I doubt either are traded for a few years anyway. Right now, we have our defense set, and I don't see us messing with it much.
This! Vermette could cost us some assets but really feel that if we are going to compete for the cup he could be the perfect player to help us. We have to be strong down the middle and he is pretty much ideal fit to Preds imo.
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Bartley, and Volchenkov. Plus Diaby coming up, high end iq defensemen like Ellis are extremely hard to replace, whereas defensemen like Ekholm i.e middle of the road, are easier.
I know this is something that won't happen but if Colorado offered Duchene for Jones+, would you do it?
I'll take an Ekholm/Jones pairing over Ekholm/Ellis long term any day of the week. While Ellis has a high IQ, he does lack size and while it may not be a big deal now, come playoff time, can he handle the pounding with his size? This is something he lacks and while Jones may not have the high IQ Ellis has, he certainly isn't lacking in his understanding of the game, he just needs seasoning and experience and once he gets that, he's going to leapfrog Ellis rather easily. The skill set and size Jones possesses is so much greater than what Ellis can offer with his skills and high IQ.
I love that Ellis has grown but I want to see what he does come playoff time before we start moving Jones in any sort of deal.
Also, really, Bartley, Volchenkov or Diaby replacing Ekholm? None of them can play the two way game that Ekholm plays at this point. To me, he's probably the most underrated of the guys we have on the blue line.
That's the type of deal we need to make, and that's the kind of forward group that can go far in the playoffs. Do we pony up our 1st and a prospect though, or is that too high?
I'll take an Ekholm/Jones pairing over Ekholm/Ellis long term any day of the week. While Ellis has a high IQ, he does lack size and while it may not be a big deal now, come playoff time, can he handle the pounding with his size? This is something he lacks and while Jones may not have the high IQ Ellis has, he certainly isn't lacking in his understanding of the game, he just needs seasoning and experience and once he gets that, he's going to leapfrog Ellis rather easily. The skill set and size Jones possesses is so much greater than what Ellis can offer with his skills and high IQ.
I love that Ellis has grown but I want to see what he does come playoff time before we start moving Jones in any sort of deal.
Also, really, Bartley, Volchenkov or Diaby replacing Ekholm? None of them can play the two way game that Ekholm plays at this point. To me, he's probably the most underrated of the guys we have on the blue line.
I would not be shocked to see Jones moved. It has be talked about.
My fear ireplacing his 17-18 mins a night with Volchenkov. Need aNHL ready/vet RHD
I think moving Jones at this point for anything other than a bonafide star player is a mistake. I buy into him. He has elite tools. Patience is needed.
That said, in terms of deadline deals, I am going to actually agree with triggr: a true checking forward that can play the pk and absorb 12 minutes a night with ease would be a boon.
In addition to that, an additional scorer, whether that is a winger or center would be ideal, preferably a center.
If Kessel ever did become available, I would love to see him on this team.
Taking this at face value, I have a feeling that the cost would not be nearly close to what most (esp. Leaf fans) are expecting it would be. As conservative as Poile is, I can't imagine him gutting significant talent off a league-leading roster, even if Kessel is the return.I only go into details of where this comes from with people I actually know, because they know I'm not full of s***, but I have a generally-accurate source that says Poile is more than interested in Kessel. Being on a message board, it sounds like BS, but I've already had this conversation with several people.
lol, the winner has to do it under twelve parsecs.We get Kessel we better keep him away from the Loveless Cafe...cause those biscuits would bulk him up quick!
On the flip side we could get him to sponsor a marathon.."The Nashville Predators invite you to join your favorite Predators personalties in raising money for <insert charity> on the 1st Annual Kessel Run at Centennial Park!"
Am I the only one who thinks we ought to try standing pat a the deadline? I mean, how well has it worked in the past when we have loaded up for a playoff run by acquiring rentals (Foppa, Whitt, Radulov, A Koistitsyn, Markov) in exchange for prospects and draft picks?
It makes me wonder if we lose some chemistry in the room by doing this, and might we be better off dancing with who got us here and hanging on to our assets and picks.
On the former, I completely agree.lol, the winner has to do it under twelve parsecs.
I really hope we don't give up Jones for Kessel. I worry that Kessel is as poisonous as Radulov.
Taking this at face value, I have a feeling that the cost would not be nearly close to what most (esp. Leaf fans) are expecting it would be. As conservative as Poile is, I can't imagine him gutting significant talent off a league-leading roster, even if Kessel is the return.
Just spitballing, but Fiala makes the most sense to trade around here. He's a young, cheap, potentially elite, replacement on the wing that fits into the Nylander/Reilly grouping, and while it would suck to lose him, our top 6 wings would be set for the time being...and we don't lose anything off the roster (except for some salaries, perhaps). Obviously more value could be added. I think the desire to get out under contracts is a very strong motivation for some GMs.Not to sit here and sound like Eklund, but what I heard (as of yesterday) was "Stalberg and a second player", which lends some credence to your theory. But then again, Stalberg would require a huge add-on. In that scenario, needing to add someone to a package with Stalberg makes me uneasy.
Just spitballing, but Fiala makes the most sense to trade around here. He's a young, cheap, potentially elite, replacement on the wing that fits into the Nylander/Reilly grouping, and while it would suck to lose him, our top 6 wings would be set for the time being...and we don't lose anything off the roster (except for some salaries, perhaps). Obviously more value could be added.
Yeah that's an idea, especially if they're in complete rebuild mode, but part of me wonders if we don't try and send back more salary to offset what Kessel would bring in.