Proposal: Trouba Mega-Thread Part III

[EastonBlues22]

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[umwoz]

This belongs here.

http://www.tsn.ca/radio/winnipeg-1290/button-trouba-will-be-traded-on-jets-terms-1.575015

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Trouba had better hope that this gets resolved before Dec 1st, Or he's not helping his cause one bit. He needs to get paid he has responsibilities now that he's a home owner.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

This belongs here.

http://www.tsn.ca/radio/winnipeg-1290/button-trouba-will-be-traded-on-jets-terms-1.575015

Craig Button is spot on like usual, Trouba had better hope that this doesn't back fire on him and he misses the entire season.

 

[garyturner3]

Completely agree with Bruindust's post from part 2 of this thread (can't reply to it since it's closed). For some reason people make the jump from Winnipeg having to move off their asking price to "settling for peanuts". Just because it's extremely unlikely they get a comparable d-man in return doesn't mean they can't get value for him. It just might mean a quantity for quality deal despite how much posters on here insist that's not happening. Reality is most trades in this situation turn out that way; it's rarely straight up quality for quality. A slightly lesser d-man plus another asset is much more likely than a d-man of Trouba's caliber coming back. And there's nothing wrong with that.

 

[Kiwi]

Completely agree with Bruindust's post from part 2 of this thread (can't reply to it since it's closed). For some reason people make the jump from Winnipeg having to move off their asking price to "settling for peanuts". Just because it's extremely unlikely they get a comparable d-man in return doesn't mean they can't get value for him. It just might mean a quantity for quality deal despite how much posters on here insist that's not happening. Reality is most trades in this situation turn out that way; it's rarely straight up quality for quality. A slightly lesser d-man plus another asset is much more likely than a d-man of Trouba's caliber coming back. And there's nothing wrong with that.

Slightly older (mid 20s) 2nd pair LD with a + is my prediction as far as return goes for Trouba

 

[tbcwpg]

A slightly lesser d-man plus another asset is much more likely than a d-man of Trouba's caliber coming back. And there's nothing wrong with that.

Nothing wrong with that, no, but there are a lot of quantity for quality proposals that don't even include a d-man. Those are the ones that are being criticized.

 

[McDLT]

Let Trouba rot at home and watch Morrissey put up 40 points playing with Buff. Hopefully.

 

[Toby Flenderson]

Dumoulin+2nd for trouba

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Let Trouba rot at home and watch Morrissey put up 40 points playing with Buff. Hopefully.

Yup i have a feeling that's exactly what Kevin Cheveldayoff will do, Unless he gets what he wants Trouba wont be traded and he will rot at home. Just have a bad feeling that Overhardt has put him in a bad predicament here.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

Let Trouba rot at home and watch Morrissey put up 40 points playing with Buff. Hopefully.

I am sure my mentality will change as I calm down but nothing would make me happier than seeing this play out.

 

[garyturner3]

Slightly older (mid 20s) 2nd pair LD with a + is my prediction as far as return goes for Trouba

Which is a pretty realistic prediction as far as I'm concerned. Much more likely than the asking price IMO. Cheveldayoff may be patient, but I'm sure he's also realistic and will realize the position he's in. The Kane deal was a great return,
but you had countless posters claiming they'd never accept quantity for quality before that went down as well. That's just how these things normally pan out.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Dumoulin+2nd for trouba

Who else is Pittsburgh going to move, To afford to give Trouba big money. Unless Maatta is going the other way doubt that Cheveldayoff would do this.

 

[McDLT]

I am sure my mentality will change as I calm down but nothing would make me happier than seeing this play out.

I'm 95% passion and 5% logic at this point in time. I'm sure that my tune will change as well.

 

[garyturner3]

Nothing wrong with that, no, but there are a lot of quantity for quality proposals that don't even include a d-man. Those are the ones that are being criticized.

Agreed there are a lot of garbage ones out there. They're obviously not giving him away for most of the junk proposed on here. My point was really just in response to the posters that think they'll let Trouba sit all year before they move off that asking price. That's extremely unlikely.

 

[Toby Flenderson]

Who else is Pittsburgh going to move, To afford to give Trouba big money. Unless Maatta is going the other way doubt that Cheveldayoff would do this.

Trouba would take less to play in Pitt. He clearly wants out of Winn.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Slightly older (mid 20s) 2nd pair LD with a + is my prediction as far as return goes for Trouba

Yup realistically the 2nd pair LD that Cheveldayoff, Most likely gets will be in the 25-27 year range more then likely. Like something around Gardiner+ or Krug+ something in that neighborhood one would think.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Dumoulin+2nd for trouba

Is the cap magically disappearing now?

I don't really understand why the Coyotes are interested in Trouba to be honest. Their RD right now is really solid with Murphy, Stone and Michalek as their top-3 RD. Unless they were doing one of those 3+ for Trouba, I don't understand what they'd offer for him. I still think Gardiner+ for Trouba makes a good amount of sense, but that's one of the few that I think work out really well for both teams.

 

[Leon Draisaitl]

Ana/wpg/tor

To Toronto: Jacob Trouba
To Anaheim: James van Riemsdyk (50% retained)
To Winnipeg: Cam Fowler

Maybe add a small piece to Winnipeg.

Thoughts?

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Trouba would take less to play in Pitt. He clearly wants out of Winn.

Yeah if you mean he will take a $5 million per to $5.5 million per for 6 years or so, Then maybe you're right no matter who he signs with he's still going to want to get paid that's guaranteed.

 

[aj8000]

Who else is Pittsburgh going to move, To afford to give Trouba big money. Unless Maatta is going the other way doubt that Cheveldayoff would do this.

Crosby

Is the cap magically disappearing now?

I don't really understand why the Coyotes are interested in Trouba to be honest. Their RD right now is really solid with Murphy, Stone and Michalek as their top-3 RD. Unless they were doing one of those 3+ for Trouba, I don't understand what they'd offer for him. I still think Gardiner+ for Trouba makes a good amount of sense, but that's one of the few that I think work out really well for both teams.

FWIW, If you listen to the podcast, they are not interested

 

[supersonic jet]

Yup i have a feeling that's exactly what Kevin Cheveldayoff will do, Unless he gets what he wants Trouba wont be traded and he will rot at home. Just have a bad feeling that Overhardt has put him in a bad predicament here.

Most fans will understand if Trouba sits this yr and will be happy to sign him to a team friendly deal next yr or he can sit another yr and we can put overheart out of business players knowing what he cost Trouba.

If he does not sign this yr we still have him for 4 yrs and he has 1 less prime yr to make the bigger money in ufa

 

[Hunter368]

To Toronto: Jacob Trouba
To Anaheim: James van Riemsdyk (50% retained)
To Winnipeg: Cam Fowler

Maybe add a small piece to Winnipeg.

Thoughts?

Fowler plus a high end LHD prospect that is expansion exempt for Trouba? Ok

Straight up 1 for 1? No thx

 

[umwoz]

Is the cap magically disappearing now?

I don't really understand why the Coyotes are interested in Trouba to be honest. Their RD right now is really solid with Murphy, Stone and Michalek as their top-3 RD. Unless they were doing one of those 3+ for Trouba, I don't understand what they'd offer for him. I still think Gardiner+ for Trouba makes a good amount of sense, but that's one of the few that I think work out really well for both teams.

Michalek is 33 and declining, neither of the other two have Trouba's potential.

Stone is solid and produced offensively, but is that what you should expect from him moving forward? He's also 26(doesn't fit their window great if he's still going to take time to grow at that age) and is coming off a pretty significant knee injury.

Murphy ideally fits as a bottom-4 defensemen IMO.

Also... Arizona's prospect pool on defense isn't great outside of Chychrun, Deangelo.

EDIT: In other words.... They have a roster that begs for a top pairing potential linemate for OEL and a system that doesn't have one.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

To Toronto: Jacob Trouba
To Anaheim: James van Riemsdyk (50% retained)
To Winnipeg: Cam Fowler

Maybe add a small piece to Winnipeg.

Thoughts?

Lou isn't retaining 50% on JVRs contract it's already pretty reasonable. And Fowler alone isn't enough for Trouba. Most jets fans have already said that they really have no interest in moving Trouba for Fowler. If Toronto wants Trouba then more then likely you're looking at Gardiner+ for him.