Proposal: Toronto - Nashville

[Mad Brills*]

TOR fans: Is Bozak a legit #2C on a contender?

Would love to add him at reasonable price say a 2nd.

yes he is

 

[SprDaVE]

TOR fans: Is Bozak a legit #2C on a contender?

Would love to add him at reasonable price say a 2nd.

Yes and that's reasonable. Bozak is underrated to be honest and would fit in with Nashville very well.

 

[Omac13]

TOR fans: Is Bozak a legit #2C on a contender?

Would love to add him at reasonable price say a 2nd.

I believe he is, however right now I don't think the leafs are in a position to be dealing legit NHL player for Picks, we are looking to start moving up in the standings and already have a huge stock pile of picks. Especially 2nd rounder's. If Bozak is going to be moved he will be moved for a NHL player that fills a need.

 

[Halla]

Is Leafs fans the most biased? Your right about passing Edmontoners...

Ellis >>> JVR when it comes to trade value.

5'10 2nd pairing dman good for about 30 pts is >>> more than JVR?

this has to be a troll post

 

[Jeebs]

TOR fans: Is Bozak a legit #2C on a contender?

Would love to add him at reasonable price say a 2nd.

He's probably not a #2 on a contender, he'd be a really good #3 and he can definitely fill in up the depth chart when needed. A 2nd is probably around his value.

And he's absolute money on the breakaway.

 

[Halla]

See my original point. Nashville is sitting pretty with Josi, Ekholm and Ellis locked up for the next three years at a combined 10.25 million cap hit. The upgrade from Colin Wilson to JVR on the 2nd line LW is not worth giving that up. The proposed trade doesn't really do anything to improve the Preds and I would argue it makes them worse since they don't have someone capable of filling the hole on the 2nd pair.

Colin wilson is a solid 30-35 pt 3rd liner miscast as a top 6 forward.
JVR would be a huge boost to the 2nd line, or he could play on the 1st and one of neal/forsberg can move to the 2nd.

Nashville is likely to lose one of Ellis or Ekholm, so id rather the leafs just wait and see what the price is next year

 

[Hope Bringer]

He's probably not a #2 on a contender, he'd be a really good #3 and he can definitely fill in up the depth chart when needed. A 2nd is probably around his value.

And he's absolute money on the breakaway.

I agree with this. He's serviceable and I do think he would fit with Nashville very well. If Nashville is intent on splitting up Johansen and Forsberg, I could see Bozak fitting in nicely with FF.

Will guarantee a few extra points through the shootout and yes, does not miss on breakaways.

 

[BlueBaron]

Circle Trade.

Trade a #1 LW for a D so that in turn you need to go out and get a #1 LW. Doesn't make much sense. JVR is not really on the Block so the endless Trade proposals involving him are pretty silly.

 

[imapylon]

I quite like Ellis but I don't think he's the defeceman the Leafs need.

Agreed....I would say no from both sides as Nashville doesn't need a winger

 

[howkie]

Colin wilson is a solid 30-35 pt 3rd liner miscast as a top 6 forward.
JVR would be a huge boost to the 2nd line, or he could play on the 1st and one of neal/forsberg can move to the 2nd.

Nashville is likely to lose one of Ellis or Ekholm, so id rather the leafs just wait and see what the price is next year

No they wont, it is Colin Wilson who will get exposed or Smith.

They Protect: Weber, Josi, Ellis, Ekholm, Forsberg, Joahnsen, Neal and whoever.

Doubt they care if they lose Järnkrok, Wilson if it means they can keep their D-core..

 

[Raymoondo]

Is Leafs fans the most biased? Your right about passing Edmontoners...

Ellis >>> JVR when it comes to trade value.

I like how your last three posts are just to troll Leafs fans.

 

[Hoverhand]

Oh good the daily dosage of "Our top 4 defenceman has wayyyy more value than JVR"

Pass Ellis isn't what we need, we can wait for a better opportunity to represent itself.

 

[AndyPuff]

I like how your last three posts are just to troll Leafs fans.

It is a little bit of both tbh.
Its remarkable how much most Leafsfans value the players they already got.

 

[RaiderDoug]

The value is there, but Nashville passes because the hole Ellis would open up is bigger than the one that JVR would fill.

 

[Hally BlackWood]

I would prefer to move bozak for stay at home defense man. Toronto Already has Reilly, Gardiner, Zaitsev. I think its cheaper and more reasonable to just go after a solid dman that can come in help the kids and our new goalie in the back end. Just a dman that plays a simple but smart game in his own end, theres going to be enough scoring talent with all these young kids, lets stabilize the back end. Also gives us a pker.

 

[Morgs]

100% i pull the trigger on this deal.

Ellis could be a #2 on almost any team in this league, and he's still young enough to become better, and we get a 2nd?

Lmao PP specialist

 

[Drew311]

Oh good the daily dosage of "Our top 4 defenceman has wayyyy more value than JVR"

Pass Ellis isn't what we need, we can wait for a better opportunity to represent itself.

I think it's a risky move for that opportunity to represent itself. Better to hire a lawyer.

 

[Soundgarden]

Can't move a top 4 defenseman without a replacement, even if we aren't giving up the better asset.

We won't lose a defenseman through expansion.

 

[StevenDean]

See my original point. Nashville is sitting pretty with Josi, Ekholm and Ellis locked up for the next three years at a combined 10.25 million cap hit. The upgrade from Colin Wilson to JVR on the 2nd line LW is not worth giving that up. The proposed trade doesn't really do anything to improve the Preds and I would argue it makes them worse since they don't have someone capable of filling the hole on the 2nd pair.

Only thing is your original point demanded the Leafs add to the deal. No they don't. You just reject the offer because of need and cost.

 

[Viqsi]

As of this weekend, we no longer have virtually no defensive prospects that can eventually step up and make the NHL, so there's that. We continue, however, to have no defensive prospects whatsoever that can step up and make the NHL next year. We therefore cannot risk moving Ellis.

And for anyone saying "it's Ekholm or Ellis" - Josi, Weber, Ellis, Ekholm, Forsberg, Johansen, Neal, and whatever other forward we decide has merit (probably Smith, or if we trade for or sign someone better it'd be that guy). Keeping the top-4 together is much more important to this team than the various depth forwards we have.

 

[exporta]

He's a second line wing in Nashville

Because Malkin plays 2nd line on Pittsburgh, does that make him a 2nd line centre?

Not saying that Malkin=JVR, but you can't say just because you have someone better makes him in the 2nd tier.

JVR could probably play 1st line on 15 teams in the league.

 

[PredsHabs]

As of this weekend, we no longer have virtually no defensive prospects that can eventually step up and make the NHL, so there's that. We continue, however, to have no defensive prospects whatsoever that can step up and make the NHL next year. We therefore cannot risk moving Ellis.

And for anyone saying "it's Ekholm or Ellis" - Josi, Weber, Ellis, Ekholm, Forsberg, Johansen, Neal, and whatever other forward we decide has merit (probably Smith, or if we trade for or sign someone better it'd be that guy). Keeping the top-4 together is much more important to this team than the various depth forwards we have.

I'm probably reading into this too much but what does other people think of this:

From Predators Website before draft.
David Poile speaking

On the immediate impact to the Predators’ roster(Expansion Draft):

“It could affect who we sign or who we don’t sign. It could affect, now let’s say you want to make a trade and you acquire a player, one of things I would have to ask myself and all of our staff, is this player for more than this year, will this player be a player we have to protect, will this player get taken in expansion? So if you give up your first choice for a guy and you had no intention or you couldn’t protect him because he didn’t fit into your top three defensemen or seven forwards then you have to think twice about that. You start thinking if you have a big player a valuable player, will you be making a trade during the season to sort of cut your losses? It’ll be a lot of things to take into consideration.”

 

[Lateralous]

Only thing is your original point demanded the Leafs add to the deal. No they don't. You just reject the offer because of need and cost.

You clearly didn't read my post. I didn't demand anything. i just said it made no sense for the Nashville perspective.

 

[nomorekids]

Leafs say no

Undersized PP specialist.

That is not true at all. He's short, but he's built like a tank and is actually quite strong. He's so smart positionally that he doesn't let his one actual weakness -- his acceleration -- get the best of him. He's a very good two way defenseman and an important piece of our defense.

The only way we could afford to lose him in a JVR deal...or any deal, for that matter, is if we had another guy coming back to replace him.

 

[Lateralous]

Because Malkin plays 2nd line on Pittsburgh, does that make him a 2nd line centre?

Not saying that Malkin=JVR, but you can't say just because you have someone better makes him in the 2nd tier.

JVR could probably play 1st line on 15 teams in the league.

Okay, he's a low end 1LW or high end 2LW, whatever. It's still just an upgrade at 2LW for Nashville or most other contenders. For the Predators specifically, when combined with the massive hole created on the second pair D to acquire him, I still don't understand why they even entertain this. It makes Nashville a worse team while adding 1.5 million to their cap.