Confirmed with Link: Toews out indefinitely with illness

[Malaka]

This is a lack of understanding for statistics and probability distribution.

The more people on the planet, the more people playing hockey, the more good players there are, the more talent normalizes....

Not only normalizes, but at the end of the distribution the top .1% blows up

 

[Pez68]

More people on the planet has nothing to do with how many teams there are in the NHL. And we were talking about more teams in the league.

Yes, it does. The number of people playing hockey is completely relevant to the conversation.

 

[SotasicA]

Yes, it does. The number of people playing hockey is completely relevant to the conversation.

Today I learned two billion extra people in China and India make today's NHL players better than 1960's NHL players.

 

[SotasicA]

Right. The NHL back in 1965 was almost entirely Canadians. It was 96% in 1970, the furthest back I could find. It's currently 43%. The NHL is an international league now, as far as players are concerned. That fact alone tells you there's WAY more competition now.

The league could have been 200% Canadian back in the Original Six days and it'd still be way easier for a Canadian hockey player to crack the NHL today vs 60's.

Say you're the 100th best Canadian hockey player today vs O6 days. Nowadays you're a star. Third or maybe fourth best Canadian on your team. Back then you'd likely not crack an NHL team roster. Okay you might get in, as a fill-in, or a fringe player.

200th best? Nowadays you are still a millionaire and you have a steady job in the top league in the world, likely a long career, average Canadian NHLer (2ooth out of 300). Middle six, or middle pair, probably. Back in the day? You'd not even be a very good minor leaguer. Ride the bus and hardly make a living wage. Expansion to 12 teams suddenly gave you a (long) shot at making the NHL. But the competition would be insane, even then.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

 

[T1K]

Thought there was Toews news... Nope just a bunch of guys talking about nothing because they have nothing better to do.

 

[Pez68]

The league could have been 200% Canadian back in the Original Six days and it'd still be way easier for a Canadian hockey player to crack the NHL today vs 60's.

Say you're the 100th best Canadian hockey player today vs O6 days. Nowadays you're a star. Third or maybe fourth best Canadian on your team. Back then you'd likely not crack an NHL team roster. Okay you might get in, as a fill-in, or a fringe player.

200th best? Nowadays you are still a millionaire and you have a steady job in the top league in the world, likely a long career, average Canadian NHLer (2ooth out of 300). Middle six, or middle pair, probably. Back in the day? You'd not even be a very good minor leaguer. Ride the bus and hardly make a living wage. Expansion to 12 teams suddenly gave you a (long) shot at making the NHL. But the competition would be insane, even then.

You have absolutely no idea how percentiles work.

 

[SotasicA]

You have absolutely no idea how percentiles work.

The opposite is true. I'm an engineer.

 

[Pez68]

The opposite is true. I'm an engineer.

How are you failing to grasp this then?

Being the 100th best player out of 1000 players is a lot easier than being the 100th best player out of 100,000 players... The odds of a minor hockey player making the NHL now are lower than they were in the 1960s, regardless of how many teams there are. Teams have grown by five times, but the number of players has likely grown by 15-20 times... Possibly more.

The number of registered hockey players in the United States has gone up by five times....just since 1990...

 

[Marotte Marauder]

The number of registered hockey players in the United States has gone up by five times....just since 1990...

A significant percentage of which would be adult and girls hockey expanding.

More recent numbers are not as rosy. Since 2000 USAHockey numbers (total) are up 18%, Canada +5%, Sweden +18%, Finland +10%.

Considering the great boom of girls hockey, there are not increasing amounts of potential NHLers in the system.

Additionally, there is no Toews talk because there is no Toews, not now and I suspect not again.

 

[RayP]

Anyone know what Toews had for breakfast today? Maybe we can argue about that next.

 

[Marotte Marauder]

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Let us know if there is a difference between players who came up wearing helmets, full cages and mouth guards and those who didn't. Therein lies your answer as to why those earlier guys would thrive in the current environment.

It would be like a friendly scrimmage for them.

 

[SotasicA]

How are you failing to grasp this then?

Being the 100th best player out of 1000 players is a lot easier than being the 100th best player out of 100,000 players... The odds of a minor hockey player making the NHL now are lower than they were in the 1960s, regardless of how many teams there are. Teams have grown by five times, but the number of players has likely grown by 15-20 times... Possibly more.

The number of registered hockey players in the United States has gone up by five times....just since 1990...

I was talking about Canada, where popularity has been the most constant. So it's easy to compare. And you can see it's easier now than it was back then.

 

[madgoat33]

So your argument is that being the best canadian hockey player (league was 95+% canadian) is more impressive than being the best player in the world like now? Nostalgia is hilarious. As far as the other argument that players from back then would have it easy now physically, the average nhler is 2 inches taller and 20lbs heavier than in 1970.

NHL Player Size From 1917-18 to 2014-15: A Brief Look

 

[Sir Loin]

I miss Toes.

 

[Brightwing]

Anyone know what Toews had for breakfast today? Maybe we can argue about that next.

Gluten free waffles toasted in the Toewster.

 

[ChiHawks10]

An engineer that has absolutely ZERO grasp of how percentiles work.
And then tries to explain it away as "I'm speaking about only the Canadian players."

I wouldn't want this guy engineering a happy meal.

This f***ing thread. Shut it down DHF. There's too much stupid. Shut it down until there's actually news about Toews.

 

[Marotte Marauder]

As far as the other argument that players from back then would have it easy now physically, the average nhler is 2 inches taller and 20lbs heavier than in 1970.

And play Charmin soft.

 

[ChiHawks10]

And play Charmin soft.

Yes, playoff hockey demonstrates how Charmin soft those NHLers all are.

And those NHLers back then, who were smoking in the f***ing locker room between periods, would dominate today's NHL, and blow all current players out of the water. Those same players who couldn't even lift the puck, and who basically looked like a bunch of benders skating around out there, outside of those who were "elite", like your Hulls and Makitas.

The boomer obsession with the "glory" of their past is f***ing hilarious.

 

[Hawkaholic]

And play Charmin soft.

You mean, players cant just go around committing assault on each other any more. How sad. If you dont think players nowadays couldnt play back then, you are crazy. Maybe some couldnt, but a bunch of them could. The idea that they were stronger and better back then is stupid.

 

[Pez68]

Come on guys. Current players would have no chance against guys like Hull. He walked 10 miles to school every day. Uphill both ways. With no shoes.

 

[ChiHawks10]

Come on guys. Current players would have no chance against guys like Hull. He walked 10 miles to school every day. Uphill both ways. With no shoes.

In 20 feet of snow, when it was 30 below zero!

 

[hawksrule]

Defensemen in the ‘60s/‘70s could barely skate.

 

[Pez68]

Defensemen in the ‘60s/‘70s could barely skate.

Most defensemen in the 80s and early 90s could barely skate. And the same goes for most third and fourth liners.... Let's be honest here. Lol.

 

[Callidusblackhawk]

Most defensemen in the 80s and early 90s could barely skate. And the same goes for most third and fourth liners.... Let's be honest here. Lol.

But what's really more important? Being able to skate or being able to play hockey without a helmet?