News Article: Thoughts On Proposed PNC Arena Upgrades?

[chaz4hockey]

yeah this is inevitable. The question will be: will the sportsbook be inside PNC, a new building built on to PNC, or external as part of a new development around the arena like The Battery around the Braves park or the Power and Light District in KC.

Even if built outside, I’m sure there will be betting locations (perhaps replacing some of our favorite food items) throughout the stadium.

I suspect it will be similar to my visit to Old Trafford for a Man U game with betting everywhere and on anything that you can bet on in a hockey game (1st goal, goal scorers, final score, shots on goal, etc…lol, I’ll take the Canes as the Corso winner every game)

 

[robbieberns]

the way sports betting has impacted fan culture has been detrimental to an unfathomable degeee

 

[tarheelhockey]

the way sports betting has impacted fan culture has been detrimental to an unfathomable degeee

At this point it's rapidly becoming a betting culture, not a fan culture. There are plenty of people in the building betting against the home team and pissed off if they beat the spread..

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

At this point it's rapidly becoming a betting culture, not a fan culture. There are plenty of people in the building betting against the home team and pissed off if they beat the spread..

Every game I've been to or watched, the fans go nuts when the home team scores regardless of the score and leave pissed if they lose. I think you guys are exaggerating. Are there some individual cases? Of course, but it's not a large % at all.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Every game I've been to or watched, the fans go nuts when the home team scores regardless of the score and leave pissed if they lose. I think you guys are exaggerating. Are there some individual cases? Of course, but it's not a large % at all.

If it turns out to have the atmosphere of literally any other sportsbook environment, then your experience of this will change. People do not jump up and cheer when a garbage-time goal costs them a chunk of their paycheck.

They are creating an environment where large crowds walk into the building, get swept up in the atmosphere, place impulsive bets, and lose an amount of money they may or may not be able to afford. It’s exploitative of the emotions people experience at a game, to say nothing of the long term addiction element for people who go to 2-3 games a week.

 

[Lempo]

At this point it's rapidly becoming a betting culture, not a fan culture. There are plenty of people in the building betting against the home team and pissed off if they beat the spread..

This sounds like a basis for a Seinfeld episode plot.

"Hey! This guy is betting against the Yankees!"

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

If it turns out to have the atmosphere of literally any other sportsbook environment, then your experience of this will change. People do not jump up and cheer when a garbage-time goal costs them a chunk of their paycheck.

I don't buy it. Some sports book environments, like horse racing, don't have a home team that you've been rooting for. It's different horses every year and sometimes every race. There's no "die hard" fans of a race horse.

Will there be fans upset if they lose a bet because of a garbage time goal? sure, there will be some, but fans want to see their home team win. You think a Buffalo Bills fan is going to be pissed about losing some money of his team wins the Super Bowl?

They are creating an environment where large crowds walk into the building, get swept up in the atmosphere, place impulsive bets, and lose an amount of money they may or may not be able to afford. It’s exploitative of the emotions people experience at a game, to say nothing of the long term addiction element for people who go to 2-3 games a week.

Being worried about some people who can't control their gambling is valid, but I still think you are exaggerating the impact. I could be wrong so I guess we'll see. I know guys that are in fantasy hockey leagues where the "entry" fee is $5,000-$10000. Those guys don't root against their favorite team because of it.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

I know guys that are in fantasy hockey leagues where the "entry" fee is $5,000-$10000.

You know guys with too much f***ing money.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

You know guys with too much f***ing money.

What's funny is 1 of the guys, years ago, asked if I wanted to join (before telling me the cost), but I told him I don't really do fantasy sports. He said, "if you change your mind, let me know, the entry fee is $5000 so you can win a lot of money". My jaw dropped. He's a doctor so I guess he does have too much f***ing money.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

What's funny is 1 of the guys, years ago, asked if I wanted to join (before telling me the cost), but I told him I don't really do fantasy sports. He said, "if you change your mind, let me know, the entry fee is $5000 so you can win a lot of money". My jaw dropped. He's a doctor so I guess he does have too much f***ing money.

If one of my friends were spending that much money on fantasy hockey, I would be feeding him every line of insane Galaxy Brain bullshit I could think of to f*** with him.

 

[Svechhammer]

This sounds like a basis for a Seinfeld episode plot.

"Hey! This guy is betting against the Yankees!"

Asked Bing and it delivered

Sure! Here’s a short script I came up with:

Scene: Jerry and George are sitting in the stands at Yankee Stadium.

Jerry: Hey George, look at that guy over there. He’s wearing a Red Sox cap.

George: In Yankee Stadium? That takes guts.

Jerry: Yeah, and look at his phone. He’s placing a bet.

George: Against the Yankees?

Jerry: Looks like it.

George: That’s like betting against your own family!

Jerry: Yeah, but if he wins…

George: He’ll be rich and hated.

Jerry: (laughs) Yeah, that’s a tough choice.

End scene.

I hope you enjoy it! Is there anything else you’d like to know?

 

[Joe McGrath]

Asked Bing and it delivered

Sure! Here’s a short script I came up with:

Scene: Jerry and George are sitting in the stands at Yankee Stadium.

Jerry: Hey George, look at that guy over there. He’s wearing a Red Sox cap.

George: In Yankee Stadium? That takes guts.

Jerry: Yeah, and look at his phone. He’s placing a bet.

George: Against the Yankees?

Jerry: Looks like it.

George: That’s like betting against your own family!

Jerry: Yeah, but if he wins…

George: He’ll be rich and hated.

Jerry: (laughs) Yeah, that’s a tough choice.

End scene.

I hope you enjoy it! Is there anything else you’d like to know?

I think the premise might lend itself to Curb better.

 

[Lempo]

Asked Bing and it delivered

Sure! Here’s a short script I came up with:

Scene: Jerry and George are sitting in the stands at Yankee Stadium.

Jerry: Hey George, look at that guy over there. He’s wearing a Red Sox cap.

George: In Yankee Stadium? That takes guts.

Jerry: Yeah, and look at his phone. He’s placing a bet.

George: Against the Yankees?

Jerry: Looks like it.

George: That’s like betting against your own family!

Jerry: Yeah, but if he wins…

George: He’ll be rich and hated.

Jerry: (laughs) Yeah, that’s a tough choice.

End scene.

I hope you enjoy it! Is there anything else you’d like to know?

This is more of a random joke or isolated scene though. I was thinking it being more of a A, B or C plot where Kramer (& Newman), or George, or Elaine, or Jerry gets marketed sports betting against your own team as an easy money-making scheme, and then gets called out for it at the stadium by members of the home audience.

"I'm telling you, Jerry, this bunch of homers is putting their money on Yankees. The in-arena odds are tilted towards anyone betting against the home team. You put your money for the visitor on every play, you can't lose!"

 

[Svechhammer]

This is more of a random joke or isolated scene though. I was thinking it being more of a A, B or C plot where Kramer (& Newman), or George, or Elaine, or Jerry gets marketed sports betting against your own team as an easy money-making scheme, and then gets called out for it at the stadium by members of the home audience.

"I'm telling you, Jerry, this bunch of homers is putting their money on Yankees. The in-arena odds are tilted towards anyone betting against the home team. You put your money for the visitor on every play, you can't lose!"

Yeah gonna see if I can get a better result today from CGPT

 

[Lempo]

Jerry: Yeah, and look at his phone. He’s placing a bet.

Interesting tidbit in this: the AI clearly has dated the exchange to happen in the current day. I'd say it's not very plausible that someone would have been betting extensively on SMS back in 1989-98 when the show was made.

 

[Svechhammer]

Ugh, I had a good one going in Chat GPT, and the site is so busy is crapped out halfway through. Gonna have to try again...

[The gang is at Yankee Stadium watching a game. They notice a guy in the stands who is cheering against the Yankees.]

Jerry: Hey, look at this guy.

George: What guy?

Jerry: That guy over there. He's cheering against the Yankees.

Elaine: How can you cheer against your own team?

Kramer: I bet you he's a Met fan.

Jerry: What's the difference? You gotta support your team.

Kramer: Well, that's the difference between us, Jerry. You root for the laundry. [Kramer holds up a Yankees shirt.] I'm a fan of the players.

George: You know, I always wanted to be a ball player. I think I woulda been a natural.

Jerry: Really?

George: Yeah. You know, I played little league for three years. I was a catcher.

Elaine: Really?

George: Yeah. Then in high school, I switched to first base.

Kramer: What happened?

George: What happened? I'll tell you what happened. I was cut from the team.

Elaine: Ooh.

Kramer: That's a tough break.

George: Yeah. But I didn't let it get me down. I just started playing softball.

Jerry: Well, at least you got a sport.

[The guy cheering against the Yankees wins his bet.]

Kramer: Hey, he won.

Jerry: Yeah, but he just bet against his own team.

Kramer: So what? It's just a game.

Jerry: Just a game? You're a fan. That's like your religion.

Kramer: Yeah, well, I'm not gonna go overboard

*Site Error*

 

[Svechhammer]

Nooooooo.... This time it was almost to the end!

[The scene opens with Jerry, George, Elaine, and Kramer walking towards their seats at Yankee Stadium, all dressed in Yankees gear. They are excitedly chatting about the game ahead.]

Jerry: [looking around] You know what I hate? When you're at a game and there's some guy cheering for the other team in your section.

George: Oh, I know! And then they start talking trash to you like they own the place.

Elaine: [nodding] Yeah, and they act like they're so cool and edgy for not rooting for the home team.

Kramer: [piping up] Hey, speaking of betting against the Yankees...

[Everyone turns to look at Kramer]

Jerry: What do you mean, Kramer?

Kramer: Well, I was hanging out at the OTB the other day, and I overheard this guy talking about how he always bets against the Yankees. Says he's made a killing off of it.

Elaine: [skeptically] And why would anyone do that?

Kramer: [shrugs] I don't know, something about hedging his bets or whatever. But he said he's going to be at the game tonight.

George: [incredulous] You mean to tell me there's a Yankees game happening right now, and there's a guy in this stadium who's actively rooting against them?

Jerry: [smirking] Well, that's just sacrilege.

[Cut to a shot of the group settling into their seats, scanning the crowd for any suspicious-looking non-Yankees fans.]

Jerry: [whispering] Alright, keep your eyes peeled. We need to identify this guy.

Elaine: [also whispering] What's our plan once we do?

George: [confidently] We shame him, of course. Make him feel like the traitor he is.

Kramer: [grinning mischievously] Or, hear me out...we make a little bet of our own.

Jerry: [skeptical] I don't know, Kramer. Gambling can be a slippery slope.

Kramer: [insistent] Trust me, Jerry. We bet against this guy, and we're guaranteed to win either way.

[Cut to a shot of the group watching the game intently, occasionally glancing around to try and spot the mystery anti-Yankees fan.]

Elaine: [whispering] I think I see him. Over there, in the blue shirt.

Jerry: [squinting] That's him, alright. Alright, everyone ante up. How much we putting down?

[Cut to a shot of the group exchanging bills and making their own bets against the mystery fan. The tension in the air is palpable.]

Kramer: [whispering] C'mon, baby. Daddy needs a new pair of shoes.

[Cut to a shot of the game, which is reaching its climax. The score is tied, and there's a Yankee on third base with two outs.]

George: [excitedly] This is it! We're gonna win this bet!

[Cut to a shot of the mystery anti-Yankees fan, who is looking increasingly nervous as the game goes on.]

Elaine: [whispering] He knows he's-

*Network Error*

 

[A Star is Burns]

This seems like it needs some sort of special off topic thread I can ignore since Seinfeld blows.

 

[Surrounded By Ahos]

I don’t understand why people are wringing their hands so much about gambling on hockey. The commissioners name is literally Bett Man. What did you think was going to happen?

 

[Svechhammer]

This seems like it needs some sort of special off topic thread I can ignore since Seinfeld blows.

FADE IN:

INT. MONK'S CAFE - DAY

Jerry, George, Elaine, and Kramer are sitting at their usual booth, sipping coffee.

JERRY: You know what I don't get? Why do people who don't like us have to be so terrible about it?

GEORGE: Yeah, it's like they're not content with just not liking us. They have to actively dislike us.

ELAINE: And they always seem to take pleasure in letting us know how much they dislike us.

KRAMER: (nodding) It's like they're on a mission to make our lives miserable.

JERRY: (smirking) Well, they're obviously jealous of our awesomeness.

ELAINE: (rolling her eyes) Oh, please. We're not that great.

GEORGE: Speak for yourself. I'm a catch.

KRAMER: (laughing) You wish, Costanza.

JERRY: (leaning in) But seriously, why do people have to be so mean? Can't they just keep their opinions to themselves?

ELAINE: (shrugging) I don't know. Maybe they're just unhappy with their own lives and need to bring others down to feel better about themselves.

GEORGE: (nodding) That's a good point. Misery loves company.

KRAMER: (taking a sip of his coffee) Or maybe they're just jerks.

JERRY: (smiling) That's always a possibility.

They all take a moment to ponder the idea of people being jerks.

ELAINE: (breaking the silence) But you know what's worse than people who don't like us?

GEORGE: (looking worried) What?

ELAINE: People who pretend to like us but really don't.

JERRY: (nodding) Yeah, those are the worst.

KRAMER: (scoffing) They're like snakes in the grass.

GEORGE: (shaking his head) I can't deal with that kind of deception---

*Network Error*

 

[A Star is Burns]

FADE IN:

INT. MONK'S CAFE - DAY

Jerry, George, Elaine, and Kramer are sitting at their usual booth, sipping coffee.

JERRY: You know what I don't get? Why do people who don't like us have to be so terrible about it?

GEORGE: Yeah, it's like they're not content with just not liking us. They have to actively dislike us.

ELAINE: And they always seem to take pleasure in letting us know how much they dislike us.

KRAMER: (nodding) It's like they're on a mission to make our lives miserable.

JERRY: (smirking) Well, they're obviously jealous of our awesomeness.

ELAINE: (rolling her eyes) Oh, please. We're not that great.

GEORGE: Speak for yourself. I'm a catch.

KRAMER: (laughing) You wish, Costanza.

JERRY: (leaning in) But seriously, why do people have to be so mean? Can't they just keep their opinions to themselves?

ELAINE: (shrugging) I don't know. Maybe they're just unhappy with their own lives and need to bring others down to feel better about themselves.

GEORGE: (nodding) That's a good point. Misery loves company.

KRAMER: (taking a sip of his coffee) Or maybe they're just jerks.

JERRY: (smiling) That's always a possibility.

They all take a moment to ponder the idea of people being jerks.

ELAINE: (breaking the silence) But you know what's worse than people who don't like us?

GEORGE: (looking worried) What?

ELAINE: People who pretend to like us but really don't.

JERRY: (nodding) Yeah, those are the worst.

KRAMER: (scoffing) They're like snakes in the grass.

GEORGE: (shaking his head) I can't deal with that kind of deception---

*Network Error*

I ain't reading all that. I'm happy for u tho. Or sorry that happened.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

This seems like it needs some sort of special off topic thread I can ignore since Seinfeld blows.

Would you prefer the AI generated Seinfeld?

 

[Lempo]

Would you prefer the AI generated Seinfeld?

You know. In the early days of smartphones (=2010) I actively wanted to look into ebooks. And for some reason, them being public domain and therefore free surely being one of those, there were a lot of dedicated Sherlock Holmes ebook apps available. It was like everyone in the world had suddenly decided in unison that they need ebooks in their life and those ebooks gonna be Sherlock Holmes.

It feels exactly like that with the emergence of the AI and Seinfeld now.

 

[chaz4hockey]

Came across this web page on Wells Fargo Philly improvements. Dundon's plan has similarities but perhaps is not as comprehensive as Philly's.

The New Wells Fargo Center

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www.wellsfargocenterphilly.com