Michael Pezzetta is looking more and more like another wasted pick a la Connor Crisp.
Meh, I don't worry about 6th round gambles.... its a roll of the dice.
Crisp in the third round was dumb though.
Michael Pezzetta is looking more and more like another wasted pick a la Connor Crisp.
Meh, I don't worry about 6th round gambles.... its a roll of the dice.
Crisp in the third round was dumb though.
Meh, I don't worry about 6th round gambles.... its a roll of the dice.
Crisp in the third round was dumb though.
Not the point. Gamble on offensive players then. Those Pezzetta guys you can have them once you invite them free in your development camp. Or if you sign then as UFA. Gamble on offensive guys who has a lot to work with in other spheres of their game.
Gamble on Ondrej Palat type of players. Gamble on Francis Perron. Some will work, some won't. But I sure as hell prefer to see offensive players not make it compared to junior pluggers like Pezzetta. Not sure why people don't understand that.
There's another way to look at it.What did MB pay to get Martinsen, King and Ott? About the same thing that he paid to get Pezzetta. The Pezzettas that succeed are needed on every team. Using the 6th and 7th picks doesn't bother me. Using the 3rd pick (Crisp) seems like a total waste of time. Also, I suspect that the Pezettas of the world picked in the later rounds probably work out more often than those skilled players with huge holes in their game picked in the same rounds.
There's another way to look at it.What did MB pay to get Martinsen, King and Ott? About the same thing that he paid to get Pezzetta. The Pezzettas that succeed are needed on every team. Using the 6th and 7th picks doesn't bother me. Using the 3rd pick (Crisp) seems like a total waste of time. Also, I suspect that the Pezettas of the world picked in the later rounds probably work out more often than those skilled players with huge holes in their game picked in the same rounds.
Draft skill with 6th rounders or trade the pick for established grit. Do not draft potential grit with no offensive potential.
Not the point. Gamble on offensive players then. Those Pezzetta guys you can have them once you invite them free in your development camp. Or if you sign then as UFA. Gamble on offensive guys who has a lot to work with in other spheres of their game.
Gamble on Ondrej Palat type of players. Gamble on Francis Perron. Some will work, some won't. But I sure as hell prefer to see offensive players not make it compared to junior pluggers like Pezzetta. Not sure why people don't understand that.
Draft skill with 6th rounders or trade the pick for established grit. Do not draft potential grit with no offensive potential.
Meh, I don't worry about 6th round gambles.... its a roll of the dice.
Crisp in the third round was dumb though.
agreed, I'm ok with every now and then taking a flyer on a big bodied physical type in the later rounds but don't like them using a 3rd rounder on someone like Crisp (although it's impossible to know what he could have been/could be due to so much time lost to injury) especially when we trade 2nd rounders so often.
I dont know if you remember my post a week ago about Hawks signing John Hayden... Hayden is terrific with us and have his PPG and a ton of hits, just what what we would need with Galchenyuk actually. I remember that year where almost everybody were willing to take a shot at him. If you want big guy and you choose a Connor Crisp over a John Hayden, sorry but someone must be fired just for that
That saif, im also an hawks fan and I fairly enjoy our steal
Actually, according to the guys I know out there who watched him come up through the league (actual scouts, not just jabronis like the rest of us), he was garbage from get-go. I believe I shared that with everyone here immediately after the draft, but of course you can't argue with "wait and see" that soon after. Turns out the guys I know were right, though, and they were pretty adamant about it from day 1. Lack of skating, lack of skill, lack of hockey sense in general. Big ol' nails in the coffin, but he's big, plays tough, and reputedly a good team guy...
Long story short, he was a nothing who was always destined to be nothing, and those most familiar with him knew it from the very start. I'm willing to bet he wasn't even on a single of the other 29 list in the room on draft day, so I really don't know where that pick comes from, let alone in the 3rd.
With Connor Crisp being unranked by McKeen's and Future Considerations, the scouting analysis will come entirely from HockeyProspect for Crisp so this will be notably abridged.
Hockey Prospect is very dismissive of Crisp's skating abilities. They note he lacks speed and has heavy feet. They note that he has a great deal of work to do for his skating to reach even an average level and it has a very low probability to be a useful part of his game. Crisp is noted as displaying some decent finishing abilities around the net and being adept at using his frame as a goal mouth prescence. Crisp shows an ability to read plays and make good decisions without hestitation with not many mistakes either. His true gift is his physical game; he will charge the net to create havoc and is difficult for defenders to handle because of his large frame. He is a strong checker and is more than willing to fight. He is credited with some defensive ability, nothing exceptional, but he does seem to understand the need for a responsible game to be a better contributor.
He's not a roll of the dice. He's a throw-away pick.. like "**** it, I have no one left on my list, let's take this guy who was drafted high in juniors"
A gamble is Dmitri Sokolov.
It was a wasted pick the second it was made.
There's another way to look at it.What did MB pay to get Martinsen, King and Ott? About the same thing that he paid to get Pezzetta. The Pezzettas that succeed are needed on every team. Using the 6th and 7th picks doesn't bother me. Using the 3rd pick (Crisp) seems like a total waste of time. Also, I suspect that the Pezettas of the world picked in the later rounds probably work out more often than those skilled players with huge holes in their game picked in the same rounds.
Disagree with that.
By the time you get to the sixth round everyone has flaws in their game.
Maybe they looked at him and said, "if he can just fix X, there is some offensive potential there"
Wouldn't be the first kid who didn't score at 17, but started at 18 or 19... its the sixth round, if you think there's a chance, role the dice.
Michael Ferland had 28 points in his draft year, (2009-10 season, 2010 draft year) and the Flames took him in the 5th. The next year he scored over 100 points. He's become a decent bottom 6 guy for them.
Ferland is an incredibly exception. In the world of crapshoot and guesses, you shouldn't base your draft strategy over an exception don't you think? And when it's time to add some grit to your bottom 6, as everybody does, you can actually get those type of guys with 4th and 5th rounders, on guys that are ACTUALLY proven.
As far as fixing things.....well you rarely can fix hockey offensive IQ. And pure natural instincts. But 1-way offensive player could work on defensive reads. And overall positioning. Don't get me wrong....I'd take a Ferland. I'd take Adam Lowry. Though Lowry had 45ish points in 60ish games so...not purely Pezzetta's either....but you still could see he shoudln't transfrom into top 6. So I'd take those. But I still believe that you could transfrom what seems to be more skilled guys in junior into bottom 6 than if you go already from bottom 6 in juniors, to bottom 6 in the NHL. I think that you add an once of crapshooting in an already huge crapshoot.
Ferland is very good. But you go for more skills and you get....Gallagher.
I agree that you shouldn't draft a bottom 6 in junior with the plan he's a bottom 6 in the NHL.
What I'm saying is sometimes you see something in a kid at 17, that makes you think he'll break out at 18.
It didn't happen for Pezzetta, but that doesn't mean they drafted him thinking he had no offensive pontential. I'm pretty sure they aren't just looking at his stats, they saw something in his game that had potential.
Look at Bradley, he was a 40 point guy in his draft year and is at 77 now.
Actually, according to the guys I know out there who watched him come up through the league (actual scouts, not just jabronis like the rest of us), he was garbage from get-go. I believe I shared that with everyone here immediately after the draft, but of course you can't argue with "wait and see" that soon after. Turns out the guys I know were right, though, and they were pretty adamant about it from day 1. Lack of skating, lack of skill, lack of hockey sense in general. Big ol' nails in the coffin, but he's big, plays tough, and reputedly a good team guy...
Long story short, he was a nothing who was always destined to be nothing, and those most familiar with him knew it from the very start. I'm willing to bet he wasn't even on a single of the other 29 list in the room on draft day, so I really don't know where that pick comes from, let alone in the 3rd.
Michael Pezzetta is looking more and more like another wasted pick a la Connor Crisp.
Well 40 point in 71 game is actually very good offensively so I,m not going to compare this to Pez either. And watching Brad play, he had quite a few things that could potentially made scouts think that they there was more to it, based on skating, shot and offensive instincts.
I guess that some will say that it then made sense to go after Crisp with his 36 points....yet again....maybe....but in the 5th or 6th round too! Not in the 3rd.
Again, no matter how you view Timmins, was it good enough, it is that bad or whatever...one thing is sure....since Mark Streit, no pick OUT OF LEFT FIELD that was made by the Habs paid off. None. So not going to say to stick with CSS...they have their share of stupidities too.....and not going to say to go purely with stats, you ALSO have to do an evaluatin of the pro potential of the kid....but from round 4 and down? With the overall understanding that finding gems is extremely hard? Bet on offense. Bet on players you can't get elsewhere. AGain, there is a possibility that some of those offensive guys changes their style and become bottom 6. Slim chance you say? Sure....just as much as a junior plugger ever made the NHL.
Don't worry, you'll live......
Meanwhile in the same draft, Mete, Bitten and Sergachev are all looking like sure bets!
Sure bets? Really? Bitten and Mete are sure bets to play in the NHL and play a key role? Looking good...but far from sure bets.
Not that long ago 2012 was filled by sure bets.....