Confirmed with Link: [VAN/CBJ] Canucks acquire F Tyler Motte, Jussi Jokinen for F Thomas Vanek

[krutovsdonut]

Really I don't know what is worst, not getting a draft pick back in a Vanek trade, on not being offered a draft pick for Vanek. Really pick your poison.

i didn't like the vanek signing. it took me 1/3rd of the season to warm to him much and admit he was good value for his contract. i still wanted him traded for anything of value at the tdl.

i just do not find it terribly surprising that playoff bound teams were not interested in adding this player.

 

[pgj98m3]

i didn't like the vanek signing. it took me 1/3rd of the season to warm to him much and admit he was good value for his contract. i still wanted him traded for anything of value at the tdl.

i just do not find it terribly surprising that playoff bound teams were not interested in adding this player.

So you're not happy right?????

 

[krutovsdonut]

So you're not happy right?????

i'm disappointed in motte as a return. i would have liked to see someone better. but if that was the return the market offered, i will live with it. we're talking about something we got in return for a very late summer 1 year contract ufa. he is found money.

 

[pgj98m3]

i'm disappointed in motte as a return. i would have liked to see someone better. but if that was the return the market offered, i will live with it. we're talking about something we got in return for a very late summer 1 year contract ufa. he is found money.

We're talking Monopoly money...c'mon man, can't you admit Benning really f***ed up???

 

[GetFocht]

glad Vanek is doing well, that guy puts points wherever he is.

 

[Hit the post]

glad Vanek is doing well, that guy puts points wherever he is.

Regular season sure...post-season? I could see why there wasn't a ton of interest in Vanek.

 

[racerjoe]

i didn't like the vanek signing. it took me 1/3rd of the season to warm to him much and admit he was good value for his contract. i still wanted him traded for anything of value at the tdl.

i just do not find it terribly surprising that playoff bound teams were not interested in adding this player.

It's not just the Motte part, its that we took a cap dump back to get Motte... a guy who really shouldn't be an NHLer.

 

[Ainec]

Ignorant post

yes you

 

[Ainec]

You guys are delusional, until I hear that another gm was offering picks for vanek, I’m gonna take McKenzie’s word that there weren’t any draft picks available for him, you guys keep spinning around in your hate-filled existence.

we are the delusional ones

yup, Vanek is a playoff choker that's good for 40+ points and capable of driving offense at his age

worth nothing.

 

[vancityluongo]

a player like motte is just not easily available except at a price.

Chicago Blackhawks: Did We Give Up On Tyler Motte Too Soon?

Eliteprospects.com - AHL Stats 2017-2018

Motte ranks 55th in PPG for U24 forwards in the AHL. Most of those players were drafted as late round picks (and haven't panned out) or signed out of college/Europe.

 

[coldsteel79]

Really I don't know what is worst, not getting a draft pick back in a Vanek trade, on not being offered a draft pick for Vanek. Really pick your poison.

I honestly think there will be a lot of GMs kicking themselves for not taking a flyer on him. He’s a different player than the Montreal version.

 

[coldsteel79]

we are the delusional ones

yup, Vanek is a playoff choker that's good for 40+ points and capable of driving offense at his age

worth nothing.

So in your mind Benning turned down draft picks?

 

[Ainec]

So in your mind Benning turned down draft picks?

in my mind any other GM would have gotten more for Thomas Vanek

 

[coldsteel79]

in my mind any other GM would have gotten more for Thomas Vanek

How? It’s an open market highest bid got him. He’s not some secret player that gms need to be “sold” on.

 

[Ainec]

How? It’s an open market highest bid got him. He’s not some secret player that gms need to be “sold” on.

a trade involves two parties

if the other party has done their research and know all about dim jim, this is the final result

 

[FroshaugFan2]

You guys are delusional, until I hear that another gm was offering picks for vanek, I’m gonna take McKenzie’s word that there weren’t any draft picks available for him, you guys keep spinning around in your hate-filled existence.

Zero picks being offered for Vanek isn't the same thing as zero picks being available for Vanek.

 

[pitseleh]

Trading a hockey player isn't like buying a barrel of oil or a bushel of wheat. Your ability to extract a good price depends on your negotiation skills and salesmanship. People are working with imperfect information.

 

[krutovsdonut]

We're talking Monopoly money...c'mon man, can't you admit Benning really ****ed up???

not only can't i admit it, i think there is a much better explanation. i think nobody wanted the guy.

this is a repeat of the vrbata nonsense.

flashback to the 2016 tdl. vrbata is a soft 34 year old winger having a terrible season with a $5 million cap hit and he garners zero tdl interest. to this day a bunch of people here say benning is an idiot for this "bungle", and hypothesize a "better gm" could have gotten something. yet not only does the evidence not support this, but there is clear evidence no play off team wants this guy.

come to the 2016 summer offseason and vrbata is still not in demand as a ufa. he ends up taking a $1 million incentivized contract with the bottom feeding yotes.

come to the next tdl, and boy wonder gm chayka cannot get an offer for vrbata either, even though vrbata's cap hit is now just a fraction of what benning was peddling, and even though vrbata is having a much better 55 point season (much like vanek's this year).

yet benning is still called an idiot over failing to trade vrbata. it's nonsense.

the reality is that at the tdl many gm's who are buyers do not want to add soft aging wingers who can produce (esp in the regular season) but who need top 6/pp time to do it. there is maybe a limited market for teams looking for regular season offence just to make the playoffs, but these are not the guys that gms add to try and compete for the cup.

so fast forward to vanek. here we have a guy on his 8th team in 9 years. he has been dumped by multiple teams, and bought out by minnesota. he languished on the ufa market most of last summer because nobody wanted him. prior to that the panthers paid a 3rd rounder for him at the tdl, and then let him walk (they signed vrbata for $2.5m instead!). he didn't help the panthers. and arguably the panthers only traded for him to try and make the playoffs, not with any serious idea of competing if they got there.

basically, both these guys jump around from bad team to bad team adding offence but nothing else. conventional wisdom in the nhl is they might help get you to the playoffs, but they are not expected to help once there. hence a lot of teams repeatedly pass on them.

 

[y2kcanucks]

i love how you are incredulous that someone doesn't take your word for it that benning is a flat out liar based on the pathetic circumstantial case you make by cherry picking a quote.

He said he wants to make a hockey deal. On deadline day he made a hockey deal. What about this don't you understand?

 

[F A N]

He said he wants to make a hockey deal. On deadline day he made a hockey deal. What about this don't you understand?

So success? Weird

 

[y2kcanucks]

So success? Weird

What are you talking about? The point being that he got the type of deal he targeted. The problem is he should have been targeting draft picks.

 

[RobertKron]

So success? Weird

If I say I want to hit myself in the head with a hammer, and then I hit myself I the head with a hammer, I still got hit with a f***ing hammer, but yes, I guess that would be a success.

 

[coldsteel79]

not only can't i admit it, i think there is a much better explanation. i think nobody wanted the guy.

this is a repeat of the vrbata nonsense.

flashback to the 2016 tdl. vrbata is a soft 34 year old winger having a terrible season with a $5 million cap hit and he garners zero tdl interest. to this day a bunch of people here say benning is an idiot for this "bungle", and hypothesize a "better gm" could have gotten something. yet not only does the evidence not support this, but there is clear evidence no play off team wants this guy.

come to the 2016 summer offseason and vrbata is still not in demand as a ufa. he ends up taking a $1 million incentivized contract with the bottom feeding yotes.

come to the next tdl, and boy wonder gm chayka cannot get an offer for vrbata either, even though vrbata's cap hit is now just a fraction of what benning was peddling, and even though vrbata is having a much better 55 point season (much like vanek's this year).

yet benning is still called an idiot over failing to trade vrbata. it's nonsense.

the reality is that at the tdl many gm's who are buyers do not want to add soft aging wingers who can produce (esp in the regular season) but who need top 6/pp time to do it. there is maybe a limited market for teams looking for regular season offence just to make the playoffs, but these are not the guys that gms add to try and compete for the cup.

so fast forward to vanek. here we have a guy on his 8th team in 9 years. he has been dumped by multiple teams, and bought out by minnesota. he languished on the ufa market most of last summer because nobody wanted him. prior to that the panthers paid a 3rd rounder for him at the tdl, and then let him walk (they signed vrbata for $2.5m instead!). he didn't help the panthers. and arguably the panthers only traded for him to try and make the playoffs, not with any serious idea of competing if they got there.

basically, both these guys jump around from bad team to bad team adding offence but nothing else. conventional wisdom in the nhl is they might help get you to the playoffs, but they are not expected to help once there. hence a lot of teams repeatedly pass on them.

Get out of here with this well thought out response, don’t you know dim Jim sucks! Hes so dumb!

 

[krutovsdonut]

It's not just the Motte part, its that we took a cap dump back to get Motte... a guy who really shouldn't be an NHLer.

a cap dump? really? we took a guy with $200k remaining on a one year salary off their hands. we have no roster constraints. you are going to complain about that?

 

[krutovsdonut]

If I say I want to hit myself in the head with a hammer, and then I hit myself I the head with a hammer, I still got hit with a ****ing hammer, but yes, I guess that would be a success.

bad analogy.