either don't have much value or have a ntc. "Garbage players goes for inflated returns" 100% disagree

Maybe the Canucks are trying to trade Tanev but there no premium offer for him. Canucks fan usually over value there players trade value. Still remember some people thought Lack will get a 2st or 2nd round pick and he ended up getting a 3rd round pick.

Aside from the Hamhuis mistake. There wasn't much to sell that team wanted.

 

[Canucks1096]

Ya Michael Grabner and his 6 career playoff goals sets such a high bar. And I guess Tanev is not tradeable because ...?

This nhl is all about speed and Grabner is one of fastest player in the nhl. If a team trades a 2nd round pick for him. It doesn't mean our player is worth a second round pick as well.

Tanev is tradeable.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Always this old chestnut. Like the only choice is between saying we want to make playoffs or we want to lose every game. Go look up how Babcock handled his first press conference when he joined the Leafs for a realistic middle road.




Acquire a single ****ing draft pick somewhere in the first 90 picks over 3 TDL’s would be a nice start.

Since you're bringing up Babcock and the Leafs..How many 'acquired' picks are helping the Leafs right now?

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Enjoy your paycheque astroturfer

Will do..I have to feed the cats now..

 

[Canucks1096]

Always this old chestnut. Like the only choice is between saying we want to make playoffs or we want to lose every game. Go look up how Babcock handled his first press conference when he joined the Leafs for a realistic middle road.




Acquire a single ****ing draft pick somewhere in the first 90 picks over 3 TDL’s would be a nice start.

This was roster in Oct

Baertschi Horvat Boeser
Sedin Sedin Vanek
Eriksson Sutter Grandlund
Gaunce Gagner Virtanen
Dorsett retired
Burmistrov Russia

Edler Tanev.
MDZ Gudbranson
Hutton Stecher
Pouliot Biega

Markstrom
Nilsson

Who should we sell and what we could of got back?

 

[CanaFan]

Tell me what ready pieces Canucks have that teams want? Tell me what Canucks Player and what can we get for that player?

Aside from Tanev? Other Veteran either don't have much value or have a ntc. "Garbage players goes for inflated returns" 100% disagree

Maybe the Canucks are trying to trade Tanev but there no premium offer for him. Canucks fan usually over value there players trade value. Still remember some people thought Lack will get a 2st or 2nd round pick and he ended up getting a 3rd round pick.

Aside from the Hamhuis mistake. There wasn't much to sell that team wanted.

Literally any player on the roster since 2014 save Sedins, Edler, and Horvat.

How about Higgins in 2014? Hamhuis in 2015? Miller in 2016? Gudbranson this year? Del Zotto? Sutter?

How about looking for draft picks instead of junk like Motte, Pouliot, and Goldobin?

How about not wasting picks and prospects to acquire junk Gudbranson, Clendenning, Vey, Granlund, and Sutter?

I dunno man, there’s any number of options if you actually look. Seems you don’t really want to though.