Speculation: This is Ken Holland's Last Season as GM

[Winger98]

So wait... is this supposed to be a "he's so motivated by money that he's cutting salary" or "he wants to win so he's greenlighting a rebuild that will cut into profits because people will start staying away when the team sucks". I feel like that's an important distinction.

I think it's a combination of MLB's new luxury tax policy and the Tigers' window was clearly shut. It would be dumb to hang onto a bunch of high priced talent when the minor league teams were devoid of talent and they weren't going to contend for the playoffs anyway.

 

[jkutswings]

How much did the team get from Detroit for the LCA again?

1) The job of the GM is to build a roster, not negotiate a new arena deal.

2) The cash influx you speak of is being rapidly transformed from the great start to a long-term infusion, to a large yet brief surge, followed by fewer and fewer people attending games. If the bloom is already starting to fall off the rose in only two months, 'the arena effect' won't last more than a single season.

So yeah, due to people not named Ken Holland, short term value of the team have skyrocketed. That doesn't change his last several mediocre years as GM.

 

[jkutswings]

It would be dumb to hang onto a bunch of high priced talent when the minor league teams were devoid of talent and they weren't going to contend for the playoffs anyway.

Still waiting for that wisdom to reach his hockey club.

 

[WingedWheel1987]

How much did the team get from Detroit for the LCA again?

How's that 30% drop in TV ratings, a year away from their current TV deal expiring?

What a complete garbage argument to support complete incompetence.

 

[Frk It]

Not sure how well connected Kulfan is, but saw this the other day:

Holland’s contract runs out after this season. There has been no talk of extensions, new contract, etc.

I don’t think it would be shocking to see Holland either bumped into a vice-president’s role — or maybe he decides to take some time off until the expansion team in Seattle is finalized.

Holland has a summer residence in western Canada. He enjoys the area there. It would seem to be a great fit.

Red Wings mailbag: Fans’ patience runs out for Holland

 

[SpookyTsuki]

Be interesting to see what happens then. Who follows holland?

 

[Henkka]

Be interesting to see what happens then. Who follows holland?

Typical HF Boards answer would be "something even worse".

 

[Frk It]

Be interesting to see what happens then. Who follows holland?

Hopefully it's an outsider, is all I can say. Still think we should have jumped on Shero, he's doing a good job in NJ so far.

 

[SpookyTsuki]

Typical HF Boards answer would be "something even worse".

I feel like a lot of people would follow him which is a good thing

 

[SpookyTsuki]

Hopefully it's an outsider, is all I can say. Still think we should have jumped on Shero, he's doing a good job in NJ so far.

Not saying who should replace. Saying who would go with him to Seattle? Hopefully martin

 

[Frk It]

Not saying who should replace. Saying who would go with him to Seattle? Hopefully martin

Please. "Cap expert" my ass...

 

[Henkka]

Hopefully it's an outsider, is all I can say. Still think we should have jumped on Shero, he's doing a good job in NJ so far.

Of course we should have signed someone who signed elsewhere and old GM was still committed under contract.

Should also have signed Stamkos at summer. Should draft better. Should have signed Suter.

SHOULD HAVE!

Instead of "should haves" I'd like to see real answers and suggestions. Who are available at next summer if Holland is not extended?

Something realistic and not "should haves". What are our options?

 

[Frk It]

Of course we should have signed someone who signed elsewhere and old GM was still committed under contract.

Should also have signed Stamkos at summer. Should have signed Suter.

SHOULD HAVE!

????????

I meant when he was available. He was available between PIT and NJ, you know. For like a full year.

 

[SpookyTsuki]

Please. "Cap expert" my ass...

I think wright would as well, which may be a good thing. But if he does good this draft he may be a good scout so that would suck

 

[Henkka]

????????

I meant when he was available. He was available between PIT and NJ, you know. For like a full year.

So I it would have been some kind of double-GM vacancy?

 

[Frk It]

So I it would have been some kind of double-GM vacancy?

I don't even know what you're saying, he was unemployed from May 2014 to May 2015. But if you want to talk about the present, that's fine with me.

Possible candidates for replacment GM- Paul Fenton (NSH), Kyle Dubas or Mark Hunter (TOR), Martin Madden (ANA), Chris Pryor (PHI), Bill Armstrong (STL)... maybe Lombardi (LAK)? I don't know he was real hit or miss there.

 

[Run the Jewels]

Dubas or Hunter would be interesting given their connections in the OHL. Fenton is a name that gets thrown around a lot. Too bad we missed the boat on Botteril, he's had a really nice track record as a scout. I don't have much interest in Lombardi, he's getting up there and signed a couple of bad Holland-esque contracts. The odds the new GM will have a better overall career than Holland are incredibly low. It will simply be nice to feel like there is the potential of finally moving from the listless direction, awful cap management and poor drafting record we've had for a very long time.

 

[jkutswings]

Not sure how well connected Kulfan is, but saw this the other day:



Red Wings mailbag: Fans’ patience runs out for Holland

■ Q. The fans can use a break from Holland. He assembled this collection of overpaid stiffs. — Bob Stockel Jr. (via email)
■ A. To Holland’s credit, the Jonathan Ericsson deal (two years left, $4.25 million) doesn’t look as bad with Ericsson healthy and playing better hockey.
Before suffering a hand injury, Luke Glendening’s contract looked manageable (three years, $1.8 million)

So the response to a pile of bad contracts is...there are also two or three that aren't so bad?

and where would the Red Wings have been the last two seasons without goaltender Jimmy Howard (one year left, $5.2 million)?

Getting higher draft picks. He makes it sound like the Red Wings did anything worth mentioning WITH Howard.


Oh well. At least the media is writing about the mess, instead of just fluff pieces.

 

[WingedWheel1987]

I really want to believe this is his last year, but it makes no sense that the Wings haven't even announced his replacement yet, which will almost certainly be someone from within the organization. I suspect Chris Ilitch will ask him if he wants an extension when the season ends and then go from there.

I personally think he is coming back, so I ordered 700 boxes of Forget-Me-Now's ahead of time.

 

[TatarTangle]

I really want to believe this is his last year, but it makes no sense that the Wings haven't even announced his replacement yet, which will almost certainly be someone from within the organization. I suspect Chris Ilitch will ask him if he wants an extension when the season ends and then go from there.

I personally think he is coming back, so I ordered 700 boxes of Forget-Me-Now's ahead of time.

I'd be willing to bet both Holland and Blashill are back because it's all part of "the process."

 

[Winger98]

Be interesting to see what happens then. Who follows holland?

I'd still bet on Martin or Wright.

 

[Beltv]

I'd still bet on Martin or Wright.

I always thought Draper was being groomed for the job.

 

[kliq]

I think Holland will be back, unless he chooses to step down. Blashill I think is a goner.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

Be interesting to see what happens then. Who follows holland?

Hopefully the most qualified candidate available at the time and not just someone who has paid their dues within the organization.

 

[Henkka]

I think Holland will be back, unless he chooses to step down. Blashill I think is a goner.

I hope Blashill is the next GM. There has to somebody to blaim on next poor years before a new raise back to success.