artilector
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Anyway, regarding Oshie, I can live with any reasonable outcome. If Oshie leaves, and Caps get faster/younger/more cap flexible, fine. If Oshie stays on a reasonable contract, ok.
Okay, so do the math. With your crystal ball, he's a 20-goal scorer like MoJo at $4.6m, but he's also a top-line guy in every even-strength situation (plays 5v5, 4v4, 3v3), a key performer on PP1, a standout penalty killer, one of your best forecheckers, a decent faceoff guy, doesn't take penalties despite playing a physical game, and is one of the best shootout players in the league.
This guy wears a lot of hats for your team, and he's due a raise even from your "all about goals" perspective. There's no reason he can't learn to curb his more rambunctious tendencies to protect himself better, and he's not a speed guy, so his game figures to age well otherwise.
If you don't think he's worth it, that's fine. Just be prepared for the holes his departure will leave all over the lineup.
Alzner was a RFA when he signed his last deal. Any discount was small and not offering him a contract was pretty much not an option. Facts are important.How to you gauge his willingness to stay here then? Everyone always says they want to stay, but uprooting the family may get old. He seemed rather emphatic and un-Winnik like in pronouncing he wanted to stay. That literally means discount to me.
I know its un-American and all, but not everyone is all about money. Alzner took a discount to sign his last contract. If we were afraid of insulting him, should we have not offered him a contract?
If they are leaving anyways, who cares about the insult factor. TJ knows we are facing a bit of cap hell and it can be sold that way.
Justin Williams still seems like a much better fit than Oshie at this point at least from the Capitals' perspective. His cap-hit and term are both going to be lower than Oshie's and over the past two seasons he's actually been a better possession player and produced more at even strength/60 than Oshie despite Oshie shooting at 23% last season.
I'd imagine that Williams' decline will be sharper over the next two seasons than Oshie's just because of age but he should still be a solid middle six option and provide better value, i.e. not be wildly overpaid. It's a low-risk move and in a good case you are getting ~50 points from Williams.
Edit: Williams is behind only Backstrom, Ovechkin, and Kuznetsov in terms of even strength points over the past two seasons. Why aren't we talking about offering him a 2 year, $8 million contract instead of offering Oshie a 7 year, $40 million contract?
I'm not opposed to keeping Williams if the money is right, but the difference is versatility. Oshie is a better on the PP and PK, plays in all even-strength situations, and stronger on the forecheck. The shootout thing isn't a big deal, but it's not nothing.
Since it's likely a one-or-the-other situation, I'd lean toward Oshie. If it were a matter of filling a top-6 spot for a couple years because we have guys maturing in the pipleline, Williams would be the better choice. But our farm is pretty thin at RW, Oshie plugs right into our "core" age-wise, and it's been a very good fit.
Forget the 30 goals, T.J. Oshie earned his contract in the Capitals’ locker room
Great read. Really shows what Oshie brings to this team. I think GMBM made the right decision in locking him up long term.
Exactly why some of us wanted him signed. Intangibles matter. He still needs to produce though.
Btw Oshie on pace for 39g, 69pts
Williams on pace for 10g, 66pts
In a perfect world I wish we still had Williams, I really liked the guy and what he brought to the team. We had to make a choice and he didn't fit in the plans.
I'm not sure he wanted to resign here.In a perfect world I wish we still had Williams, I really liked the guy and what he brought to the team. We had to make a choice and he didn't fit in the plans.
Freaking pisses me off how he gets hit in the back and ther'es no 5 min major. Alan May was incensed on commentary last night about it. How isn't that 5 minutes.
Could have changed the game. Instead the Caps and Canes are tied 2-2.
It would take a crime to get a 5min PP of the last minutes of a close playoff game. I don’t know if I’ve ever seen that called
I know. Kids have stop signs on the back of their jerseys now to get those hits out of the game. He knew what he was doing but still won’t get a 5 min majorIn seasons past I would agree completely.
Not now. Should have been at least 5, possibly 5/game.
Can’t drill guys, in the numbers, into the boards. Especially when they’re in an awkward position. Guy last night had the choice to either do that or not, he opted to drill him.
Still amazes me the league goes on and on about this stuff, head shots too, yet when a play like last night happens they do nothing.
Has there been any talk of supplemental punishment?