Proposal: TOR-MIN
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That is horrible for the leafs.... and they take on dumps lol
firstemperor
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No, if you trade JVR/Bozak seperately or in a package, your going to get better futures.
And Minny doesn't want or need JVR/Bozak.
But in pure value, it's bad for the Leafs. You don't destroy 2/3 of a productive scoring line when your in our situation either.
We also don't have a huge need for Dumba.
And Minny doesn't want or need JVR/Bozak.
But in pure value, it's bad for the Leafs. You don't destroy 2/3 of a productive scoring line when your in our situation either.
We also don't have a huge need for Dumba.
jrgtml67
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terrible offer--you get a top scoring winger, a top face off under-rated 2 way center, and a bottom pairing D, for a top 4 D, and you want us to take on a player as a dump...haha good one
Hamonic- a 2018 first round pick, a 2018 second round pick and either a second round pick in 2019 or 2020. Isles also sent a fourth round selection in 2019 or 2020.
Now of course there is an age difference. But how 3 NHLers equate to 1 top 4 RHD and adding a cap dump is hilarious.
Hamonic- a 2018 first round pick, a 2018 second round pick and either a second round pick in 2019 or 2020. Isles also sent a fourth round selection in 2019 or 2020.
Now of course there is an age difference. But how 3 NHLers equate to 1 top 4 RHD and adding a cap dump is hilarious.
jrgtml67
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Well I am a leaf fan---Now---not a chance in hell that deal ever happens. As you said breaking up 2/3rds of a scoring line would never happen for any player even Mcdavid (not using JVR and Bozak just saying breaking up 2/3rds of a line). While I agree with that point, I disagree that Minny wouldnt want them. I didnt even know they had that many injuries, but if that fan is saying they are missing a scoring winger, and 2 way center then I assume they are.
As for us not "needing dumba." Not sure what games you have been watching but we are aching for an upgrade on Carrick. Dumba is 23, put up 34 pts last year (close to Zaitsev numbers) and being a right shot is the big upside. Handedness right now would make a huge difference on our back end. It is far easier to break out, set up plays, and feed our skill guys IF in a perfect world you have LHD-RHD. Since the world is not perfect, an upgrade to that position would be huge. Our top D prospects as it stands are; Dermott, Rosen, Borgman, Lily. All are left except for Liljegren. I would assume he stays at the AHL for the whole year. But who knows, maybe we have injuries on the back end and he gets the call and stays. His skating is elite, iq, again elite, but I think a year playing the NA style would help greatly. Anyway, Dumba would be great. He was one I wanted in the offseason (him or Manson, though we may have our own Manson, in Borgman). If the deal made sense, which this first proposal does not then I would do it. At 2.5 million this season, RFA next season, is the other issue. We have Nylander coming off his ELC, and then the following year Matthews and Marner. No doubt Dumba would require close to 5mill AAV, so could we even afford to keep him?
As for us not "needing dumba." Not sure what games you have been watching but we are aching for an upgrade on Carrick. Dumba is 23, put up 34 pts last year (close to Zaitsev numbers) and being a right shot is the big upside. Handedness right now would make a huge difference on our back end. It is far easier to break out, set up plays, and feed our skill guys IF in a perfect world you have LHD-RHD. Since the world is not perfect, an upgrade to that position would be huge. Our top D prospects as it stands are; Dermott, Rosen, Borgman, Lily. All are left except for Liljegren. I would assume he stays at the AHL for the whole year. But who knows, maybe we have injuries on the back end and he gets the call and stays. His skating is elite, iq, again elite, but I think a year playing the NA style would help greatly. Anyway, Dumba would be great. He was one I wanted in the offseason (him or Manson, though we may have our own Manson, in Borgman). If the deal made sense, which this first proposal does not then I would do it. At 2.5 million this season, RFA next season, is the other issue. We have Nylander coming off his ELC, and then the following year Matthews and Marner. No doubt Dumba would require close to 5mill AAV, so could we even afford to keep him?
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Calling Dumba a Top 4 d-man in generous. Just because he plays in Minny's top 4 doesn't mean he should.
He's f***ing dreadful. Definition of lights are on but nobody is home.
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Was about to change the proposal to JVR-1st-2nd since I was more basing Bozak's value on HF opinion of a 2nd but Lol guess I've overrated Dumba, lock'er up
This proposed trade is bizarre, to say the least. To you know how many cap dumps the Leafs would have to take on to make it even close to workable?
Can we PLEASE have a "No JVR" rule on the Trade boards this year? It's tiresome.
Can we PLEASE have a "No JVR" rule on the Trade boards this year? It's tiresome.
All of the injuries are short term and to the cap heavy forwards. The wild don't have any d-men cap dumps. The entire premise makes no sense and a trade doesn't solve anything in regards to the short term injury issues the team is facing.
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How far off of impacts will Kapanen, Leivo (Nylander to C), and Dumba put up vs. JVR, Bozak, and Carrick's impact? (This was my view when thinking Dumba was like a Zaitsev level player currently, not a tools no toolbox kid, so it'd be improvement/lateral this year and Dumba long term for the 1st)
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Regardless of team needs on either side, this is awful awful awful value for Toronto. In what world is Dumba worth that much? Not even remotely close.
Dumba is a top 4 dman. You can keep saying he isn't but that doesn't make you right. However, he and Brodin, for whatever reason, do not look good together. Someone should call up Jordan Leopold to play with Dumba since neither Scandella nor Brodin can handle his play style and Suter is playing with Spurgeon.
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I'd rather just take a first and a prospect, which is likely what JVR is worth. Dumba adds nothing to the Leafs and, quite frankly, he's just not that good. He's like Gardiner before he was good. The Leafs are in no position to try and fix that type of player.
JVR and Bozak are UFAs and likely to walk. With Coyle's cap space the Wild will recall Kunin, Ferraro, Bertschy, and Mitchell. Then after Saturday's game it is believed that Granlund and Parise will be ready to go.
Dumba is an offensive producer. The team has outscored the opponents when he is on the ice 7-3 so far this season. Last season it was 92-61. The year before that was 67-52. It's always positive. A lot of his offensive numbers from last year were top pairing (top 60). Sure, there are defensive lapses but when it comes down to it the team outscores the opponent when Dumba is on the ice. People get so focused on the little things that if Dumba doesn't play a perfect game then he becomes the definition of "the lights are on but nobody is home."
Dumba is an offensive producer. The team has outscored the opponents when he is on the ice 7-3 so far this season. Last season it was 92-61. The year before that was 67-52. It's always positive. A lot of his offensive numbers from last year were top pairing (top 60). Sure, there are defensive lapses but when it comes down to it the team outscores the opponent when Dumba is on the ice. People get so focused on the little things that if Dumba doesn't play a perfect game then he becomes the definition of "the lights are on but nobody is home."
Only if we can also have a no trade Tanev rule, And we all know how successful that'll be
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