blitzkriegs
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3yr @ 3mil is fair
I don't think 'fair' is part of the equation - it's the comparables.
...and his agent is looking right at this one as the high water mark: Dubnyk got 6/$26M.
3yr @ 3mil is fair
I don't think 'fair' is part of the equation - it's the comparables.
...and his agent is looking right at this one as the high water mark: Dubnyk got 6/$26M.
I don't think 'fair' is part of the equation - it's the comparables.
...and his agent is looking right at this one as the high water mark: Dubnyk got 6/$26M.
And if that's the ask, I say thank you for your service.
I'm figuring he is offered something similar to Halak's deal... 4.5 x 4 years. Still allows an ELC goalie (Sorokin) to platoon and maybe win the starters position in 4 years.
I still feel Halak is moved at the TDL to a team on the wildcard cusp... Calgary or Winnipeg come to mind. They both have room on the roster for next year too.
I don't think 'fair' is part of the equation - it's the comparables.
...and his agent is looking right at this one as the high water mark: Dubnyk got 6/$26M.
Halak's was a bad deal. Why repeat it?
You don't give 4 year contracts to goalies (especially 31 year old goalies), and you don't pay them $4.5M, because you don't have to.
Halak's was a bad deal. Why repeat it?
You don't give 4 year contracts to goalies (especially 31 year old goalies), and you don't pay them $4.5M, because you don't have to.
You don't have to pay them $4.5M? Says who?
20 goalies make that much this year. The 15th highest paid goalie (or roughly average starter) makes $5.67M.
I think we may be able to sign Greiss for $3.5-4M if we do it soon. As far as I can tell, he has made under $7M for his career. He has never really had a big pay day in his career, so signing now in the $15M range and not risking his value going down due to bad play or injury would have some appeal to him.
If we choose not to sign him now for whatever reason, or can't, who do we get in the offseason for less than $4.5M? Ondres Pavelec? Steve Mason? Some other goaltender that is only cheap because they aren't good?
Like it or not, if you want a starting goaltender, you have to either sign them before they prove their value or pay. Those are the only two options.
Halak was, is and will be injury prone and inconsistent.
Greiss, is still a bit of an unknown, but he has been consistent for two years and is not injury prone.
I'm not advocating any number of years or cost for Greiss, clearly the Isles should try to get him for as cheap as possible.
But I do disagree with the notion that Goalie that can put up similar results to Griess will be easily plucked for cheap this offseason.
You run the risk into painting yourself into a corner ala:
Stamkos-> Nielsen-> Ladd.
I'll take Griess over hoping for someone like: Neurvirth, Mason, Lehrner, Elliott, Bernier to fit in as well.
Certainly, not going to get Bishop or Miller as cheap nor can you predict how well they can maintain their ability... which already may be in decline.
Greiss is 28.
EDIT: But if you insist on trying to find lightning in a bottle... Maybe, Scott Darling on Chicago. As a U of Maine alum Isles migh have an inside track.
Halak was, is and will be injury prone and inconsistent.
Greiss, is still a bit of an unknown, but he has been consistent for two years and is not injury prone.
I'm not advocating any number of years or cost for Greiss, clearly the Isles should try to get him for as cheap as possible.
But I do disagree with the notion that Goalie that can put up similar results to Griess will be easily plucked for cheap this offseason.
You run the risk into painting yourself into a corner ala:
Stamkos-> Nielsen-> Ladd.
I'll take Griess over hoping for someone like: Neurvirth, Mason, Lehrner, Elliott, Bernier to fit in as well.
Certainly, not going to get Bishop or Miller as cheap nor can you predict how well they can maintain their ability... which already may be in decline.
Greiss is 28.
EDIT: But if you insist on trying to find lightning in a bottle... Maybe, Scott Darling on Chicago. As a U of Maine alum Isles migh have an inside track.
Berube.
So the plan will be for Berube to be the starter?
Starter should be a thing of the past, see Price, Quick, ..., who also get long term contracts and are expensive. But if they are injured you lost.
Much better is to have 2 good backups who can play 41 games each. No need to pay for the ability to play starter workloads (every 2nd day). Those guys are much cheaper and easier to get because there are only 31 teams.
Besides Greiss there are others who perform good this season, Nilsson, Kinkaid, McElhinney, Grubauer, Darling, Raanta and there are others who just didn't get good opportunities but who were great last season.
Nilsson would be so good to have in a tandem, not expensive, then money could be spend elsewhere.
Also need to play Berube now to see what he can do.
Never fall in love with a goalie, keep it to 2 year contracts and take advantage of the market. It should be possible to have 2 good goalies for 4M together and less than that. It's also needed to have a good goalie in Bridgeport if something happens. I love Greiss, wish he would stay, but need to keep an eye on cap hits, that's why it was important to get rid of Halak who can't play starter workloads but gets paid like a starter.
And many of those 20 goalies have regrettable contracts that in hindsight the teams would rather not have done. If you can't sign Greiss low enough, you roll with Berube. There's a reason they kept him all along.
I'm figuring he is offered something similar to Halak's deal... 4.5 x 4 years. Still allows an ELC goalie (Sorokin) to platoon and maybe win the starters position in 4 years.
I still feel Halak is moved at the TDL to a team on the wildcard cusp... Calgary or Winnipeg come to mind. They both have room on the roster for next year too.
Plus, you have to consider the league w/PAs permission has condensed the schedule and a lot of top players are playing a lot of non-NHL games eventually impacting their NHL team.
Sounds great in theory, but what playoff teams have successfully executed this plan or rolling out goalies, not giving term, and bringing in a new one to only pay $4M annually in cap hit?
Starter should be a thing of the past, see Price, Quick, ..., who also get long term contracts and are expensive. But if they are injured you lost.
Much better is to have 2 good backups who can play 41 games each. No need to pay for the ability to play starter workloads (every 2nd day). Those guys are much cheaper and easier to get because there are only 31 teams.
Besides Greiss there are others who perform good this season, Nilsson, Kinkaid, McElhinney, Grubauer, Darling, Raanta and there are others who just didn't get good opportunities but who were great last season.
Nilsson would be so good to have in a tandem, not expensive, then money could be spend elsewhere.
Also need to play Berube now to see what he can do.
Never fall in love with a goalie, keep it to 2 year contracts and take advantage of the market. It should be possible to have 2 good goalies for 4M together and less than that. It's also needed to have a good goalie in Bridgeport if something happens. I love Greiss, wish he would stay, but need to keep an eye on cap hits, that's why it was important to get rid of Halak who can't play starter workloads but gets paid like a starter.
So the plan will be for Berube to be the starter? Despite playing a dozen or so games in two years?
Ok then, you've made your point clearly and I respectfully disagree. I feel it is to great a risk, especially in John Tavares' final year.
Everyone of the goalies you mentioned has had periods of atrocious play. This year you can point to your examples as success as much as point to the following as failures: Lack, Gusstavson, Enroth, Elliott, Allen. And again, all of those goalies at one point looked promising.
But the point I originally wanted to convey is getting lost in addressing specific posts. What Greiss has done is being under appreciated and it's a mistake to expect to just plug someone in his place and gain the same results.
I'm not saying Berube should be the starter. Just saying that's a better choice than overpaying Greiss.