Player Discussion Tuukka Rask - Part IV

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

I still don’t know what bobo-ism means and I am upset.

It’s the most important part of this whole debate.

The use of the word is synonymous with someone trying to sound like Mike Felger.

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

Nobody has literally said those exact words, but that sentiment is clearly prevalent in the thread.
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Glad to see you admit that no one is doing what you claim them to be and are creating a straw man argument.

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

The use of the word is synonymous with someone trying to sound like Mike Felger.

How do we know that Pineapples isn't Mike Felger?

 

[Gee Wally]

Enough already !

use ignore

 

[EverettMike]

I still don’t know what bobo-ism means and I am upset.

It’s the most important part of this whole debate.

A bobo is an idiot homer, someone who never finds fault with the team and makes up dumber and dumber excuses for them.

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

A bobo is an idiot homer, someone who never finds fault with the team and makes up dumber and dumber excuses for them.

Completely agree on this definition. Now to find someone who is actually doing that in this thread would be helpful.

 

[Tampbear]

If anything Bruins fans are very fair, Rask has the best stats of all time and no one is trying to claim he is the best goalie of all time.

 

[Seidenbergy]

I don't have biases, I react to what happens and then form opinions based on that. There is no inherent bias.

It is literally impossible for humans to be completed unbiased about anything.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

I believe I have been very fair and reasonable. I don't have biases, I react to what happens and then form opinions based on that. There is no inherent bias.

if that were actually true, you should be one of Rask's biggest cheerleaders.

Among goalies with at least 20 starts (aka starters):

Rask's 2.17 GAA is best in the league
Rask's .921 sv% is T-6th in the league

what you actually are is a biased person with an agenda against a player...a wannabe Felger

 

[Chief Nine]

If anything Bruins fans are very fair, Rask has the best stats of all time and no one is trying to claim he is the best goalie of all time.

I'd say just about everyone on this board has said Tuukka has had his bad times and didn't make excuses. He had a tough year last year and Khudobin being ineffective in the first half didn't help. Whether Tuuka's issues were injuries or fatigue doesn't matter. Most people on here were calling it as it was.

 

[LastWordArmy]

Our new Bruins writer digs into the Tuukka critics, and what he can do to finally prove them wrong.

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[pineapplestastegood]

if that were actually true, you should be one of Rask's biggest cheerleaders.

Among goalies with at least 20 starts (aka starters):

Rask's 2.17 GAA is best in the league
Rask's .921 sv% is T-6th in the league

what you actually are is a biased person with an agenda against a player...a wannabe Felger

I don't base my opinions on 3 month samples. He has had a great past month and a half, nobody is denying that. Still don't think he's worth the cap hit and it'll take a lot to change my mind on that. But I'm willing to have it changed.

 

[Lobster57]

what period of greater than 3 months are you basing your opinion on then?

 

[Glove Malfunction]

I don't base my opinions on 3 month samples. He has had a great past month and a half, nobody is denying that. Still don't think he's worth the cap hit and it'll take a lot to change my mind on that. But I'm willing to have it changed.

People have shown that he's been one of the best goalies in the entire NHL over the past 5 years. Is 5 years not a big enough sample for you. Admit it, you have an agenda against Tuukka and nothing will sway your from it. I contend you absolutely are NOT willing to have your mind changed. Otherwise the overwhelming evidence would have changed it already.

Since you don't seem to want to do it, here's a site that lays it our pretty simply: NHL Goalie Stats in Last 5 Seasons. In short, over the last 5 years, Tuukaa's stats, compared to goalies with at least 100 GP over that span:
Games Played - #1 (287)
GAA - #3 (2.28)
SV% - T3 (0.921)
Wins - #2 (155)
Shutouts - #2 (24)

Over the past 5 years, Tuukka has been a top3 goalie in the entire NHL. His numbers mark him as elite. Not the past 3 months, THE PAST 5 SEASONS. Now try and say it's not simply an agenda.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

I don't base my opinions on 3 month samples. He has had a great past month and a half, nobody is denying that. Still don't think he's worth the cap hit and it'll take a lot to change my mind on that. But I'm willing to have it changed.

then how about for a career?

Rask career: .923 sv% 2.24 GAA
Price career: .919 sv% 2.43 GAA
Lundqvist career : .920 sv% 2.33 GAA
Luongo career: .919 sv% 2.50 GAA
Rinne career: .918 sv% 2.38 GAA
Bobrovski career: .920 sv% 2.45 GAA
Holtby career: .921 sv% 2.35 GAA

Better career sv% and GAA than his direct contemporaries...Let's see how you move the goalposts this time...

 

[patty59]

I don't base my opinions on 3 month samples. He has had a great past month and a half, nobody is denying that. Still don't think he's worth the cap hit and it'll take a lot to change my mind on that. But I'm willing to have it changed.

I'm not sure how you are willing to change something that you have clearly lost.

 

[pineapplestastegood]

People have shown that he's been one of the best goalies in the entire NHL over the past 5 years. Is 5 years not a big enough sample for you. Admit it, you have an agenda against Tuukka and nothing will sway your from it. I contend you absolutely are NOT willing to have your mind changed. Otherwise the overwhelming evidence would have changed it already.

Since you don't seem to want to do it, here's a site that lays it our pretty simply: NHL Goalie Stats in Last 5 Seasons. In short, over the last 5 years, Tuukaa's stats, compared to goalies with at least 100 GP over that span:
Games Played - #1 (287)
GAA - #3 (2.28)
SV% - T3 (0.921)
Wins - #2 (155)
Shutouts - #2 (24)

Over the past 5 years, Tuukka has been a top3 goalie in the entire NHL. His numbers mark him as elite. Not the past 3 months, THE PAST 5 SEASONS. Now try and say it's not simply an agenda.

then how about for a career?

Rask career: .923 sv% 2.24 GAA
Price career: .919 sv% 2.43 GAA
Lundqvist career : .920 sv% 2.33 GAA
Luongo career: .919 sv% 2.50 GAA
Rinne career: .918 sv% 2.38 GAA
Bobrovski career: .920 sv% 2.45 GAA
Holtby career: .921 sv% 2.35 GAA

Better career sv% and GAA than his direct contemporaries...Let's see how you move the goalposts this time...

I never said he wasn't elite, never said he doesn't have some of the best stats, blah blah blah.

My point about him, and every other goalie making 6/7 million (or god forbid, more) dollars a year, is that they are not worth their cap hit. That money is better spent on the team in front of them. That's the nature of the position in the modern NHL. None of them are consistent enough to warrant that cap hit, they all give up soft goals at the worst times, they all are just about the same. There are no real difference makers in the modern NHL. There is no Brodeur, no Roy, no Hasek.

A couple of .01% points on averaged out stats don't mean anything. You can lump them altogether, the point remains - it's stupid to build from the net out in the modern NHL. The money is bette spent elsewhere.

For all those goalies listed by the second poster, I have a statistic for you:

Rask career: 0 Stanley Cups (as a starter)
Price career: 0 Stanley Cups
Lundqvist career : 0 Stanley Cups
Luongo career: 0 Stanley Cups
Rinne career: 0 Stanley Cups
Bobrovski career: 0 Stanley Cups
Holtby career: 0 Stanley Cups

None of them are worth their cap hit either, this isn't just a Rask thing for me. All of those teams (especially Montreal, lmao) are moronic for paying their goalies like that.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

for sh*ts and giggles...here's the playoff stats:

Rask: .928/2.12
Price: .914/2.53

 

[Glove Malfunction]

I never said he wasn't elite, never said he doesn't have some of the best stats, blah blah blah.

My point about him, and every other goalie making 6/7 million (or god forbid, more) dollars a year, is that they are not worth their cap hit. That money is better spent on the team in front of them. That's the nature of the position in the modern NHL. None of them are consistent enough to warrant that cap hit, they all give up soft goals at the worst times, they all are just about the same. There are no real difference makers in the modern NHL. There is no Brodeur, no Roy, no Hasek.

A couple of .01% points on averaged out stats don't mean anything. You can lump them altogether, the point remains - it's stupid to build from the net out in the modern NHL. The money is bette spent elsewhere.

For all those goalies listed by the second poster, I have a statistic for you:

Rask career: 0 Stanley Cups (as a starter)
Price career: 0 Stanley Cups
Lundqvist career : 0 Stanley Cups
Luongo career: 0 Stanley Cups
Rinne career: 0 Stanley Cups
Bobrovski career: 0 Stanley Cups
Holtby career: 0 Stanley Cups

None of them are worth their cap hit either, this isn't just a Rask thing for me. All of those teams (especially Montreal, lmao) are moronic for paying their goalies like that.

I think you're in a significant minority, including people who actually run hockey teams for a living. But OK.

 

[Glove Malfunction]

for sh*ts and giggles...here's the playoff stats:

Rask: .928/2.12
Price: .914/2.53

I don't know about the shits, but it did make me giggle a bit.

 

[pineapplestastegood]

for sh*ts and giggles...here's the playoff stats:

Rask: .928/2.12
Price: .914/2.53

I feel the exact same way about Price as I do Rask. Montreal is s-t-o-o-p-i-d for paying him. That 10 million dollar a year contract is the worst thing in the history of written documents. But I'm thrilled that they were the idiots to make that mistake. Couldn't be happier.

I think you're in a significant minority, including people who actually run hockey teams for a living. But OK.

I'm fine with being the minority. I'm not trying to change anyone's minds, just trying to speak my own.

 

[Rubber Biscuit]

Never steals a game, right?

 

[missingchicklet]

Rask was crazy good against the Devils. Massive save after massive save. You don't go on a 17 game point streak without elite goaltending. Tuukka has been a huge reason for the Bs amazing success.

 

[Gee Wally]

I feel terrible about all those puppies the P&M club are kicking.

 

[Chief Nine]

I feel terrible about all those puppies the P&M club are kicking.

I heard that Tuukka recites an old Finnish saying after his pre game meal

ananakset maistuvat hyvältä



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