Confirmed with Link: [TOR/OTT] #59 (C Roni Hirvonen) & #64 (D Topi Niemela) from OTT for #44 (D Tyler Kleven)

[meefer]

I guess we have to see who this mystery player is but as of now it does nothing to help the current roster

If you're all in for a static consideration, fine and dandy. If you'd like to see things move in time with how the league unfolds, allow for some flexible views.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

It has felt like guys are going where they're projected so far. There haven't been many can't miss fallers coming in at the Leafs draft position. An extra pick to fill in the one missing round the team didn't have a pick in is cool. I think that's good value.

So, no 2nd and 3rd for Johnsson then I guess?

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

If you're all in for a static consideration, fine and dandy. If you'd like to see things move in time with how the league unfolds, allow for some flexible views.

I'm at wherever the team is in it's development and currently it's at a point where it needs players more than prospects.

It isn't 2015 anymore

 

[Magic Man]

So, no 2nd and 3rd for Johnsson then I guess?

It was a trade proposal. The Leafs may not have even been interested in that return nor was the player potentially even discussed. The value was fair.

 

[Contenderorpretender]

Will we draft poirier?

 

[HoweHullOrr]

If 1 player busts you have nothing, 2 players gives you better odds to produce an NHLer. Especially if you look at the curve graph of what round NHLers come from. a mid second and a late second probably have a very similar odds of making it.

It’s not really just a game of odds though. There’s an evaluation process where you have to determine if there’s a Travis Konecny there and if that’s worth taking over three lower end assets like Dermott, Bracco and Dzierkals.

Can work either way, trading up, or trading back. Would hope this is where good scouts can make the difference.

 

[Stephen]

For me, a player drafted of this size must be high end to really be considered a success. If your hunch is you’re getting a Finnish Brayden Point, or a Cirelli or Gourde or something like that, go for it. But there’s a cut off to what you project. Otherwise it will just be very difficult to promote him to an NHL role.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

It was a trade proposal. The Leafs may not have even been interested in that return nor was the player potentially even discussed. The value was fair.

10-4, but disagree. We were never going to get that return, and didn't.

 

[AcerComputer]

So, no 2nd and 3rd for Johnsson then I guess?

There is always next's years draft. Teams may see where they are after Free Agency before making a trade like that.

 

[stickty111]

2 great picks.
Dubas is a master at trade downs.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

There is always next's years draft. Teams may see where they are after Free Agency before making a trade like that.

OK, but the discussion was about the return this year.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Nice trade nice picks

 

[aingefan]

This looks like a high value trade, making me wish we had a few more pics from rounds 3 to 5

 

[Isaac Nootin]

Bad pick

Based on what, exactly?

 

[meefer]

I'm at wherever the team is in it's development and currently it's at a point where it needs players more than prospects.

It isn't 2015 anymore

Essentially looking at it as it rests this singular moment, 'statically'. The opening day roster? Let's wait until we see how things unfold before we condemn the team, coach, GM...whatever.

Enjoy the rest of the draft. I've got to hit the hay.

 

[The Iceman]

Pointless trade it does nothing to help the current roster therefore it's meaningless

Is that you Cliff?
Draft schmaft

 

[Phion Keneuf]

Trade looks nasty. Let’s hope even 1/2 pan out

 

[kb]

Based on what, exactly?

His vitals

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Based on what, exactly?

AHL’ers are not bad i suppose

 

[Isaac Nootin]

AHL’ers are not bad i suppose

Who's the AHL'ers?

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Is that you Cliff?
Draft schmaft

It would be different if it were 2015 but in 2020 until AT LEAST 2025 Toronto is in win NOW mode

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Pretty clear win for Dubas. Niemela + Hirvonen > Kleven really easily for me

 

[kk87]

Pretty clear win for Dubas. Niemela + Hirvonen > Kleven really easily for me

Hirvonen
Niemela

*massive chasm*





Kleven

 

[Stephen]

Pretty clear win for Dubas. Niemela + Hirvonen > Kleven really easily for me

Think the real question would be if Kleven ++ vs Wallinder for example would have been the more worthy pursuit.

 

[Notsince67]

Be glad his parents didn't name him Phil

Phil Mysak

or Pat