Player Discussion Torey Krug - Part II

[RussellmaniaKW]

it's disgusting how quickly people will turn on one of our core players.

funny thing is the people trashing him in this thread right now will be dead silent mid-season when he's looking like himself (aka one of the best defensemen in the league)

Also, stop using +/- in any argument. It's a garbage stat all-around. any time someone brings up +/- in when they want to use "stats" to back up their claims they just make themselves look stupid because real stats guys know there are far better metrics for judging players.

Patrice Bergeron once had a team-worst -28 in a season in which he put up 70 points. Please tell me again how a bad +/- means you're bad defensively.

 

[smack66]

i'm not trashing Krug but I really don't know how people are defending his play against the Kings. I know he's coming back from the jaw injury but that shouldn't impact his decision making. I think when a player has a bad game its ok to point it out as long as it doesn't become personal or directly attacking player for something outside of their play.
He's had an ugly start to the season, no more, no less.

 

[mar2kbos]

it's disgusting how quickly people will turn on one of our core players.

funny thing is the people trashing him in this thread right now will be dead silent mid-season when he's looking like himself (aka one of the best defensemen in the league)

Also, stop using +/- in any argument. It's a garbage stat all-around. any time someone brings up +/- in when they want to use "stats" to back up their claims they just make themselves look stupid because real stats guys know there are far better metrics for judging players.

He is not playing well at all this season. Its ok to say that without saying people turned on him. Luckily there is plenty of time to turn around. Hopefully its his jaw shield. To say he is playing great this season though is definitely not correct.

 

[RussellmaniaKW]

i'm not trashing Krug but I really don't know how people are defending his play against the Kings. I know he's coming back from the jaw injury but that shouldn't impact his decision making. I think when a player has a bad game its ok to point it out as long as it doesn't become personal or directly attacking player for something outside of their play.
He's had an ugly start to the season, no more, no less.

who is defending his play against the Kings?

people are literally saying to trade him and that he's not a "real" defenseman. It's one thing to say he has been bad so far (he has), it's another to try and use an 8 game sample size while playing with a broken jaw and full shield to claim that he has always been bad (he hasn't).

 

[RussellmaniaKW]

He is not playing well at all this season. Its ok to say that without saying people turned on him. Luckily there is plenty of time to turn around. Hopefully its his jaw shield. To say he is playing great this season though is definitely not correct.

there are two posts just in the last two pages (and more in the last GDT) saying he should be traded and that he's not worth the money. It's ok for me to say people are turning on him because that's exactly what some people are doing.

 

[smack66]

post game thread against Kings. Many people calling out Pasta for not winning the faceoff, or Rask for being out of position when both goals were direct results of Krug's mental errors. Not throwing him under the bus but if his name was Beleskey or Spooner after a game like that there would be ten pages calling for their respective heads. Again, not trying to trash Krug, he is part of the core and having a tough start to the season but he seems to be getting off softer then some of the other whipping boys on this team. Heck, if that was Big Z I bet there were be more posts about him being washed up yet very little about Krug.

 

[BruinDust]

there are two posts just in the last two pages (and more in the last GDT) saying he should be traded and that he's not worth the money. It's ok for me to say people are turning on him because that's exactly what some people are doing.

I don't even know if it's people turning on him.

There are a group of posters here who will NEVER be convinced that Torey Krug is anything more than a 3rd pair-PP Specialist-Defensive Liability

 

[JP Nolan]

i'm not trashing Krug but I really don't know how people are defending his play against the Kings. I know he's coming back from the jaw injury but that shouldn't impact his decision making. I think when a player has a bad game its ok to point it out as long as it doesn't become personal or directly attacking player for something outside of their play.
He's had an ugly start to the season, no more, no less.

God forbid fans that are actually objective can see what the guy has been and state their opinions. We all know ow good he can be, but the bottom line is he has stunk so far this year....It is what it is.

 

[NDiesel]

I don't even know if it's people turning on him.

There are a group of posters here who will NEVER be convinced that Torey Krug is anything more than a 3rd pair-PP Specialist-Defensive Liability

This is it. No matter what he does people are blinded by him being offensive and short. The posters we are talking about can deny it, but if he was 6'4" people would not think he was a liability at all.

No doubt in my mind Krug turns it around though, he had a slow start last year as well.

 

[NDiesel]

God forbid fans that are actually objective can see what the guy has been and state their opinions. We all know ow good he can be, but the bottom line is he has stunk so far this year....It is what it is.

That's fine, he has sucked this year I doubt any rational fan could deny that. Bottom line is he never gets a fair shake from the same handful of people on these forums.

 

[DKH]

God forbid fans that are actually objective can see what the guy has been and state their opinions. We all know ow good he can be, but the bottom line is he has stunk so far this year....It is what it is.

I'm with yah

Sat down with my kid yesterday and broke the news 'Torey Krug is nothing '

She gave me the line about wearing a face shield, lost weight, no preseason, his past history' but I just shook my head slowly and whispered in her ear 'he's done. He's a 6th defenseman. Nothing more nothing less.

'Nothing is just nothing'

 

[smack66]

sure is a lot of sensitivity about making any type of negative comments regarding the start of the season for Krug..

 

[DKH]

sure is a lot of sensitivity about making any type of negative comments regarding the start of the season for Krug..

Agree

Big overreaction here. End of season he will have his 40-50 points and had a very good year

Relax folks we know he didn't have a preseason stop with the sensitivity

 

[BruinDust]

sure is a lot of sensitivity about making any type of negative comments regarding the start of the season for Krug..

Doesn't help that his early season struggles (even the most ardent Krug supporter admits he hasn't played well yet) has drawn the Krug detractors out of the wood-work with "see, see, I told you so, Krug is a liability".

 

[wintersej]

Agreed. That minus 10 = he is in spot #702 of 704 players (funky thing is that #703 is OEL and #704 is Letang...) who set foot in the NHL so far this year.

I wonder if PHX would trade OEL for Beleksey. He must suck with that +/-.

 

[compan]

it's disgusting how quickly people will turn on one of our core players.

funny thing is the people trashing him in this thread right now will be dead silent mid-season when he's looking like himself (aka one of the best defensemen in the league)

Also, stop using +/- in any argument. It's a garbage stat all-around. any time someone brings up +/- in when they want to use "stats" to back up their claims they just make themselves look stupid because real stats guys know there are far better metrics for judging players.

Patrice Bergeron once had a team-worst -28 in a season in which he put up 70 points. Please tell me again how a bad +/- means you're bad defensively.

Calling him one of the best dmen in the league doesn't really lend to a constructive debate though. I like Krug and think hes a Top 4 Dman when healthy, but I won't be rushing to call him a Top Dman in the league. He's a great PP specialist and offensive Dman, but I honestly think rating him better than that is looking through rose colored glasses. He's demonstrated his defensive game is not that great, especially so far this season. I give him the benefit of the doubt due to injury, but man has he made some made mistake defensively.


Comparing Bergeron from 06/07 to where he has been mid to later in his career is not really a good example either. We've all seen him develop his defensive game. It wasn't something he came in with, so that's not at all a fair example.

 

[ODAAT]

I'm with yah

Sat down with my kid yesterday and broke the news 'Torey Krug is nothing '

She gave me the line about wearing a face shield, lost weight, no preseason, his past history' but I just shook my head slowly and whispered in her ear 'he's done. He's a 6th defenseman. Nothing more nothing less.

'Nothing is just nothing'

6th on a bad team

 

[BruinLVGA]

I wonder if PHX would trade OEL for Beleksey. He must suck with that +/-.

(Very obvious) joke apart, +/- is still not a complete trash stat. With context, it can be still a source of decent information.
As such, Krug being at -10 this early in the season is a direct result of his poor performance on the ice. I am a fan of Krug, but I hope these few games are not the standard of play he will have this season.

 

[wintersej]

(Very obvious) joke apart, +/- is still not a complete trash stat. With context, it can be still a source of decent information.
As such, Krug being at -10 this early in the season is a direct result of his poor performance on the ice. I am a fan of Krug, but I hope these few games are not the standard of play he will have this season.

He has been garbage. Last year Krug gave up 24.9 shots per 60 at 5 on 5. This year it is up over 36 shots per 60.

I'm pretty sure a jaw injury isn't the kind of injury that will forever make him give up an extra 50% in shots all year. He is getting caught deciding whether to be aggressive or back off a lot in the early going. Some of it is just his timing being off. Some of it is I think he is buying into Cassidy hockey a little more than he should, but maybe watching Claude hockey for 10 years broke my ability to judge that.

 

[DKH]

I went last Thursday and he was fantastic

water seeks its own level and when the dust settles he will be very good- this happened last year

go back one year and look at the Krug bashing up until November

ironically some of the people bashing last year have different user names but write the same as some of the new members

that is weird

 

[BruinLVGA]

He has been garbage. Last year Krug gave up 24.9 shots per 60 at 5 on 5. This year it is up over 36 shots per 60.

I'm pretty sure a jaw injury isn't the kind of injury that will forever make him give up an extra 50% in shots all year. He is getting caught deciding whether to be aggressive or back off a lot in the early going. Some of it is just his timing being off. Some of it is I think he is buying into Cassidy hockey a little more than he should, but maybe watching Claude hockey for 10 years broke my ability to judge that.

I think he has the quality to address and adjust the problem(s) in his game & I think that the management is aware that not everything is A-OK with his performance. So, I am rather positive about things settling down in a much improved way for Krug.
I just hope that it won't take too long, because this team can't afford to have such an important asset perform much below what his normal standards are. Fingers crossed.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

This is it. No matter what he does people are blinded by him being offensive and short. The posters we are talking about can deny it, but if he was 6'4" people would not think he was a liability at all.

No doubt in my mind Krug turns it around though, he had a slow start last year as well.

If he was 6'4 and still skated well and competes smart he wouldnt be a liability that is correct

But hes not 6'4 and his defensive play isnt as good as brian ralfalskis yet

In other news of belesky shot the puck like ovechkin hed not get as much critism. If riley nash made plays like connor mcdavid he would be more of a fan favorite too.... and if my hero terry oreilly was 30 years younger hed still be playing.

The "if-then" game is nice to wish for

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

I don't even know if it's people turning on him.

There are a group of posters here who will NEVER be convinced that Torey Krug is anything more than a 3rd pair-PP Specialist-Defensive Liability

An elite 3rd pair/pp specialist. Sadly overpaid to fit that role

An adequet 3/4 guy with the right partner and if sheltered some in his matchups... provided hes chipping in those 50 points we expect

But clearly overmatched if pushed into the top pair

I think his injury is hurting him... i think he will produce more offense when healthy. I think he tries hard

I dont think he will grow 8 inches

He is what he is

 

[frickinbobby]

Chiller is close to and or equal and or more better.

 

[Pia8988]

Chiller is close to and or equal and or more better.

No.....