Speculation: The Official Horrible Trade Proposals Thread: Part 2, Have a Drink

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Klefbom for Skinner would be like Waddell going to Benning and being like "I feel bad for you doing the Hall for Larsson trade so here's Skinner for Klefbom, buddy!"

Obviously I don't think Skinner is as good as Hall but I just don't think Klefbom is that good, especially if we're trading Skinner for him.

Poor Benning, guy can’t catch a break.

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

Kapanen turns 22 this summer. For a forward that age to still be playing half-seasons in the AHL, with a career NHL line of 8-2-10 in 55 games, very very very very very strongly suggests he will never become anything close to a Jeff Skinner.

Yet most leafs fans still don’t get it.

 

[Svechhammer]

Yet most leafs fans still don’t get it.

Welcome to HFBoards. Did you remember to pick up your complimentary pen on the way in?

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Welcome to HFBoards. Did you remember to pick up your complimentary pen on the way in?

That’s what we’re discussing - the Leafs picking up their complimentary Pen in the Kessel trade.

 

[tarheelhockey]

To flesh out that prior post, in the past 20 years there have been about 70 forwards with a similar GP/Pts profile to Kapanen's, up to age 21.

The very best in that group include Loui Eriksson, Derek Roy, Antoine Vermette, and Reilly Smith.

The others who had substantial (400+ game) careers are Dan Cleary, Casey Cizikas, Fredrik Sjostrom, Tyler Kennedy, Blake Comeau, Todd Fedoruk, Chris Stewart, Nazem Kadri, Maxime Talbot, Max Lapierre, Sean Bergenheim, Darcy Hordichuk, Cody McCormick, Devin Setoguchi, Matt Calvert, Boyd Gordon, Arron Asham, and Dave Bolland.

The other 2/3rds of that group includes familiar names like Zach Boychuk, Patrick O'Sullivan and Andrei Loktionov, guys who came and went without leaving any substantial mark on the league.

Even assuming Kapanen (by pure virtue of being a Maple Leafs 1st-round pick) is going to be in the upper 1/3rd of that group, the overwhelming likelihood is that he's going to be a guy you barely notice. Only if you absolutely hit the jackpot do you get a player that's on a Faulk-like level.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Kadri belongs in the “very best” group not the second group.

Otherwise good post.

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

Welcome to HFBoards. Did you remember to pick up your complimentary pen on the way in?

Been here a dozen years but thanks for the welcome.

 

[A Star is Burns]

Not that it changes much, but Kapanen wasn't a Leafs pick

 

[Svechhammer]

Been here a dozen years but thanks for the welcome.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Not that it changes much, but Kapanen wasn't a Leafs pick

Basically just a point about draft pedigree + big market, which are the two most surefire signs of an overrated prospect.

If he were a 3rd round pick who was traded to Dallas, nobody but Stars fans would remember he existed.

 

[Lempo]

Not that it changes much, but Kapanen wasn't a Leafs pick

Kap was a Pens-picked Pen so Leafs would be left with Kap's kap so Pen's cap would't fill in the Phil trade, is what you're saying? Leafs would rather have left Kap's cap in the Pitt's pit?

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Kapanen is a former 1st round pick with a notable last name, the centerpiece in a trade for a star player, part of the prospect pool of the biggest market in the NHL and the best forward prospect that the aforementioned organization has. He even has a marquee WJC performance, okay goal, to boot.

I'm surprised he isn't hyped more than he is, tbh.

 

[DaveG]

Kapanen is a former 1st round pick with a notable last name, the centerpiece in a trade for a star player, part of the prospect pool of the biggest market in the NHL and the best forward prospect that the aforementioned organization has. He even has a marquee WJC performance, okay goal, to boot.

I'm surprised he isn't hyped more than he is, tbh.

Just proves that he's simply a fairly meh prospect. See little difference between him and Zach Boychuk.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Per the post above, I see Kapanen as:

5% chance of Reilly Smith
25% chance of Devin Setoguchi
70% chance of Zach Boychuk

Am I trading anything significant for a shot at that guy? Hell no.

 

[Joe McGrath]

Just proves that he's simply a fairly meh prospect. See little difference between him and Zach Boychuk.

He can absolutely fly though so I think his floor is higher than a non-factor like Boychuck. Certainly not an A list prospect by any means though.

 

[Svechhammer]

Cmon now, we should be thanking everyone to even be graced with an offer of 25OA for Hanifin, and to have Kap included is just a huge overpayment

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

Ok.

 

[Canes]

Poor Benning, guy can’t catch a break.

I get Benning and Chiarelli mixed up all the time. Two former bozos of Boston.

 

[Svechhammer]

Here'e a new one...

Toronto is going to offer sheet us on Hanifin and we're going to let him walk because our owner who is looking to sell needs a core of young assets to weather the fiscal storm.

 

[SlavinAway]

Here'e a new one...

Toronto is going to offer sheet us on Hanifin and we're going to let him walk because our owner who is looking to sell needs a core of young assets to weather the fiscal storm.

Haha. Where did you see this?

 

[Svechhammer]

Haha. Where did you see this?

Kapanen thread on the Trade board

 

[GoldiFox]

Actually an offer sheet for Hanifin could make a lot of sense for a team.

Let’s say a team like Boston offers Hanifin 5 years x $6 million. Only costs them a 1st + 3rd. They can go up to $8.1 million x 5 years by adding a 2nd. Or similarly offer $5.8 million x 7 years and only pay 1st + 2nd + 3rd.

Do the Canes match $5.8 million x 7 years? Seems like a Cup-level team might jump on that for the cost of only a 1st + 2nd + 3rd. While we don’t know exactly how the Canes feel about Hanifin.

The Canes best asset in this hypothetical might be Hanifin’s pride. Teams might be willing to offer that and the Canes might not be willing to match, but it has been documented that Hanifin considers himself a future #1 so he may hold out for more. Conversely he might be happy to go sign a long OS with a Cup contender to be in a better place to shine.

 

[Canes]

Cap teams going around offer sheeting players is a dangerous game to play, especially when those teams have some pretty good young players to lock up themselves in the future.

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

Friedman now saying Vancouver is in on Hanifin. Brace yourself for all the 7th overall for Hanifin offers.

 

[Brock Anton]

Friedman now saying Vancouver is in on Hanifin. Brace yourself for all the 7th overall for Hanifin offers.

Tanev + 2nd offers, you mean.