Player Discussion Tyson Barrie II: To Extend or Not to extend? At What Price/Term?

[MessierII]

It’s probably a 90% chance that Barrie signs with another team. I’m really not comfortable with a RD depth chart of Larsson-Bear-Bouchard.

I am as long as you shore up the left side.

 

[Spawn]

All that matters is playoffs now and Barrie sucked. Down the river he goes.

Did he? He didn’t produce much offensively, but he made fewer costly mistakes than either Bear or Larsson.

 

[MettleMcOiler]

Barrie was a great fit. If we didn't have Bouchard coming up, it would make sense to sign him to term.

But If you an opportunity to upgrade a position, which there is in Hamilton being a FA, I would want to pay a bit more to sign.

RD would look like if this would happen:
Hamilton
Larsson
Bear
Bouchard

One of Bouchard and Bear would have to be traded. You should be able to get a very good player to fill a need for the team.

Our RD would be set for the foreseeable future.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Did he? He didn’t produce much offensively, but he made fewer costly mistakes than either Bear or Larsson.

Just goes to show how great our defense really is...

 

[Beerfish]

I am still firmly in the retain Barrie as #1 priority camp (very small camp on here).

I will say one thing if he does not return Bouchard had better friggin be pencilled in for that roll. I see a lot of suggestions that we can let Barrie go because we have Bouchard ready to go. I do not have a whole heck of a lot of confidence that the oilers brain trust and coaches will stick him in that spot right away.

 

[Smartguy]

I am still firmly in the retain Barrie as #1 priority camp (very small camp on here).

I will say one thing if he does not return Bouchard had better friggin be pencilled in for that roll. I see a lot of suggestions that we can let Barrie go because we have Bouchard ready to go. I do not have a whole heck of a lot of confidence that the oilers rain trust and coaches will stick him in that spot right away.

Nor should they, Bouchard will have to earn Barrie’s role,Bouchard needs to play though and if Larsson is coming back you have to cut bait on either Barrie or Bouchard, and Bouchard will be cost controlled at least. People arguing that you keep Barrie and play Bouchard doesn’t make much sense. As we seen Tippett sit Bouchard majority of the year because of that set up.

If Barrie is let go and Klefbom doesn’t return your looking at

Nurse-Bear/Bouchard
UFA/Trade-Larsson
Russel/Jones-Bear/Bouchard

The issue with running a right side of Barrie-Larsson-Bouchard, is you now have 2 players that need protected offensive minutes in Barrie and Bouchard on the right side. Not to mention neither of those 2 are relied on to play PK, something both Larsson and Bear do.

Having 2 offensive defensemen with similar skill sets on the back end, not to mention one you likely have to pay over 6M for, doesn’t make much sense.

As I highlighted above your likely better off putting that money into a LD at 5/6M or going after a Seth Jones where he at least brings more two way ability.

Either way I didn’t bump this thread to redo this discussion altogether again, just wanted to share some highlights from his recent interview.

 

[Beerfish]

Nor should they, Bouchard will have to earn Barrie’s role,Bouchard needs to play though and if Larsson is coming back you have to cut bait on either Barrie or Bouchard, and Bouchard will be cost controlled at least. People arguing that you keep Barrie and play Bouchard doesn’t make much sense. As we seen Tippett sit Bouchard majority of the year because of that set up.

If Barrie is let go and Klefbom doesn’t return your looking at

Nurse-Bear/Bouchard
UFA/Trade-Larsson
Russel/Jones-Bear/Bouchard

The issue with running a right side of Barrie-Larsson-Bouchard, is you now have 2 players that need protected offensive minutes in Barrie and Bouchard on the right side. Not to mention neither of those 2 are relied on to play PK, something both Larsson and Bear do.

Having 2 offensive defensemen with similar skill sets on the back end, not to mention one you likely have to pay over 6M for, doesn’t make much sense.

As I highlighted above your likely better off putting that money into a LD at 5/6M or going after a Seth Jones where he at least brings more two way ability.

Either way I didn’t bump this thread to redo this discussion altogether again, just wanted to share some highlights from his recent interview.

This team FINALLY after 15 years or more of not having a true good offensive puck moving guy who can get the puck to the stars and FINALLY have offene from the back and we are happy to just shrug and go back to 3 goals an 8 assists from all of our 'shut down' guys.

In todays NHL a guy who is the leading scoring Dman in the league s far more valuable than the grossly inflated value of a guy like Larsson who has been nothing but inconsistent since he came here. (He was good last year.)

I'd rather have 2 offensive Dmen than zero and with the attitude of 'oh well Bouchard has to earn it' and how does he earn it? By not playing at all apparently.

 

[JayE]

This team FINALLY after 15 years or more of not having a true good offensive puck moving guy who can get the puck to the stars and FINALLY have offene from the back and we are happy to just shrug and go back to 3 goals an 8 assists from all of our 'shut down' guys.

In todays NHL a guy who is the leading scoring Dman in the league s far more valuable than the grossly inflated value of a guy like Larsson who has been nothing but inconsistent since he came here. (He was good last year.)

I'd rather have 2 offensive Dmen than zero and with the attitude of 'oh well Bouchard has to earn it' and how does he earn it? By not playing at all apparently.

This would make sense if Barrie was a particularly good puck-mover; He isn't. Relative to the price they'll sign for, Larsson is much more valuable.

 

[tardigrade81]

Barrie was a great fit. If we didn't have Bouchard coming up, it would make sense to sign him to term.

But If you an opportunity to upgrade a position, which there is in Hamilton being a FA, I would want to pay a bit more to sign.

RD would look like if this would happen:
Hamilton
Larsson
Bear
Bouchard

One of Bouchard and Bear would have to be traded. You should be able to get a very good player to fill a need for the team.

Our RD would be set for the foreseeable future.

Well said. Agree.

 

[bobbythebrain]

Nor should they, Bouchard will have to earn Barrie’s role,Bouchard needs to play though and if Larsson is coming back you have to cut bait on either Barrie or Bouchard, and Bouchard will be cost controlled at least. People arguing that you keep Barrie and play Bouchard doesn’t make much sense. As we seen Tippett sit Bouchard majority of the year because of that set up.

If Barrie is let go and Klefbom doesn’t return your looking at

Nurse-Bear/Bouchard
UFA/Trade-Larsson
Russel/Jones-Bear/Bouchard

The issue with running a right side of Barrie-Larsson-Bouchard, is you now have 2 players that need protected offensive minutes in Barrie and Bouchard on the right side. Not to mention neither of those 2 are relied on to play PK, something both Larsson and Bear do.

Having 2 offensive defensemen with similar skill sets on the back end, not to mention one you likely have to pay over 6M for, doesn’t make much sense.

As I highlighted above your likely better off putting that money into a LD at 5/6M or going after a Seth Jones where he at least brings more two way ability.

Either way I didn’t bump this thread to redo this discussion altogether again, just wanted to share some highlights from his recent interview.

Barrie didn't earn Barrie's role. He got gifted McD and almost all PP minutes. We could sign Erik Gustaffson to a 1/4 of that price and get almost the same production(Chi/Kane) w the same piss poor defense.

There is little doubt Bouchard can provide close to that production if he's not being held to defensive standards as well

 

[Pizza!Pizza!]

This would make sense if Barrie was a particularly good puck-mover; He isn't. Relative to the price they'll sign for, Larsson is much more valuable.

What f***ing season did you watch? He was the Oilers best puck moving D-man the entire year and he did better than Klefbom did the year before.

total "bruh" post.

 

[McDoused]

Poor guy gets so little respect.

When Hamilton signs somewhere else, Jones is traded elsewhere and the rest of the pipe dreams fade who are we getting to replace Barrie?

Might as well pack it in with Ethan Bear on the top pair. Guy cant clear the front the of the net to save his life.

 

[McDoused]

What f***ing season did you watch? He was the Oilers best puck moving D-man the entire year and he did better than Klefbom did the year before.

total "bruh" post.

Hes hands down our best passer on the blueline. No one else even comes close.

 

[Oilhawks]

What f***ing season did you watch? He was the Oilers best puck moving D-man the entire year and he did better than Klefbom did the year before.

total "bruh" post.

“Can’t move the puck” - has the most points of any d man

 

[McDoused]

I was curious so I did some digging. From what I can tell the last time a leading scoring defenceman played with a new team the following season was back in 2003-2004 when the Capitals traded Sergei Gonchar to the Bruins. He eventually signed with Pittsburgh during the offseason.

I cant remember the last time a team let the leading scoring defenceman walk for nothing.

 

[sportsdynasty]

This would make sense if Barrie was a particularly good puck-mover; He isn't. Relative to the price they'll sign for, Larsson is much more valuable.

Larsson is terrible. I'd much rather keep Barrie. Oilers will be much worse offensively and defensively next year if they don't re-sign Barrie. Barrie should be priority #1 to re-sign.

 

[ManofSteel55]

I have a hard time thinking anything more than 4 years is okay for Barrie. 6M x 4 years is my max. He will get better offers elsewhere.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Larsson is terrible. I'd much rather keep Barrie. Oilers will be much worse offensively and defensively next year if they don't re-sign Barrie. Barrie should be priority #1 to re-sign.

Are you insane? Larsson was a key player for us this year. Very key. And Barrie adds nothing defensively.

 

[BarDownBobo]

I know Treena is an awful source but this is kinda my belief as to what could happen. Barrie will test free agency but if all the big money offers out there are from bottom feeding teams he might circle back quick and take a discount to stick around a place he fit in well and will be pushing for a cup in the near future. Which is ideal because then Holland is in the drivers seat when it comes to contract. A 5 year deal in the $5s is something that I could see working for both sides.

 

[TB12]

I know Treena is an awful source but this is kinda my belief as to what could happen. Barrie will test free agency but if all the big money offers out there are from bottom feeding teams he might circle back quick and take a discount to stick around a place he fit in well and will be pushing for a cup in the near future. Which is ideal because then Holland is in the drivers seat when it comes to contract. A 5 year deal in the $5s is something that I could see working for both sides.

Treena’s reminded me of this one lol

 

[Dazed and Confused]

I was curious so I did some digging. From what I can tell the last time a leading scoring defenceman played with a new team the following season was back in 2003-2004 when the Capitals traded Sergei Gonchar to the Bruins. He eventually signed with Pittsburgh during the offseason.

I cant remember the last time a team let the leading scoring defenceman walk for nothing.

Tbf, the defensive scoring crown has been dominated by 3 names for the last decade (Carlson, Burns, Karlsson).

Though guys like Krug, Yandle and Gostisbehere have come close to leading, and imo those are better comparables for Barrie.

While he didn't lead the league, this very thing happened to Barrie 2 years ago: 59 points in 78 games, and a 30+ point lead on the next highest scoring D on the team. Colorado still moved on, and let the rookie Makar have his role the next season.

 

[McDoused]

Tbf, the defensive scoring crown has been dominated by 3 names for the last decade (Carlson, Burns, Karlsson).

Though guys like Krug, Yandle and Gostisbehere have come close to leading, and imo those are better comparables for Barrie.

While he didn't lead the league, this very thing happened to Barrie 2 years ago: 59 points in 78 games, and a 30+ point lead on the next highest scoring D on the team. Colorado still moved on, and let the rookie Makar have his role the next season.

They didnt walk away from him though. They traded him for a 2nd line center.

 

[fuswald]

If this org is not gonna give Bouchard his role they are seriously f**ked. Put Bouch on the ice 87% of the time w/ McD and use that Barrie money elsewhere

Playing him with McDrai he will have the toughest competition. I figure lower lines and as much extra time as possible. Needs experience not sink or swim.

 

[McDNicks17]

Relying on Bouchard when he's so raw defensively is a bad idea. Remember Nurse when he was younger?

If you unleashed Bouchard, he'd put up 40-50pts but he might be -25.

Not if you use him the same way Barrie has been.

It's pretty much impossible to go negative when you play 90% of your minutes with McDavid.

 

[yukoner88]

This would make sense if Barrie was a particularly good puck-mover; He isn't. Relative to the price they'll sign for, Larsson is much more valuable.

I wonder how many goals from McDrai Barrie had an assist on, cause i feel like i saw his name pop up more often than not when they scored.

As much of a step forward Nurse took, I don't think Barrie coming in and McDavid getting 100+ points in a shortened season is a coincidence.

Once Barrie settled in after 10 games, he developed some amazing chemistry with the core group. It'll be a huge mistake to let Barrie go without exploring all avenues to re-sign him. Even with Bouchard knocking on the door.

Bouchard wil be set up to fail, and we'll be up in arms about letting Barrie go.