The curious case of Jake Muzzin

lexlavender

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I'm not a Muzzin hater, but the fact that he's the clear #1 dman in the league according to corsi should tell you how misleading a corsi stat can be. :shakehead

It does not make sense to me that Corsi isn't a valuable stat to evaluate defensemen. A defensmen's number one job is to limit scoring chances, and so why would having a high Corsi percentage not correlate with doing your job.

For the case of generally considered top tier d men having lowish corsi percentages, one might argue that they limit quality scoring chances, but give up alot of shots, which would still make them good d men, but not be reflected in corsi.

However, Corsi tracks everything that could be considered a potential scoring opportunity, so having a high corsi percentage (and a low corsi for stat) means that you are limiting ALL shots, which would conceivably include high quality scoring chances. This, over a large sample size, seems like the better stat to have, a complete an utter smothering of the opposing teams offense.

Just my understanding on that, if you have another explanation, please enlighten me. I started this thread mostly to try to further my understanding on these stats.

Someone mentioned O-zone starts being a factor, and that could be a good explanation of Muzzin's stats; he definitely starts in the O-zone most and d-zone least.
 

Muzzinga

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I'm not a Muzzin hater, but the fact that he's the clear #1 dman in the league according to corsi should tell you how misleading a corsi stat can be. :shakehead

as with every stat in everything in the history of stats. There are anomalies when dealing with tiny sample sizes
 

KINGS17

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Tom Preissing? Did they even have Corsi back then?

He had a great +/- one season though.

Muzzin is playing a lot better. The Corsi stats reflect some of that. He doesn't suck and is starting to play big minutes. 26:45 against Anaheim, second only to Doughty. If you want to know what Sutter thinks of Muzzin's play in any given game check his ice time.
 

KINGS17

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Amart Pixie Dust was in effect to a sparkling record of 14-2-3 so far this season.

...and what's the record with Muzzin in the lineup?

The team has a record of 18-7-4, so it can't be bad.

Another quick question, what is the Kings' record since Muzzin was paired with Doughty?
 

MynameisKing

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...and what's the record with Muzzin in the lineup?

The team has a record of 18-7-4, so it can't be bad.

Another quick question, what is the Kings' record since Muzzin was paired with Doughty?

Muzzin was involved in every King's loss except 1 game. How's that for slanting a stat to emphasize a negative?

Edit: To answer the question completely the Kings are 14-6-4 with Muzzin in the line up. Which game did he start getting paired up with Doughty?
 
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KINGS17

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Muzzin was involved in every King's loss except 1 game. How's that for slanting a stat to emphasize a negative?

Edit: To answer the question completely the Kings are 14-6-4 with Muzzin in the line up. Which game did he start getting paired up with Doughty?

I can't say with 100% confidence, but I believe it was around 10 games ago. Kings are 6-1-3 during that span. Opponents had not scored a goal 5-on-5 against the two of them until a couple of games ago, I believe.
 

Muzzinga

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Been trying to find data from back then but seems difficult to, but there was data showing how he was more than just a competent defenseman, until he came to the Kings.

But for those curious, enjoy these Corsi numbers from 2007-08:
http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/rat...00&teamid=14&type=corsi&sort=F20&sortdir=DESC

http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/rat...00&teamid=14&type=corsi&sort=PCT&sortdir=DESC

easier to order them like that

Looks live we gave up on Harrold too early!
 

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