Proposal: Trade Rumors and Proposals Thread: Are we looking at adding a winger?

[McIce Whole]

didn't realize how old the Flames team is...Jagr 45, Smith 35, Giordano 33, Stajan 33, Brouwer 32

And they don’t have many picks coming up. The flames aren’t in a good state at all, they’re going to be mediocre for a long time. You’d think with the amount of picks they’ve given up, they’d be a cup contender but aren’t even close.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Keith, you've decided he's not, that's very different then him not actually being ready.

He's played well enough where he's earned the benefit of a look.

And if he doesn't succeed there? It'd be one thing if we were pairing him with Sekera instead of Russell.

I think he CAN be, just not yet. Maybe wait until he has more than a full season of NHL experience?

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

didn't realize how old the Flames team is...Jagr 45, Smith 35, Giordano 33, Stajan 33, Brouwer 32

 

[CycloneSweep]

And if he doesn't succeed there? It'd be one thing if we were pairing him with Sekera instead of Russell.

I think he CAN be, just not yet. Maybe wait until he has more than a full season of NHL experience?

What about all those players on other NHL teams, good NHL teams that have players in similar situations playing in even higher roles.

And listen to what Chia said. He may make a trade if needed but wants to give the guys a chance. If he doesn't succeed you fix the problem then.

 

[tabs]

This is of course assuming that everyone stays healthy. If Benning/Russell get hurt (or worse, Klefbom/Larsson) then the situation gets even more grim.
Just because they're a bottom pairing doesn't mean they aren't a factor. The Ducks keyed in on Nurse and made the Oilers pay.

I like Benning a lot but he's not ready for a top 4 role just yet. Why put him there, even temporarily?

You can't build a team where if everyone gets hurt you'll be fine. Any team would suffer when two top 4 dmen are out with injury, including the Ducks that you keep ignoring.

And why temporarily put a young promising player into a role that could allow him to grow and show the team what they could potentially have in the near future and allow the possibility of him replacing these older veterans once we need to shed ourselves of their cap? Yeah, why would we ever want to do that.

Also, keep in mind that we will not constantly be playing teams as good as Anaheim. We should be able to agree that Anaheim last year was a cup contender. So to say they exploited a rookie bottom pairing dman in a 7 game series isn't the same thing as a rookie dman leading to constant losses against teams that are not nearly as good as Anaheim. We're going to beat up on weaker teams too. If your argument is that we won't be able to beat the contenders, which we did a lot of last year, then that still is terrible reasoning to be worried since we don't need to contend with them until April. Your logic has more holes in it than your version of our team.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

And if he doesn't succeed there? It'd be one thing if we were pairing him with Sekera instead of Russell.

I think he CAN be, just not yet. Maybe wait until he has more than a full season of NHL experience?

Then you find a replacement. If you add the playoff games, it's pretty damned close, and he played when pressed into significantly more difficult action in the playoffs, that alone earns him the right.

This is what the Oilers have here, so they are going trust what they have, until they can't.

 

[tabs]

And if he doesn't succeed there? It'd be one thing if we were pairing him with Sekera instead of Russell.

I think he CAN be, just not yet. Maybe wait until he has more than a full season of NHL experience?

Then at that point you find a stop gap. Just like chia says he plans to.

 

[CycloneSweep]

You can't build a team where if everyone gets hurt you'll be fine. Any team would suffer when two top 4 dmen are out with injury, including the Ducks that you keep ignoring.

And why temporarily put a young promising player into a role that could allow him to grow and show the team what they could potentially have in the near future and allow the possibility of him replacing these older veterans once we need to shed ourselves of their cap? Yeah, why would we ever want to do that.

Also, keep in mind that we will not constantly be playing teams as good as Anaheim. We should be able to agree that Anaheim last year was a cup contender. So to say they exploited a rookie bottom pairing dman in a 7 game series isn't the same thing as a rookie dman leading to constant losses against teams that are not nearly as good as Anaheim. We're going to beat up on weaker teams too. If your argument is that we won't be able to beat the contenders, which we did a lot of last year, then that still is terrible reasoning to be worried since we don't need to contend with them until April. Your logic has more holes in it than your version of our team.

To extend on this. Say Sekera is out till December. These are the teams we face...

Calgary
Vancouver
Winnipeg
Ottawa
Carolina
Chicago
Philly
Pitts
Dallas
Washington
Pitts
New Jersey
Detroit
Islanders
New Jersey
Rangers
Washington
Vegas
St Louis
Detroit
Buffalo
Boston
Arizona
Toronto

16 games against the Eastern Conference
4 inter division games
11 games against playoff teams from last year
13 games against teams who missed last year.

If we only go 0.500 in those games we would still be in a good spot as most of the games that matter most (Inter conference and inter divisional games) haven't been played yet. Hell, say he is gone till Christmas

Calgary
Philly
Montreal
Toronto
Columbus
Nashville
Minnesota
San Jose
St Louis
Montreal

5 games against the east
1 inter division game
9 games against last years playoff teams
1 against teams that missed

Even those games aren't that dangerous.

Our schedule makes missing Sekera a lot more digestable which is probably why Chia isn't too worried at the moment.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

What about all those players on other NHL teams, good NHL teams that have players in similar situations playing in even higher roles.

And listen to what Chia said. He may make a trade if needed but wants to give the guys a chance. If he doesn't succeed you fix the problem then.

But why even take the risk? That's what I don't get. By the time you solve the problem it might be too late. Benning has 62 games of NHL experience plus some playoff games. That's not exactly a lot. I just don't think you want to take the risk when the benefits are outweighed.

Then you find a replacement. If you add the playoff games, it's pretty damned close, and he played when pressed into significantly more difficult action in the playoffs, that alone earns him the right.

This is what the Oilers have here, so they are going trust what they have, until they can't.

That's still not even a full year of NHL games, Jimmi. That's not nearly enough for a lot of defensemen to be pressed into top 4 duty. It's easy to say "find a replacement"... Well what if there isn't one by the time we need one? What if nobody wants to make a trade? You're playing with fire here.

You can't build a team where if everyone gets hurt you'll be fine. Any team would suffer when two top 4 dmen are out with injury, including the Ducks that you keep ignoring.

And why temporarily put a young promising player into a role that could allow him to grow and show the team what they could potentially have in the near future and allow the possibility of him replacing these older veterans once we need to shed ourselves of their cap? Yeah, why would we ever want to do that.

Also, keep in mind that we will not constantly be playing teams as good as Anaheim. We should be able to agree that Anaheim last year was a cup contender. So to say they exploited a rookie bottom pairing dman in a 7 game series isn't the same thing as a rookie dman leading to constant losses against teams that are not nearly as good as Anaheim. We're going to beat up on weaker teams too. If your argument is that we won't be able to beat the contenders, which we did a lot of last year, then that still is terrible reasoning to be worried since we don't need to contend with them until April. Your logic has more holes in it than your version of our team.

You're right, but you can grab a few insurance policies. Benning is by no means a sure thing. He had a pretty good year last year but that doesn't necessarily mean he's ready for more pressure. With defensemen you really have to bring them along slowly lest you stunt their growth. This isn't a forward we're talking about. This is a much harder position to play with greater focus and pressure. Coaches will key in on inexperienced players on opposing teams and while you might be able to deal with it at home, you're SOL on the road.

No team is a sure win in this league, even Colorado gave us a few scares last year. I'd rather let Benning slowly grow into a role rather than playing him possibly where he doesn't fit.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Then at that point you find a stop gap. Just like chia says he plans to.

Oh, okay. It's easy, I'm sure. Lots of teams wanting to deal defensemen early in the year.

 

[Kagomeboy]

But why even take the risk? That's what I don't get. By the time you solve the problem it might be too late. Benning has 62 games of NHL experience plus some playoff games. That's not exactly a lot. I just don't think you want to take the risk when the benefits are outweighed.



That's still not even a full year of NHL games, Jimmi. That's not nearly enough for a lot of defensemen to be pressed into top 4 duty. It's easy to say "find a replacement"... Well what if there isn't one by the time we need one? What if nobody wants to make a trade? You're playing with fire here.



You're right, but you can grab a few insurance policies. Benning is by no means a sure thing. He had a pretty good year last year but that doesn't necessarily mean he's ready for more pressure. With defensemen you really have to bring them along slowly lest you stunt their growth. This isn't a forward we're talking about. This is a much harder position to play with greater focus and pressure. Coaches will key in on inexperienced players on opposing teams and while you might be able to deal with it at home, you're SOL on the road.

No team is a sure win in this league, even Colorado gave us a few scares last year. I'd rather let Benning slowly grow into a role rather than playing him possibly where he doesn't fit.

we be fine come on man .

 

[CycloneSweep]

Oh, okay. It's easy, I'm sure. Lots of teams wanting to deal defensemen on the last year of their contract that are top 4 quality for almost nothing.

Fixed that for you

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Fixed that for you

Teams generally don't deal those unless they're way out of the playoff race at the deadline.

 

[joestevens29]

Rick Dhaliwal @DhaliwalSports
Hearing possible Troy Brouwer trade out of Calgary. Not confirmed, just something heard.

 

[Kagomeboy]

Teams generally don't deal those unless they're way out of the playoff race at the deadline.

That when chia gets his player.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Rick Dhaliwal @DhaliwalSports
Hearing possible Troy Brouwer trade out of Calgary. Not confirmed, just something heard.

how legit is this guy?

 

[Kagomeboy]

how legit is this guy?

Radio guy in Vancouver so maybe legit somewhat

 

[joestevens29]

how legit is this guy?

I'd suspect he's like a Gregor or Neilsen. Although it is a bit odd he is talking about CGY. Maybe Vancouver is in on him.

Is a bit odd that he'd be dealt, but Read would be waived. You'd think Read would be a lot easier to deal.

 

[McTrashBoat]

how legit is this guy?

Vancouver sports net radio host

probably legit

 

[belair]

I'd suspect he's like a Gregor or Neilsen. Although it is a bit odd he is talking about CGY. Maybe Vancouver is in on him.

Is a bit odd that he'd be dealt, but Read would be waived. You'd think Read would be a lot easier to deal.

I'm guessing to Boston for Matt Beleskey.

Brouwer's got 3 years at $4.5m, Beleskey 3 years at $3.8m. Bruins just released RW Teddy Purcell from his PTO and Calgary just signed RW Jaromir Jagr. It makes sense.

 

[nexttothemoon]

They have Auvitu, Stanton, Simpson now. I think those dmen are all perfectly adequate bottom pairing options.

If several injuries hit key players, well the team is in a tough spot no doubt... but as pointed out by others... likely nearly all of the 30 other teams would have a difficult time having enough depth to replace 2-3 dmen in their top 6 as well.

I actually expect more injuries to key players this season as it's nearly impossible to have as few injuries as the Oilers had last year. Sekera being injured for likely 30+ games to start the season pretty much already makes this year more injury filled than last season with regards to key players.

If the Oilers can play even close to the level of last season they should be able to get 95+ pts which would take into account more injuries and even some possible regression. That should be enough for a playoff/wildcard spot at a minimum... and as we saw with Nashville last season, you don't have to tear it up in the regular season to make a noise in the playoffs. As long as the team even squeaks in, and is relatively healthy for their playoff run... they could do better and go farther than last year as they have that year of playoff experience under their belts now.

 

[Weitz]

They have Auvitu, Stanton, Simpson now. I think those dmen are all perfectly adequate bottom pairing options.

If several injuries hit key players, well the team is in a tough spot no doubt... but as pointed out by others... likely nearly all of the 30 other teams would have a difficult time having enough depth to replace 2-3 dmen in their top 6 as well.

I actually expect more injuries to key players this season as it's nearly impossible to have as few injuries as the Oilers had last year. Sekera being injured for likely 30+ games to start the season pretty much already makes this year more injury filled than last season with regards to key players.

If the Oilers can play even close to the level of last season they should be able to get 95+ pts which would take into account more injuries and even some possible regression. That should be enough for a playoff/wildcard spot at a minimum... and as we saw with Nashville last season, you don't have to tear it up in the regular season to make a noise in the playoffs. As long as the team even squeaks in, and is relatively healthy for their playoff run... they could do better and go farther than last year as they have that year of playoff experience under their belts now.

If any of the 3 guys you mentioned in your first line there are regularly playing NHL games we are in for a world of hurt.

Not because they might not be able to handle 3rd pairing duties but its who is playing above them in the lineup.

 

[Weitz]

Haha oh boy. If the flames added Jagr and somehow traded Brouwer as is rumored today... And Chia has sat on his hands and done nothing all summer to make the team better... I will be interested in hearing the defending of Chia.

 

[Del Preston]

Haha oh boy. If the flames added Jagr and somehow traded Brouwer as is rumored today... And Chia has sat on his hands and done nothing all summer to make the team better... I will be interested in hearing the defending of Chia.

The obsession some of you have with the Flames is just sad.

The Oilers should make major moves to an already good roster because Calgary is trying to improve their mediocre team from a year ago?

 

[Weitz]

The obsession some of you have with the Flames is just sad.

The Oilers should make major moves to an already good roster because Calgary is trying to improve their mediocre team from a year ago?

You mean the team that has gotten much better this year, while we have gotten worse on paper? That is in our division? That unless something crazy happens we will have to play in the playoffs (or Anaheim)?

With the way the NHL is these days its really the only thing you should care about - division teams.