Confirmed Signing with Link: [TOR] John Tavares signs with the Leafs (7 years, $11M AAV) Part II

[DANTHEMAN1967]

Yeaah, we have been in the basement for a decade, but at least theres people alive who experience the cup wins! Oilers was a judge fail(Toronto) away from a conference final.

Leafs hasnt passed the first round yet and still you and other fans thinks they are contenders(even last season), JT are good but not the missing piece, the offensive is the smallest problem, in the regulary season at least.

Vegas showed that a team without superstars could reach the finals if you are built for a playoff, have 4 lines who plays hard.

Leafs arent in that group who can go all the way next season, the overall defence is to bad, to many soft players who dissapear in tight playoff games. Last season Andersen and Mr backup stole games at regulary basis in a crappy division when the team was outshot and outplayed. They couldnt do it in the playoffs, says alot how bad the Leafs defence are.

Last season Leafs fans told me that Gardiner was a true no 1 D and zaitsev a 2. LOL! Your best D are Reilly who has brainfarts in own zone though and then. Dermott was sheltered and can easily crap the bed with tougher duty. Borgman was the only D who can protect around the crease , but dont show up every night, he is also a turnovermachine who cost goals against, could easily go to the farm.

Then you have a pretty old Rosen in the farm who couldnt brake into a crappy D last season.Rookie Liljegren is a big questionmark, who need sheltered time and has defensive issues.

I like Oilers chances to go all the way soon, we had no depth on D last injury cursed season and it cost us, now we have depth at 4-6 and a young Nurse who had a career year last season . A healthy Klefbom and Larsson is money on the bank, Larsson shuts down anyone in the leuage, Klefbom has offensive upside . Back to a normal pp and with a normal pk, we will reach the playoffs with a wide marginal

We have McDavid the best offensive player on the planet, Drai and Rnh is a really good 1- 2 and 2-3 hadnt changed them with any teams top 3 C and they are young and have their prime in the front of them.

Talbot could be a problem if he not bouncing back. but he will have more help in a healthy team.

Oilers showed 2 season ago that they are a tough nut to crack, big and plays hard, thats whats missing in a Leafs team, to many soft regular season performers.

If i was a Leafs fan, i wouldnt talk so much about contending before you even won a 1st round in a playoff and 50 years since a cup. it make no sense!

It's hilarious to read how sad the Leafs defence is from an Edmonton fan.
Do you realise that the Leafs gave up more than 30 goals less than your team?
Do you realise that this makes everything you have written sound immature?
As long as the Oilers have a GM who signs contracts like Lucic's, trades away MVP talent for a #4 defenseman and pays $2.5 million for a backup goalie that has played only 4 games with a 4.33 GAA the Oilers won't be going anywhere.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Your are just as good a team this year than you were last year. If you signed tavares and kept both other players that left then yes I would get the euphoria. Tavares and ahl scrub will probably score 110 points also. Maybe.

Good thing it isn't going to be an AHL scrub then I guess. I would be really worried then!!

 

[McClelland]

It's hilarious to read how sad the Leafs defence is from an Edmonton fan.
Do you realise that the Leafs gave up more than 30 goals less than your team?
Do you realise that this makes everything you have written sound immature?
As long as the Oilers have a GM who signs contracts like Lucic's, trades away MVP talent for a #4 defenseman and pays $2.5 million for a backup goalie that has played only 4 games with a 4.33 GAA the Oilers won't be going anywhere.

This thread is about Leafs property not the Oilers! Wasnt the Oilers fanbase who made us contenders after that little run we had 2 seasons ago, it was other fans and betting sites!

Chia isnt on my toplist, some really bad signings, that Lucics contract would be a anchor was a negative surprise, surely he had alternatives at the time it happened.

That scenario can happen any team who signs especially young hot players to big bucks, they can cool off or reaching a roof in their development.

We will see next season what happens, but perhaps you dont understand that Sekera was gone the first half and wasnt in game shape when came back, both Larsson and klefbom was injured and played halfinjured, Larsson father died suddenly in a heartattack! We had to play Defenders in positions over their heads and it hurts when your depht was nothing( better now). Talbot had a crapseason and the specialteams killed us.

I know you only take shots(you arent alone) rather then have a opinion with some meat on the bones.

Let see whos hiding out after the coming season, i give you a hint, it isnt me! Perhaps no one?

 

[X66]

Confirmed, JVR, Bozak and Komarov more valuable than Crosby.

116 pointzzz vs 89 pointzzzz

Letz celebrate

 

[Nizdizzle]

You guys must still be tipsy after the parade

A quick-witted and original response to be sure. If you don't want to read about Toronto, don't go to a thread about a player signing in Toronto. Even you should be able to grasp a concept as simple as that.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

I don't think I missed the point.
Why do you say that he "lied" to the Leafs? I think the Leaf management "lied" to him first. The deal was NO TRADE, but management wanted to renege. Why doesn't anybody talk about that??
I don't think Mats "lied" about being traded half way through the season. He didn't want to leave. He went to Vancouver only to stick it to management not because he really wanted to go. Otherwise he would have taken the other 10 million.
Anyway, yes, you're right, his jersey is in the rafters, but there are many leaf fans who turned on Mats and are still mad at him. That's why I stick up for him...he deserved more respect than that.

I love him and always will but he had the power to set our franchise up with probably a couple of first round draft picks and refused over not wanting to do something he eventually did anyway. It bothers me but not enough to taint how much he did for us. Don't forget the context of the Muskoka 5 and the dawn of the country club atmosphere. That was the beginning of a long demoralizing stretch for us fans that we are only now hopefully crawling out of. It all could have been different if Mats had waived his NTC (as in the rebuild could have started more than a decade earlier with a nice head start).

 

[Tall Morty]

Didn't even count uncle Leo's 20 points. Or it would have been 130 out the door.

Those 3 players also signed for 16 million dollars combined. Tavares signed for 11. We saved 5 million dollars for 50 points and dropped 2 players who didn’t play defense, while giving our young guys a chance to play on ELCs.

But please, continue to spin this as a bad thing.

Edit: My bad, 15 million. (4 million savings). Point still stands

 

[egd27]

If i was a Leafs fan, i wouldnt talk so much about contending before you even won a 1st round in a playoff and 50 years since a cup. it make no sense!

The way you just made a case for the Oilers being so much better than they are, I'm guessing if you were a Leaf fan you would.

 

[Ciccio1980]

Let's see how this goes
Tavares great signing top 5 centre good value
Oh he signed with the leafs
Overpayed too slow you're going to loose one if the 3

 

[SHANNYPLAN]

It's hilarious to read how sad the Leafs defence is from an Edmonton fan.
Do you realise that the Leafs gave up more than 30 goals less than your team?
Do you realise that this makes everything you have written sound immature?
As long as the Oilers have a GM who signs contracts like Lucic's, trades away MVP talent for a #4 defenseman and pays $2.5 million for a backup goalie that has played only 4 games with a 4.33 GAA the Oilers won't be going anywhere.

Leafs Defence is better than the Oilers, maybe not even on paper but on the ice.

 

[Pi]

Guys we lost 30 points.

We should have signed JvR and Bozak and then flipped Kadri, JvR and Bozak for McDavid. Oilers obviously win the trade because we give up more points but whatever.

 

[Pi]

Before...Man Leaf fans are so delusional. Tavares is not going to Toronto lol. No way. He’s just using them to get more money. He’s staying in NY or going to SJ.

Now...JvR + Bozak >> Tavares. Haha. Love the spin team here.

 

[LeafFever]

JVR will never score 36 goals again and was a 5 on 5 3rd liner.

 

[McClelland]

In your post you mocked that Leaf fans thought they were contenders after making playoffs for 2 years, and then follow it up with that you "like Oilers chances to go all the way soon" following a season where the Oilers looked atrocious and finished 23rd overall (Leafs finished 7th btw). You constantly criticized the Leafs defense which allowed fewer goals than the Oilers did.

I just don't see how you can make a post like that without seeing the irony. You've given the Oilers every benefit of the doubt, while giving the Leafs zero - even when results clearly and strongly favour the Leafs.

I won't comment of the "Ontario" bit, because I'm not a child making blanket statements about an entire province.

Hasnt anything to do how last season ended. it wasnt me who made the Oilers contenders before last season, it was the betting sites and also fans from other fanbases!

Im not saying that the Oilers are contenders but we had a great season before this one and we won 1 round and was a meh judge decision from going into the conference final.

Are we that good or bad as the last season, we still have our mainpieces and i dont think McD and Drai getting any worser, not Nurse either. Pulijärvi showned life in a injury cursed season at D with no depth, it killed us especially before cristmas. Larsson was worldclass at the worlds and showned offensive upside. A healthy Klefbom showned that he has no 1 D upside the season before and Sekera has always been reliable and was mostly injured. The PP and pk broke down and cant sink any further down, only go up.

Or do you think that the little run we had was pure luck and last season our standard, then keep making a fool of your self.

Probably comfortable to the playoffs and then there anything can happens, we are by all means underdogs but we have showned that we are built for playoff hockey. No team bounces us around.

Jt are a great addition but far from enough to planning for a parade, your biggest problems are elsewhere, to soft and The D are either unproven or crappy, even your best one isnt a sure thing, and for certain not enough to save your bacon in a playoff.

Do you really think that Leafs overall defense are enough for a run ?, saw many games last season where your goalies stole games, probably outshot in more games then opposite!



I think Oilers are built more balanced then the Leafs and the Leafs forwards production are flawed, many of leafs forwards doesnt make so much points if they could play a more responsible defensive game. Marners line produced but also gave up much! Isnt it strange that Marner was - 1 , and he had easier opposition then Am line who were + 10 something. Marner, had to give up a huge amount when he had so many pp points , - isnt a deciding stat but a clear indication of giving up goals. Jvr a 30 + scorer was -2.

Probably had McD a 130 p season if he didnt needed to play a responsible game also!

Good luck ! You can make a thread when we have some answers in the end of the season if you feels for it!

 

[Nizdizzle]

I think Oilers are built more balanced then the Leafs and the Leafs forwards production are flawed, many of leafs forwards doesnt make so much points if they could play a more responsible defensive game. Marners line produced but also gave up much! Isnt it strange that Marner was - 1 , and he had easier opposition then Am line who were + 10 something. Marner, had to give up a huge amount when he had so many pp points , - isnt a deciding stat but a clear indication of giving up goals. Jvr a 30 + scorer was -2.

Probably had McD a 130 p season if he didnt needed to play a responsible game also!

Good luck ! You can make a thread when we have some answers in the end of the season if you feels for it!

Isn't it strange that Draisitl was a -7, all the while playing with McDavid or playing against easier opposition than the McDavid line? Is he cheating with offense? Again, you keep giving Oilers players a pass and Leafs player are bad. Oilers have made the playoffs once in twelve seasons and you are using that 1 good season as a standard and the rest as anomalies. You may think the Oilers are built for playoffs, but they sure have a difficult time getting there.

Bozak and JVR were terrible even strength players, and great PP specialists. This is well known, but the are also both being replaced by more responsible defensive players. This would be a good thing based on your post.

 

[CanadianPantherFan]

This thread is about Leafs property not the Oilers! Wasnt the Oilers fanbase who made us contenders after that little run we had 2 seasons ago, it was other fans and betting sites!

Chia isnt on my toplist, some really bad signings, that Lucics contract would be a anchor was a negative surprise, surely he had alternatives at the time it happened.

That scenario can happen any team who signs especially young hot players to big bucks, they can cool off or reaching a roof in their development.

We will see next season what happens, but perhaps you dont understand that Sekera was gone the first half and wasnt in game shape when came back, both Larsson and klefbom was injured and played halfinjured, Larsson father died suddenly in a heartattack! We had to play Defenders in positions over their heads and it hurts when your depht was nothing( better now). Talbot had a crapseason and the specialteams killed us.

I know you only take shots(you arent alone) rather then have a opinion with some meat on the bones.

Let see whos hiding out after the coming season, i give you a hint, it isnt me! Perhaps no one?

You really buy that?
The Vegas odds "just inflated" themselves as second cup fav behind Pitt going into the year?
No Oilers fans thought they were bringing home cup?
Bet for first time in awhile to win the cup/put more $$ "action" on Oilers to win cup ?
No Oilers fans were bit cocky/confident going into season?
Other fans? Explain ?

 

[Menzinger]

Guys we lost 30 points.

We should have signed JvR and Bozak and then flipped Kadri, JvR and Bozak for McDavid. Oilers obviously win the trade because we give up more points but whatever.

Funny enough, a healthy Matthews is likely good for almost an extra 20-30 points on his own, let alone improvements from a Nylander/Marner

 

[McClelland]

Isn't it strange that Draisitl was a -7, all the while playing with McDavid or playing against easier opposition than the McDavid line? Is he cheating with offense? Again, you keep giving Oilers players a pass and Leafs player are bad. Oilers have made the playoffs once in twelve seasons and you are using that 1 good season as a standard and the rest as anomalies. You may think the Oilers are built for playoffs, but they sure have a difficult time getting there.

Bozak and JVR were terrible even strength players, and great PP specialists. This is well known, but the are also both being replaced by more responsible defensive players. This would be a good thing based on your post.

Jvr and Bozak was bad defensive but why give Marner a free card? Lucic was - 12. If you see Oilers last season as normal one then you will be surprised.

Dont know how many times i need to explain about the D injurys. Playing russell at 2 and Benning at 3 . Its like playing Borgman at 2 and marincin at 3, try it out and perhaps you understand.

We arent a sure thing but we are built pretty good for playoffs, outside MCd we lacked speed a bit but im sure that we have a better chance then the current Leafs and has a greater chance to go far in a playoff.

We also have a generational Player!

You need to get a bit lucky in the cap era with injurys on keyplayers because no team are deep in all areas, and a goalie who show up at right time!

 

[McClelland]

You really buy that?
The Vegas odds "just inflated" themselves as second cup fav behind Pitt going into the year?
No Oilers fans thought they were bringing home cup?
Bet for first time in awhile to win the cup/put more $$ "action" on Oilers to win cup ?
No Oilers fans were bit cocky/confident going into season?
Other fans? Explain ?

Sure there were cocky ones, but in our own board it wasnt any parade plans, we suffered enough for a decade and not take a cup in advance. I was worried why we didnt do nothing off season . Chia standing pat and didnt improved the depth,he hoped that everyone would be healthy and that Talbot could take 70 games a season and still perform. I blame Chia for the situation!

 

[Pi]

Funny enough, a healthy Matthews is likely good for almost an extra 20-30 points on his own, let alone improvements from a Nylander/Marner

Yeah, also people seem to forget that JvR and Komarov are being replaced by Kapanen and Johnsson. Obviously they won’t score 36 goals, but they are much better defensively and aren’t a complete black hole offensively as it is in the case of Komarov.

Without a single improvement on D, the Leafs are still better defensively with the additions and subtractions they have made.

One good D will be a great add to this team but they will compete for the division even without it.

 

[NextYear67]

May this thread never die. Signing of the century

 

[Gary Nylund]

Hasnt anything to do how last season ended. it wasnt me who made the Oilers contenders before last season, it was the betting sites and also fans from other fanbases!

Im not saying that the Oilers are contenders but we had a great season before this one and we won 1 round and was a meh judge decision from going into the conference final.

Are we that good or bad as the last season, we still have our mainpieces and i dont think McD and Drai getting any worser, not Nurse either. Pulijärvi showned life in a injury cursed season at D with no depth, it killed us especially before cristmas. Larsson was worldclass at the worlds and showned offensive upside. A healthy Klefbom showned that he has no 1 D upside the season before and Sekera has always been reliable and was mostly injured. The PP and pk broke down and cant sink any further down, only go up.

Or do you think that the little run we had was pure luck and last season our standard, then keep making a fool of your self.

Probably comfortable to the playoffs and then there anything can happens, we are by all means underdogs but we have showned that we are built for playoff hockey. No team bounces us around.

Jt are a great addition but far from enough to planning for a parade, your biggest problems are elsewhere, to soft and The D are either unproven or crappy, even your best one isnt a sure thing, and for certain not enough to save your bacon in a playoff.

Do you really think that Leafs overall defense are enough for a run ?, saw many games last season where your goalies stole games, probably outshot in more games then opposite!

I think Oilers are built more balanced then the Leafs and the Leafs forwards production are flawed, many of leafs forwards doesnt make so much points if they could play a more responsible defensive game. Marners line produced but also gave up much! Isnt it strange that Marner was - 1 , and he had easier opposition then Am line who were + 10 something. Marner, had to give up a huge amount when he had so many pp points , - isnt a deciding stat but a clear indication of giving up goals. Jvr a 30 + scorer was -2.

Probably had McD a 130 p season if he didnt needed to play a responsible game also!

Good luck ! You can make a thread when we have some answers in the end of the season if you feels for it!

You spent all that time writing about how great the Oilers are compared to the Leafs in a thread about Tavares?

 

[al secord]

The asses were dumb that day, my friend.

 

[McClelland]

You spent all that time writing about how great the Oilers are compared to the Leafs in a thread about Tavares?

Sry "bro"! I didnt brought up Oilers in the first place, Leaf fans did that with multible shots at Oilers when i posted about the Leafs. But even if i had brought the Oilers up, its nothing wrong to compare those teams, both has good to great C in their teams.

Do you think Toronto are contenders ? why doesnt people put out their cheeks about that prediction? Is the current team enough to compete for a ring? My answer is no and i have given my 2 cents on the matter. Lets hear about that? are JT enough to make the team contenders? Bring it one!

 

[Gary Nylund]

Sry "bro"! I didnt brought up Oilers in the first place, Leaf fans did that with multible shots at Oilers when i posted about the Leafs. But even if i had brought the Oilers up, its nothing wrong to compare those teams, both has good to great C in their teams.

Do you think Toronto are contenders ? why doesnt people put out their cheeks about that prediction? Is the current team enough to compete for a ring? My answer is no and i have given my 2 cents on the matter. Lets hear about that? are JT enough to make the team contenders? Bring it one!

The Leafs got 105 points last year.
WSH got 105 points last year.
WSH won the cup last year.
The Leafs added Tavares to their roster.
The players the Leafs lost from their roster are relatively insignificant, all the top players are back, many of them are young and likely to improve.

Any more questions?